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Taking a Peek at the Chargers in 2010

I know its 2009 and the team has plenty of holes to fill this offseason but next offseason will be an important one for the Chargers.  With the prospect of teams not having salary cap to deal with and the Chargers at somewhat of a financial disadvantage by having an out dated stadium that lacks revenue streams from luxury boxes as well as other amenities the Chargers are going to have to try and re-sign or replace seven of their best players.   Assuming there is a CBA in place, after this season Phillip Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Marcus McNeill, Vincent Jackson, Chris Chambers, Kassim Osgood, and Brandon Manumaleuna will all be free agents along with Tim Dobbins and Charlie Whitehurst.

I think it is pretty clear that Dobbins and Whitehurst will probably have to find new homes after the 2009 season, both can probably be replaced on the cheap by late round draft picks or in house options.  The real question is who of the big seven will the Chargers try and replace and who will they try to re-sign?    

Phillip Rivers - I think Rivers is probably a lock to re-sign with the team, franchise QB’s don’t grow on trees so when you have one you don’t let them slip away (unless you are the Broncos).  I think the Chargers will get a deal done with rivers before the start of the 2009 season.

Shawne Merriman  - I also think Merriman is a lock to re-sign, last offseason it sounded like the Chargers were flirting with the idea of trading him this off season or just letting him walk when his contract expires but as we all saw last season the defense is just not the same without him.  If the Chargers want to remain one of the top teams in the AFC I think they will have to get a deal done with Merriman.

Marcus McNeill – I think that re-signing McNeill hinges on a few factors: 1.) Who the Chargers use their first round pick on in the 2009 Draft, if one of the big four tackles in this years draft falls to the Chargers at number 16 then I think it will give the bolts a little bit of breathing room in negotiating with McNeill.  2.) 2009 performances, if McNeill is healthy and returns to his rookie form then I think he will be a lock to be re-signed, like franchise QB’s franchise LT’s don’t grow on trees and when you have a good one you don’t let them get away.  3.) How much the team has to spend on Rivers and Merriman, If the team has to give up the farm to re-sign their two best players then I’m not sure how much money will be left for McNeill.

Vincent Jackson – Jackson is a tough one he has definitely grown a lot in the past four seasons and has shown flashes of being one of the best wideouts in the NFL but he still remains rather inconsistent and has had off the field issues.  I also think that Jackson will want top dollar and will play the market to try and get it, all and all I just see too many issues surrounding a contract extension and the Chargers have too much depth at his position to want to deal with it so don’t think we will see Jackson wearing blue and gold in 2010.   I also think that if Jackson has another strong year in 2009 the chargers will use their franchise tag on him (if they don’t have to use it on McNeill or Merriman) and try to trade him for draft picks.

Chris Chambers – Chambers still seems like he can be a very productive WR in the NFL and provides the team with great veteran leadership but for some reason he seemed to disappear towards the end of last season and I’m really not sure why.   Unless Chambers has a big year this season I don’t think he will have outrageous contract demands and I think he will work out a moderate 2 year deal with the club and retire in our beautiful city.

Kassim Osgood – Kassim is not happy with his role with the Chargers and is counting down the days until he is free to pursue other opportunities.  If Kassim is not traded this offseason then I certainly think 2009 will be his last year in San Diego.

Brandon Manumaleuna – Manumaleuna has definitely proven himself as an important role player on this team.  I don’t think he will demand crazy money and I actually think they will get a contract extension done before the beginning of the 09 season but then again who knows is he thinks he can be a starting TE somewhere.

Well there you have it of the big seven I think at least four and probably five will be with the bolts in 2010 and beyond.  In the next couple of weeks I will start to take a look at what it will take to sign these guys and try to see where it will put the Chargers financially.

 

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Changes in Free Agent Status due to the expiring CBA

If nothing is done about renewing the CBA and next year is the “Final League year”, the requirements for becoming an unrestricted free agent change from 4 years to 6 years. I know this means that Merriman, Jackson, and McNeil (and whitehurst and dobbins) will be restricted free agents. So if we give them the old “first and third round tender” (one year offer that other teams can match, but we get their 1st and 3rd round picks), we can essentially lock them up for one more year (or get real good draft picks in return).

At this time, it is anyone’s guess as to whether the CBA will be re-upped. I’m guessing that it will and your analysis is right on. But there is a chance it won’t, and then our 2010 off-season options increase.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 19, 2009 7:53 AM PDT reply actions  

hmmm didnt know that about the CBA

I don’t think a first round tender will be able keep Merriman as a Charger, also if McNeill returns to pro-bowl form I think some teams would be willing to give up their first round draft pick to get a proven Pro-bowl LT.

by Grey Suit on Mar 19, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

1st and 3rd

but you’re probably still correct. The team also has to have a 1st and 3rd available.

there was a fanpost a few days ago that gave a good summary of the changes here about half way down.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 19, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

LoL you know I even read that article and it still didn't register in my brain

I updated the article to say that this is all under the assumption that a CBA is in place

by Grey Suit on Mar 19, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t like the idea of losing either, but how great would it be to have three first and three third rounders.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 19, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe not for 2010

But those would be some awesome building blocks for the rest of the decade.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 19, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great job, Grey Suit....

However, I must voice my disagreements:

VJ and Chambers: I’m thinking backwards from you. Yes VJ is going to want number 1 WR money because he is our number 1 receiver. His off-the-field issues will keep him from getting top dollar, but he’ll still get paid well. I believe it’ll be the Charger paying him, mostly because we have no other option unless we want to completely rebuild our WRs again. After watching Chambers last year, I think he’s cooked. His body has taken too much of a pounding and he knows it. He also no longer has the footspeed to be a deep threat. He’s turned into a crafty veteran receiver (ala McCardell) and probably not someone we’re going to keep around much longer. In 2010 I expect our receiving corps to be VJ, Floyd with a rookie or Naanee as the slot receiver.

Manumaleuna: He was picked up when we were a run-heavy offense. Now that we’re more of a pass-heavy offense there’s going to be a greater demand for him by other teams (like the Ravens or Titans) than there will be by the Chargers. We’ll let him go.

Osgood: He’s going to end up back with San Diego most likely. He wants to leave to become a WR somewhere else, but outside of his time at SDSU he has never shown the talent to be a legitimate WR in the NFL. He may get more money to be a special teamer for someone like Detroit or Cincy (who are desperate to be good at one facet of the game), but he’d be dumb to leave San Diego where he has a chance to leave a Steve Tasker/Vince Papale-type legacy.

Rivers/McNeil: It’s time for Rivers to step to the plate. Merriman has always said he’s out to get the most money (then recounts the story of being homeless as a teen). Rivers has said he’d take less money to end up with a better team. I think the team has enough to max out Rivers/Merriman/McNeil, but I might be wrong. Even if they do, Rivers may sign for less money to ensure a better team around him and McNeil might sign for less (even after a good year) because he now has a history of injuries and inconsistency.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 19, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

One thing to add about Osgood

2010 might be a very good opportunity for him to crack the lineup. He’ll have an outside chance at out slot position if I’m right about Chambers leaving and VJ staying. With a history of injuries to Floyd, Osgood could potentially make his way into the starters role. Perhaps he gets a 1-year deal.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 19, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think bridges have been burned with Osgood and the Chargers

Also I think other teams will tell him that he will be able to compete for a starting WR just to get him on their ST.

I do think Rivers will take less money if it means that Merriman and McNeill will get re-signed but who knows once agents and the NFLPA get involved.

by Grey Suit on Mar 19, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dont forget about Buster Davis

I know people are looking at him as a bust but I still think he can be a productive slot receiver and be very valuable on 3rd downs if Sproles gets traded or hold out.

by Grey Suit on Mar 19, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Even if Sproles shows up I think. It took VJ till the end of his third year to break out; Buster just needs to find a way to stay on the field. I see tons of talent in Davis, Floyd and Naanee; Osgood is a lost cause at WR in my opinion.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 19, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

VJ at least showed signs of life

Hell, Naanee has shown signs of life! B.Davis hasn’t shown anything. He hasn’t shown exception speed, hands, route-running or toughness. VJ at least showed speed and toughness. Naanee has shown hands and toughness. I’ve moved into the “poor player until he proves otherwise” column with him.

Osgood would be OK as a “slot” receiver in our offense because we hardly ever use a slot receiver. Usually it’s Gates lining up in the slot. This is another reason Buster hasn’t shown much….he hasn’t gotten much time on the field. I think Osgood being at the slot would give us a distinct height advantage (him, gates, floyd and VJ are all over 6’4"), he has Cromartie-like speed and it would keep him on our special teams. I doubt we’ll ever see it, but I also don’t think it would be horrible. (I should probably note that I was a HUGE Osgood fan at SDSU, so I might be a little bias)

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 19, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

He hasn’t shown exceptional speed, hands, route-running or toughness.

Have you watched the Jets game on your rewind? Granted three catches isn’t much to go on, but they were all converted third down plays and he had another against Miami. I think you might be selling him short. The thing that worries me isn’t his talent but his injury, those groin injuries tend to be nagging.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 19, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crap

You got me. I forgot how huge he was for those three catches. I still say his route-running and speed are suspect and he needs to find a way to get on the field. I am done hoping for him to finally turn into the receiver I want him to be. I’m just counting him for what he’s done so far (next to nothing) and would be happy if he proved me wrong.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 19, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Granted

He has been a huge disappointment so far.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 19, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

then again...

those were three of his four catches last year…

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 19, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

What’s funny is that those are the only catches I really remember him making ever. Yet if I do a Google image search for “buster davis chargers” I see him with the ball in his hands against Jacksonville, New York (Jets), Denver and the Colts. Shows you what short-term memory I have.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 19, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

He scored a touchdown against the Packers in 2007

they showed the clip of him diving at the pylon in the NFL Replay commercials.

by 'Eaters on Mar 19, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

He’s done a reverse or two in his time here. You can still get a ball without catching it ;)

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 19, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much VJ will be able to get

He put 1098 yards last year, but only 59 receptions and only 7 TDs. The year before he was at 623 / 41 / 3. His yardage is OK, but a true #1 would put up 85+ receptions and double digits in TDs. His numbers tell me that he is still a work in progress and can’t really demand #1 money. However, someone might still pay him #1 money.

VJ really only started fulfilling his potential late in the 2007 season. Up until then I spent more time yelling at the TV about how he would never even fight for balls much less win battles for balls. This despite having a distinct height advantage. He has definately gotten better in that regard, but I still see flashes of his old frustrating self.

We may not have any better options on the roster for a #1 guy, but I would avoid paying elite #1 money for a mid-level #1 guy even if he was our best option.

That being said, I still think VJ could be an elite #1 receiver, but I don’t think he has shown that ability consistently enough to pay for it. If he does display it consistently this year, then I will change my tune.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 19, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right but...

VJ’s production depends a lot on what Gates is doing. A good comparison is Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark. In a great year they both stay healthy for 16 games and both get about 80 catches. Wayne stretches the field and creates openings for Clark underneath, Clark keeps the safeties from cheating deep and creates some deep opportunities for Wayne. Both are the focus of the passing offense because they feed off of each other.

So yes, VJ needs to improve his hands and get closer to 80-85 receptions, but it looks like he’s heading in that direction. If we got rid of him and Davis never blossomed, there would be nobody to create a deep threat except Floyd (who has some trouble staying on the field and can’t go over the middle) and our entire passing game would suffer. We’d go back to the days of McCardell/Parker where there was never a catch for more than 20 yards. VJ isn’t the best receiver in the game, but he certainly deserves top 10 WR money (3.5 mil/year).

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 19, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

2008 WR Salaries

You’re right, I was looking at base salaries. Reggie Wayne is still the 10th highest paid WR with a Cap Value of $6,660,000 (seems like an ominous contract figure, no?). What I was saying is that I believe VJ is worth the same money Reggie Wayne gets not just for his numbers but for how he helps Gates (and the running game) by stretching the field.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 19, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Way too early to discuss 2010

My brain’s spinning enough about this year

by matthewverygood on Mar 19, 2009 9:31 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Merriman will not be given a long term deal.

You are right, he is extremely important to the defense, and he may be the best linebacker in the league. But unless something changes (which it could), he will not be given a new, long-term deal.

The reasons are several. First, the contract he will likely demand will be truly gargantuan. Think Haynesworth territory, and then some depending on his 2009 performance. When the team is looking to re-do contracts with players like Rivers, Gates, Jackson, and McNeill, paying Merriman that much money would be crippling.

Second, the team is not convinced that he is fully committed to football. Take his Friday-commentary contract with Fox. The team wasn’t happy that he was going to be running up to LA and back every weekend before the game, especially for away games.

Third, they feel that he wouldn’t necessarily be a great long-term investment. The way he plays, 100% all out on every play, means that he is at great risk for severe and repeated injury. They don’t want to give him a 7-year $100 million contract with $40 million guaranteed and watch him blow his knee out halfway through the first year and never recover fully.

There may be other reasons we don’t know about, but those are the ones that come up most often. Agree with them or disagree, those are some of what the team is considering, and they weigh heavily against them signing him to a new long-term contract.

What the team will do, in all likelihood, is franchise him after he becomes an unrestricted free agent. They may even franchise him two years in a row. There is added incentive to do this because the franchise tag for linebackers is not that expensive, and certainly cheaper than a mega-deal. It has the added benefit of being able to re-evaluate things every year without being boxed in by contract terms. It also gives us another three years of Shawne playing in his prime before he would leave town.

This is where they’ll go with him.

by Zach (maestro876) on Mar 19, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I hate to sound rude, but...

You speak as if you’re A.J. Smith. Why would they re-do Gates contract? Who said the team is not convinced he’s fully committed to football? When/how did they decide he would not be a great long-term investment?

This is where they’ll go with him.

You sound a little too confident for someone who is outside of the team’s front office (I’m assuming) and for something that’s most likely going to be determined greatly by Merriman’s performance in the upcoming season.

I don’t mean to sound harsh, I just don’t want someone to make blankets statements of fact with nothing to support them. It can confuse some people. Can you provide links to stories/articles that support your arguments?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 19, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

maestro is saying what Kevin Acee of the UT has been saying for a year or so. After the defense melted down without Merriman, the line changed from “He will not be back in 2010” to “He will be franchised in 2010”. I’m not sure where Acee gets his info from (hopefully not the same league source who told him Cromartie was going to be traded).

Maestro brings up some good points and I’ll give my takes on them:
1. gargantuan contract – I think Haynesworth is a singular talent much more so than Merriman. There is no one who can impact the game from DT like Haynesworth. I love Meriman and what he brings to the game, but he is more or less interchangable with 3 or 4 other guys in the league (Ware, Peppers, etc.) and probably one guy every 2-3 years in the draft. I don’t think Merriman’s contract will need to be haynesworth-esque. But it will be big, but not necessarily the deal-breaker the haynesworth contract is.

2. Lacks Full commitment – meh. If he shows up on Sundays does it really matter? Would we rather he be driving around town with VJ? If he produces this year, this argument is moot.

3. plays too hard – hee hee. [sarcasm]I’d rather have someone in here who only gives 90% on 50% of the plays and takes the rest off [/sarcasm]. There are plenty of players who play hard every play. Look at Lawrence Taylor. That was his calling card. He lasted long enough to get into the HOF and several superbowls.

I’d give a long term merriman contract a slightly less than 50/50 shot at happening. I think if we franchise him, there is a good chance he holds out. and we either sign him long term or trade him or give him one of those one and done franchise offers.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 19, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

In your points 2 and 3 you’ve mirrored my thoughts, which is that Maestro (and I guess Acee, who I don’t read a lot of anymore) seems to be bringing up points that don’t matter or are completely unproven. For instance, I know that the Giants think that Burress lacks full commitment. I’ve never heard a peep of that from the Chargers about Merriman. I also believe that there’s no such thing as “playing too hard”. Players are complimented all the time for the “high motor” and that’s one of the things I love about Merriman because I think it’s infectious to the other players on the defense.

Owner and agents aren’t stupid. Agents are going to come to the table with huge requests and owners are usually going to lowball. However, some owners (Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder) are morons who would cripple the system with their ridiculous contracts if it weren’t for logical people on other teams. Also, as Wonko pointed out previously, Haynesworth contract looks ridiculous on paper but is definitely back-loaded with money that Haynesworth will never see. When it comes right down to it, I think Merriman will get a deal similar to Haynesworth that looks huge on paper but is really paying him about $8 mil per year (which is number 1 LB money but not astronomical).

It’s good to have a face of the franchise on each side of the ball. LT is being replaced by Rivers as the face of the offense, but the defense has no identity without Merriman. The face becomes the coordinator and screw that. Merriman and a D-line is what you need to make the 3-4 fearsome and keep people in the seats. I like shaynes41 points, but I think it’s more like 80/20 odds that he gets signed to a long-term deal.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Mar 19, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

in fairness to Acee

he did call letting Olshansky go very early in the season, and he is the beat writer so I’m sure he has some information that is not available to the general public.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 19, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

I usually like Acee. AJ did grumble about outside interests at times and Merriman has picked up a couple knee injuries now. I would hope the Chargers would recognize how much the defense deteriorated in Merriman’s absence, but they just aren’t going to be able to keep everyone.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Mar 19, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

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