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Are Tomlinson and Sproles going to share the load?

2006

“Michael [Turner] has a role and his role has expanded over the last couple of years and will continue to expand,” head coach Marty Schottenheimer said. “We've talked about certain situations where we would have both he and LT in the game at the same time. So he'll earn his letter.”

Schottenheimer, August 2006

2007

“It's another weapon [Michael Turner] for Norv to work with,” Smith said. “We've got two of the best backs in the NFL. With Norv's offensive creativity, he's got a lot of plans in his head to use those two.”

AJ Smith, May 2007

2009

[Norv] Turner doesn't believe LaDainian Tomlinson necessarily needs a caddie, but he thinks slightly expanding Darren Sproles' role will help the future Hall of Famer.

“If you talk about being around the great backs, they're at their comfort level when they get 22, 23, 25 carries,” Turner said Tuesday at the NFL owners'meetings. “(Tomlinson) had (a career-low 292) carries last season. I'd expect him to have more. I'd expect him to be in the 320s. That's what he does. He can handle it, and he'll be prepared to handle it.

“We have a luxury. We have a very good player in Darren Sproles. When it fits, we're going to use Darren. Over an entire season I think he can help LT carry that load.”

Norv Turner, March 24, 2009

When I read the most recent article in the UT, I thought to myself, "I've heard this song and dance before."  Every year they talk about LT sharing the load, and it never happens.  What are the odds of it actually happening this year between LT and his $6.6M cohort Sproles?  I decided to look at the stats and prove how full of it the coaches and GM are when it comes to actually reigning in LT.

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I found an interesting thing

Year Back Carries Team Carries % of total carries Catches Team Catches % of Offense
2005 LT 339 443 77% 51 338 50%
2006 LT 348 468 74% 56 287 54%
2006 Turner 80 468 17% 3 287 11%
2006 LoNeal 29 468 6% 17 287 6%
2007 LT 315 445 71% 60 281 52%
2007 Turner 71 445 16% 4 281 10%
2007 Sproles 37 445 8% 10 281 6%
2007 LoNeal 13 445 3% 8 281 3%
2008 LT 292 390 75% 52 312 49%
2008 Sproles 61 390 16% 29 312 13%

LT's carries as a percent of the total carries on offense did drop from 2005 to 2006 to 2007.  His total touches as a percentage of the offense's total touches dropped form 2006 to 2007.  He was a bigger part of the running game last year (but had fewer overall carries) while being a smaller part of the offense all together, since we seemed to have transitioned to more of a passing Rivers led offense.  The stats seem to indicate that the coaches did manage to split LTs workload up a bit.  Not dramatically, but no one really wanted that anyways.

So, what does that mean for 2009?  Will the stats look more like 2007?  Let's assume no additions to the RB mix via the draft.  I think Norv's comment that he would like to see LT at 320 carries and more out of Sproles seems unlikely.  I just don't think there are going to be that many carries to go around.  If LT gets 320 carries and Sproles increases his workload to around 100 (what the backup combos got in previous years), that gives us 420 carries between the two.  Mix in some FB carries, end arounds, QB sneaks/draws and I think we're up to where we were in LT's heyday of around 460 carries for the team and I'm not sure we're that type of offense anymore.

It would not surprise me to see LT around 290 carries again this year.  I think Sproles gets to 80 or 90.  I think LT and Sproles catch 100 balls between them.  I'd love to see them in the backfield at the same time, but that is one thing we never consistently saw with LT and Turner, even though it seemed to work every time they did it.

One thing I'm not factoring in is whether Sproles big contract influences the amount of touches he gets.  Until this year, LT was also the leader in pay grade for the RBs, even in Turner's tender year, LT was making 3 times more than him.

Of course, injuries, a Sproles trade, drafting an RB might throw a kink in my predictions, but I do believe we're looking at total team carries in the low 400s rather than the mid to high 400s of a few years ago.

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Some of those numbers don't seem right

The % of offense thing I can’t reproduce. It’s not % of the team yards by the player or % or the team carries+catches. The team catches number seems way off (338, 287, 281, 312 were the actual totals from 2005-2008).

As for the prediction on team carries. It all depends on how the team performs. If they jump out to leads to start the game the running game will be used more. If they fall more than two scores behind like they were doing in 2008, then offense will take to the air.

And as far as the coach trying to determine workloads. It shouldn’t be about number of carries or sharing the workload, it should be about the health of the players. LT needs to be healthy for the end of season/playoffs. Sproles should be used to limit LT’s exposure and should also be used more if/when LT gets his first ding of the here. One of the worst things the Chargers coaching staff did in 2008 was to let LT get his touches while battling the toe injury especially if consider how well Sproles can be employed against certain defenses (see: Colts playoff game). So, bottom line, if LT is healthy for the playoffs and the Chargers are in them then that % of carries was the correct one.

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by Wonko on Mar 25, 2009 12:49 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with everything here

Personally, I think the way to get the most out of LT (both in terms of quality and duration) is to give him closer to 200 carries per year. As I’ve shown over and over, LT has taken more of a pounding (by having the most carries) of any current RB and that’s why in the past few years he can’t seem to stay healthy for more than a couple of games at a time. His ankles, his feet, his hips, groin, etc. have all taken a toll and need to have their workload reduced to get him back to feeling healthy and fresh.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 25, 2009 4:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

stats off

yup, I added up the wrong column… I corrected it above, surprisingly, the conclusions are the same. :-)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 25, 2009 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like Norv's comments from yesterday

Everyone who watched the games last year, and saw LT on the sidelines at the end of the past two seasons, knows that he needs less carries to get healthy. Norv seems to think the cure is MORE carries.

Looking at those comments, I’m expecting the same thing we got this past year. LT getting roughly 20 carries per game, fighting through nagging injuries and putting out a 3.8 yards per carry average. I know he had issues with his toe and then his groin, but I watched all 18 games in their entirety last year and never once did I see LT utilize those jukes and quickness that make him different from other RBs. I saw a veteran RB picking up OK average with his experience, vision and guile. He read the line, he found the hole and he basically fell forward through it.

I love LT, but at 320 carries he’s going to be fighting the same injuries he’s been fighting for the last few seasons. In summary, he’s not going to be dynamic. And from Norv’s comments it certainly doesn’t sound like Sproles is going to play a bigger part of the offense than he played in 2008.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 25, 2009 5:25 AM PDT reply actions  

One thing I’m not factoring in is whether Sproles big contract influences the amount of touches he gets.

I think so. My guess is you will see Sproles much more against smaller 4-3 defenses and LT more against the better 3-4 run defenses. Sproles had terrific games against teams like the Broncos and Colts; but just got hammered by the Steelers.

Great post.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 25, 2009 8:05 AM PDT reply actions  

In space

Both LT and Sproles are great in space, although LT does not run away from people anymore. I bet if he ran the 40 now, he’d be 4.6. But with the predictability of Norv’s “offensive genius” of 20 years ago run plays and average blocking, that didn’t happen much. I like the post — it really has been talked about every year but never happens. I feel the offense got into funks exactly because LT (with Norv obliging) demanded his requisite number of carries even when they went for 2 yards or less.

I’d wish people would just acknowledge LT is not an inside runner anymore (Sproles is actually tougher but not a legit solution as Pitt showed) and get someone else. 13 million for two third down backs seems like overpaying. Maybe its just me but I don’t see Norv overhauling the playbook which I visualize as the same as Aikman and Emmitt had except with big lightning bolt sticker place over the big star on the binder.

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by bringbackbuddytrees on Apr 7, 2009 10:00 PM PDT reply actions  

what’s up guys? i am a bills fan but i really like the chargers too. i am glad they kept LT. i hope they get a good wr in the draft. i thought maybe they shouldve gone after torry holt. either way, i am expecting the chargers to have a solid year from start to finish this upcoming year.

by chaucer on Apr 23, 2009 5:50 PM PDT reply actions  

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