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Taking a Look at the Charger's Past Drafts

AJ Smith has said he needs to improve his results as the GM on the player personnel front.  A big part of that is the draft.  So I thought I would take a look at all his past drafts as the GM of the Chargers and try and find out how he has been doing on that front.  So I took all the draft picks we had including ones we picked up via trade and ones we traded away and evaluated them. 

The categories are pretty straightforward and they are laid out in a simple "Thermometer of Goodness" scale :-).  Keep in mind that you really can't evaluate a draft for 2 years or so.  I've included the most recent few years just for projection purposes, we can't draw any solid conclusions from them yet.  Also keep in mind that the Chargers really sucked until 2004 or so and pretty much anyone you drafted had a decent chance of starting, not so over the last few years.  Also, I have included the 2001 and 2002 drafts, but they were Butler's (although AJ was his right hand man).

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2008
Rnd. Player Notes Made Team Played occasional starter full time starter pro bowl repeat pro bowl MVP
1(27) Antoine Cason   Y Y Y (nickel)        
2(57)   traded to miami for Chris Chambers              
3(69) Jacob Hester Traded 5th rounder and 2009 2nd rounder to NE to move up Y Y Y        
3(90)   traded in 2007 to move up to pick Weddle              
4(125)   Used in 2007 Supplemental Draft - Oliver              
5(160)   traded to NE to move up to pick Hester              
5(166) Marcus Thomas compensatory pick (Donnie Edwards)              
6(192) DeJuan Tribble   Y            
7(234) Corey Clark   Y            
UDFA Mike Tolbert   Y Y Y        
2007
Rnd. Player Notes Made Team Played occasional starter full time starter pro bowl repeat pro bowl MVP
1(30) Craig Davis   Y Y          
2(37) Eric Weddle Moved up, trading our 62 overall pick plus 93rd, plus 167th, plus 2008 3rd rounder Y Y Y Y      
2(62)   traded for Weddle pick              
3(3)   traded for Weddle pick              
3(96) Anthony Waters compensatory (Drew Brees, Reche Caldwell, Ben Leber, Justin Peelle) Y Y          
4(129) Scott Chandler   Y            
5(167)   traded for Weddle pick              
5(172) Legedu Naanee compensatory (Drew Brees, Reche Caldwell, Ben Leber, Justin Peelle) Y Y          
6(204)   traded to Nashville for Volek              
7(240) Brandon Siler   Y Y          
4 (S) Paul Oliver 4th Round Supplemental Pick Y Y          
UDFA Jyles Tucker   Y Y Y        
UDFA Antwan Applewhite   Y Y          
2006
Rnd. Player Notes Made Team Played occasional starter full time starter pro bowl repeat pro bowl MVP
1(19) Antonio Cromartie   Y Y Y Y Y    
2(50) Marcus McNeill   Y Y Y Y Y Y  
3(81) Charlie Whitehurst   Y            
4(113)   traded to StLouis for Manumaleuna              
5(151) Tim Dobbins   Y Y Y        
6(187) Jeromey Clary   Y Y Y Y      
6(188) Kurt Smith from miami (for Cleo Lemon, we also got AJ Feeley)              
7(225) Chase Page                
7(227) Jimmy Martin from minnestota (for Fonoti)              
2005
Rnd. Player Notes Made Team Played occasional starter full time starter pro bowl repeat pro bowl MVP
1(12) Shawne Merriman from NYG in Manning Trade 2004 Y Y Y Y Y Y  
1(28) Luis Castillo   Y Y Y Y      
2(61) Vincent Jackson   Y Y Y Y      
3(91)   traded to bucs in McCardell Deal              
4(130) Darren Sproles   Y Y Y        
5(144)   from NYG in Manning Deal, traded to Bucs for Roman Oben              
5(164) Wesley Britt                
6(177) Wes Sims from Miami (for David Boston)              
6(203)   traded to bucs in McCardell Deal              
7(242) Scott Mruczkowski   Y Y          
2004
Rnd. Player Notes Made Team Played occasional starter full time starter pro bowl repeat pro bowl MVP
1(4) Philip Rivers From NYG in Manning Trade (also got 3rd rounder, and 2005 1st and 5th rounder) Y Y Y Y Y Y  
2(35) Igor Olshansky   Y Y Y Y      
3(65) Nate Kaeding From NYG in Manning Trade Y Y Y Y Y    
3(66) Nick Hardwick   Y Y Y Y Y    
4(98) Shaun Phillips   Y Y Y Y      
5(133) Dave Ball   Y Y          
5(154) Michael Turner from miami (for Seau) Y Y Y Y Y    
6(169) Ryan Krause   Y Y          
7(204) Ryon Bingham   Y Y Y        
7(209) Shane Olivea from atlanta (for Trevor Gaylor) Y Y Y Y      
7(254) Carlos Joseph compensatory pick              
UDFA Wes Welker Didn't make it out of camp, eventual pro bowler w/ NE         Y Y  
2003
Rnd. Player Notes Made Team Played occasional starter full time starter pro bowl repeat pro bowl MVP
1(15)   trade to Philly for Philly's 1st and 2nd              
1(30) Sammy Davis from philly for #15 Y Y Y (nickel)        
2(46) Drayton Florence   Y Y Y Y      
2(62) Terrence Kiel from philly for #15 Y Y Y Y      
3(80) Courtney Van Buren   Y Y          
4(112) Matt Wilhelm   Y Y Y Y      
5(149) Mike Scifres   Y Y Y Y Y Y  
6(188) Hanik Milligan   Y Y     Y (special teams)    
7(229) Andrew Pinnock   Y Y Y        
UDFA Kassim Osgood   Y Y     Y (special teams) Y (special teams)  
UDFA Kris Dielman   Y Y Y Y Y Y  
UDFA Antonio Gates   Y Y Y Y Y Y  
UDFA Jacques Cesaire   Y Y Y        
UDFA Stephen Cooper   Y Y Y Y      
2002 - Butler
Rnd. Player Notes Made Team Played occasional starter full time starter pro bowl repeat pro bowl MVP
1(5) Quentin Jammer   Y Y Y Y      
2(39) Toniu Fonoti   Y Y Y Y      
2(48) Reche Caldwell from 2001 vick trade Y Y Y        
3(71) Ben Leber   Y Y Y Y      
4(103) Justin Peelle   Y Y Y        
5(142) Terry Charles   Y            
6(178) Matt Anderle                
7(216) Seth Burford   Y            
2001 - Butler
Rnd. Player Notes Made Team Played occasional starter full time starter pro bowl repeat pro bowl MVP
1(1)   traded with Falcons for #5, #67, 2002 2nd rounder and Tim Dwight (for Michael Vick pick)              
1(5) LaDainian Tomlinson from vick trade Y Y Y Y Y Y Y
2(32) Drew Brees   Y Y Y Y Y Y  
3(63)   trade for trevor Gaylor              
4(96)   traded to NE for 4th and 5th rounder              
3(67) Tay Cody from vick trade Y Y Y        
4(112) Carlos Polk from NE trade Y Y          
5(132) Elliot Silvers   Y            
5(139) Zeke Moreno from NE trade Y Y          
6(164)   trade to dolphins for Nate Jacquet              
7(201) Brandon Gorin   Y            
7(244) Robert Carswell compensatory Y            

Sources include wikipedia and this nifty site: http://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/

In terms of production, let's assume the last two drafts still need some maturing before they can be evaluated.  One thing that jumps out is the sheer number of pro bowlers picked.  At least one per year on AJ's watch.  AJ has averaged 2.5 pro bowlers per draft (not counting special team pro bowlers and not counting Wes Welker).

Also, AJ's rate of success with his top picks is very good.  Outside of Sammy Davis all his first and second round picks draft picks have become full time starters and 4 of 10 are pro bowlers.  Of the first day picks (rounds 1-3) 11 of 14 picks became full time starters for the Chargers.

Looking at second day picks (rounds 4-7) 6 of 20 have become full time starters, with an additional 2 being occasional starters (and one of them being Sproles)

Another interesting stat is the quantity of picks.  A GM can stockpile picks via trades or compensatory selections (picks you are given by the league to make up for free agent loses).    The Chargers have averaged 8 picks per draft from 2003-2008, which is probably a bit above average, but not much.  It has been dropping with 6 in 2008 and 7 in 2007.

AJ has also done a really good job of picking up quality Undrafted Free Agents (UDFA, college guys who weren't drafted).  2003 was just ridiculous picking up Dielman, Gates, and Osgood (pro bowlers) and Cooper (future pro bowler?) and Cesaire.  Through AJ's 6 drafts, he has picked up 7 UDFAs who have had a positive impact on the team.

A lot of this evaluation needs to be done relative to other teams.  I did a quick run down on the Colts as well since they seem to be a team that has success in the draft.  They are not a real good comparison since they have been consistently good and therefore have had lower draft picks and fewer opening, but they're pretty close, and the stats are below.

Here is the chart comparing the Chargers drafts (2003+) to the Colts (2004-2006)

SD IND
ProBowlers/draft 2.5 1
1st day pro bowlers 40% 22%
1st day full time starters 79% 50%
2nd day starters 40% 22%
Avg Pick Count 8 8.6
Impact UDFA/draft 6 UDFA in
7 drafts
1 UDFA in
3 drafts

Most of us can agree that AJ's drafts have been excellent and have been one of the primary ingredients in turning the Chargers into the powerhouse they are today.  For those of us who witnessed some of those late career Beathard stinkers, AJ seems almost infalable in comparison.  That being said, his last two drafts (2007, 2008) have been less productive and the tendency to trade future picks to move up in rounds to pick guys like Hester and Weddle worries me.  I think part of it is a subtle shift in AJs strategy from stocking an empty cupboard (2003-2006) to fine tuning a championship caliber roster.  But I still don't like it.

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Great analysis

That UDFA class of 2003 is freaking awesome. The only thing standing between AJ and legendary drafting status would’ve been if he had kept the 15th pick in 2003 and taken Polamalu rather than turn it into Sammy Davis Jr and Terrance Kiel.

(Also, you have Welker listed as Walker a few times)

by 'Eaters on Mar 13, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In this day and age good drafting wins championships...

Look at the Patriots and Steelers and compair them to the Redskins and Cowboys…

In AJ we trust!

by Steve (Grey Suit) on Mar 13, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was bored, so I went through everything

Really fascinating to see it all layed out like this. My disgustingly encyclopedic-like brain noticed some items that could need updating.

Scifres has only been a Pro Bowl alternate, so I guess you were counting that when you shaded Pro Bowl for him.

Pinnock was a starter for the last chunk of ’07 while Lo Neal had a broken leg.

Ryan Krause played. I think he even caught a TD in ’04 in the last game of the year against the Chiefs.

Dobbins started some games last year in place of Wilhelm.

Tucker started just about every game last year since Merriman was down, but not sure if you want to classify that as “full time.”

And Applewhite is a UDFA who got a ton of reps last year and should be on there somewhere.

by matto619 on Mar 13, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Scifres – I counted alternates
Pinnock – updated
Krause – right you are, even started a single game
Dobbins – technically started 8 games (according to nfl.com) – updated
Tucker – missed three games mid season and seemed to share time a lot. I’m leaving him
Applewhite – how could I have missed him???

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 13, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might

consider Dave Ball an occasional starter. He started three games this year.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or did they have to start for the Chargers to get that box filled in?

The Welker one confuses me on that front.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got a better one

Caldwell started 14 games for the Chargers and 15 post Chargers, he definitely should be at least “occasional starter”.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Tay Cody started 11 games for the Chargers in 2001.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

done and done.

I think I had knocked caldwell down a bit because he did soooo poorly in NE playoff games. I remember being embarassed that he had even been a charger.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 13, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but..

he’s two teams and three years removed from the chargers. I’m leaving him where he is. (and yet I claim Michael Turner’s pro bowl for us… I’m inconsistently arbitrary :-)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 13, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think it reflects well on our drafting

Can’t hold it against us that our roster was so packed we couldn’t afford to wait for a late bloomer to develop.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 2004 draft was ungodly

and would’ve been moreso if Welker had made the team and had put up similar numbers to what he’s done in NE (no guarantee that he would’ve, but still).

Again, in AJ we trust.

"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan

by JollyWaffle on Mar 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Shane Olivea

It’s really too bad Shane couldn’t have kept himself together. He was an above average RT when he had his wits about him. We wouldn’t be talking about taking an OT with our #1 pick this year if he hadn’t melted down.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 13, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank tha lawd

You didn’t post anything before 2001. The last thing we need is more bad flashbacks.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It's amazing

At how many 1st and 2nd round picks we’ve spent on WRs and DBs over this time period. 11 of the 19 listed here. If you stop with just A.J. its 10 of 15. The other 8 were a RB, 2 QB, 2 OL, 2 DE, 1 LB. It just doesn’t seem smart to me. But, I can’t complain too much. I just hope we are done spending top picks in that direction.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude, look at Charlie Whitehurst

A 3rd round pick that hasn’t played yet. He’s such a slacker. He’s the reason we haven’t been to the Super Bowl. Step it up, Charlie!

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Paul Oliver

Does count because he was in the supplemental draft?

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

*Doesn’t count

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 13, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s on 2007 as well (that’s were I counted him)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 13, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2007-2008 definitely are old school Beathard moves

AJ should rightly be credited with the franchise transformation but Weddle and Hester for a two 2nds, two 3rds and two 5ths is stupid arrogant. Clearly we weren’t one or two players away (and those two players weren’t the difference makers – I’d take Peyton Hillis who is bigger and faster than Hester twice on Sunday over him and he was taken in the last round) and now with gaping holes at OL, DE, LB, S, RB – his “new” philosophy sucks balls. Not signing Free Agents and signing marginal players to long term deals is also a testament to his arrogance (I will solve everything through the draft) rather than what would have been best for the team.

Draft Balls Be Kind, The Kings Need Blake! The Padres need Strausberg and the Chargers need Mauluaga!

by bringbackbuddytrees on Mar 14, 2009 6:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not signing free agents is arrogance?

Signing old guys who their original team no longer wants and thinking that they will fix the team is less arrogant than trying to bring in young talented guys to learn your system while they are still in their prime?

Signing marginal players to long terms isn’t arrogance either. These are the guys that add depth to your roster. By signing them to long term deals you keep them from becoming free agents, which would make the team either start over with building depth through the draft or go get expensive free agents to be backups.

This isn’t arrogance. It’s cap management. Pay your star players premium. Pay your other starters and backups a pittance.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 14, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't get the arrogance claim

Missing on a draft pick isn’t arrogance. It happens. As long as he hits more than misses, you’re in good shape. We had a need for a pass catching fullback (wathcing LoNeal block was great, but watching him try to catch the ball out of the backfield was painful) so we drafted Hester (I thought his blocking was coming around in the last few games). We had a need at safety so Weddle was chosen. I think the jury is still out on both of them, but they are promising. I don’t think there is any question that we gave up a lot for them. Whether it is too much will be judged in a few years.

Do we have holes? Sure, everyone does. I don’t know that I would call LT and Sproles a “gaping” hole, in fact it is probably one of our strongest positions. LB is fine, Merriman, Cooper, and Phillips are pro bowl caliber and we just got a promising FA. So we have holes at OL, DE, and Safety. We can deal with those.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 14, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RB is a hole.

The Bolts were 22nd in yards per carry last year. After LT went down, they had no backup that would qualify as an everydown back. Just because he makes top 5 money, doesn’t make Sproles an everydown back. Even before he went down, LT would have to stick around to finish games (with Michael Turner gone) such as Oakland because Sproles was too small and Mr. Hester too unreliable (fumbled his first carry from scrimmage.) Hester is too slow to be a TB and too little to be a fullback. Third and 2 whose going to make the tough yards? Run 50 power to see LT get 1 yard and go down on first contact?

If you gave up as much as AJ did for Hester and Weddle, they should be superstars. Their upside doesn’t even grade out for stardom – at best they’re average NFL starters.

Um, Shane Olivea — $20 M, Jyles Tucker – $15 M, Luis Castillo – $43 M, Matt Wilhelm – $15 M – all locked up for over 5 years. Merriman unsigned past this year, Rivers unsigned past this year – both on their rookie contracts. Okay, if that’s what you mean by “pay your star players a premium and sign the rest to a pittance” than AJ is a god.

Draft Balls Be Kind, The Kings Need Blake! The Padres need Strausberg and the Chargers need Mauluaga!

by bringbackbuddytrees on Mar 14, 2009 10:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hear you about the depth concerns at RB

But I think the lack of production last year was due more to bad OL play and LT’s injuries than a lack of talent. I think 75% of the league would swap their RB situation for ours in a second. I don’t know that I would call it a “hole”, and I think its probably upside is pretty high.

I don’t think that anyone disagrees that we gave up too much for Hester and Weddle. That being said, Hester was a rookie and Weddle was in his first year of starting (second year overall) on a defense that underperformed everywhere. I’d give them one more year before writing them off.

I’d even go so far as to say that if AJ continues to trade multiple picks to move up in the second and third rounds, we’ve got a problem. I start to have Beathard flashbacks. Even the Cromartie pick was a little Beathard-esque, but it worked out.

Olivea ($3.2 M/year) and Castillo ($8.9 M / year) and Wilhelm ($3M / year) were all starters when given their contracts. Castillo’s seems a bit ridiculous and he definately underperformed last year. The other two are reasonable numbers for starters (Olivea’s looks worse since he melted down). Tucker was signed to a $3M/year contract as Merriman’s backup after stepping in nicely two years ago during Merriman’s suspension and as insurance against Merriman leaving. Despite Tucker’s poor year, I still think its a relatively good risk mitigation signing.

Rivers and Merriman are both going to get big contracts when they get them (whoever gives them to them). It makes sense to try and wait until the last year for these two. I bet Rivers is signed before camp. And I think the franchise tag gets used on Merriman. If we don’t get a new CBA, he’ll actually be a restricted free agent, so we can tender him at a relatively low number.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 15, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tucker

Tucker played well in the final weeks of ‘07, especially week 17 when Shawne was a little dinged. Merriman’s suspension was in ’06.

by matto619 on Mar 15, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilhelm was a backup when he signed his contract

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 15, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I misremembered :-)

Matt signed his contract on 12/23/2006. Donnie was let go that summer and Matt was starting the next year.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Mar 15, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rivers and Merrimen will get theres

If the Chargers could have signed these guys to long term deals, they would have. Their agents are smart and are trying to get maximum value out of these guys. It’s a gamble because they have to perform in their contract years, but it if they do then it will mean huge paydays for both. I guarantee you that the Chargers have tried to tie these guys up with contracts that would be nothing to sneeze at. Their agents (and the players they represent) just think they can get more and at some point the Chargers will pay it.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 15, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the Tucker and Wilhelm contracts

In both cases the players were backups that the team saw promise in. They signed them to small money contracts in order to guarantee that they would develop as Chargers. In Wilhelm’s case he earned a starting job and got paid less than starter money. Turns out, the team can probably upgrade his position and not have to worry about cutting or trading him because he’s very affordable. That provides depth. Is it an awesome, team-defining, championship winning move? No. But it was a quality move. Tucker has the same scenario, only instead of earning a starting spot, he was thrown in there and isn’t quite ready for prime time. That’s fine. He’s not breaking the bank either.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Mar 15, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

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