San Diego Chargers NFL Draft Thoughts: Post-Combine
This week I'm taking a break from breaking down the Xs and Os of current and future Chargers, at least by way of looking at game tape. I've noticed a lack of posts and comments regarding the combine, which leads me to believe that I'm the only person on earth with the NFL Network and a job that lets me sit on my couch all day. So today I'm going to share with you what I've managed to pick up from watching almost 3 full days of combine coverage.
Keep in mind that I'm ignoring positions that the Chargers will most likely be ignoring as well. For instance, I did not watch kickers, tight ends and only half-watched the wide receivers. I paid special attention to RBs, Safeties, DTs and LBs. I'm mostly going to be commenting on picks that have a chance be picked with our first round and third round picks. I'm also going to be picking players that interest me in one way or another. If you'd like me to look over a player I've left off, ask nicely in the comments section and I'll respond with what I was able to pick up. Keep in mind that I'm keeping off O-linemen and D-linemen for now because they were really only separated by "who looked good" and "who screwed up", but if you want me to try and go in-depth with them I can try that.
Andre Brown - I need to start here. There's a lot of talk, especially amongst our commentors, that this guy is who we need to pair LT with. Well, I'll start by saying that A.J. Smith is stubborn. For all we know he's going to move Hester back to HB and go with LT/Hester/Sproles with Tolbert leading the way. Now, he probably won't, but it might happen. If he comes out on Thursday and says that we're looking at RBs, Brown will be looked at.
Andre Brown had a very good combine. He ran a 4.49 40 yard dash (4th best among RBs), did 24 bench press reps (10th) and had a 37 inch vertical (5th). What is strange is that what I've watched of him in game situations, he's not very fast. He's LT fast. Once he gets through the hole he has a hard time getting past the corners and safeties. The biggest draw-back for him, and the thing that would keep me from drafting him, is he seems to run scared. When he goes to hit a hole, that hole either has to be wide open or he's going to dance to try and find another one. That's not how NFL running backs run, because those 2 seconds it takes to decide is all it takes for the defense to catch up. I just went searching for a professional opinion to compare to my own and found this, courtesy of NFLDraftScout.com:
Negatives: Runs tall. Lacks elite speed, taking a few steps to get going. Inconsistent hands out of the backfield, body-catches too often. Tends to dance in the hole if there is anyone in his sight. Does not have the quickness to make defenders miss once stopped. Must have more awareness of blitzers off the edge. His left foot must be checked out medically, as he fractured it in 2007 and had another surgery in spring 2008.
Donald Brown - Once again, Donald Brown is somehow looking like a great NFL back and nobody is talking about him. He may not be the power back we crave, coming in at 5'10" and 210 lbs, and by all accounts he's average (average size, average speed, average shoulder width, average leg strength). Then he comes into the combine and runs a 4.51 40 (5th), a 41.5 inch vertical leap (1st), a 10'5" broad jump (2nd) and a 6.93 second time on the 3 cone drill (8th). He also came in with the second fastest time among RBs for the 20 yard shuttle and first for the 60 yard shuttle. All of those tell me that this guy has all the leg strength he needs. He's fast, he's explosive and when the lights were on him brightest he performed. Donald Brown may go in the second round or word may get around on what he did at the combine and he'll go first. Would he be worth our first round pick? Absolutely. Not just because he can help shoulder the load now but because he would have no problem being the number 1 guy down the road.
Rey Maualuga - Why am I commenting on Maualuga? Because everyone else is commenting on him and apparently he's not the player he was just a few days ago. Listen, Rey Maualuga is not Donnie Edwards. Donnie was always in the right position at the right time and never out of position. Donnie also couldn't blitz worth a damn and never put the fear of god in an offensive player. Maualuga is Ray Lewis. He's a carbon-copy of Junior Seau. There's one thing I've noticed in comparing potential first-round LBs in this draft, both at the combine and by looking at some film. Aaron Curry and Rey Maualuga are the only two that have seemingly never been blocked by a RB ever. This is an essential thing to think about in the 3-4. If we send a heavy blitz, a RB is going to have to pick up Maualuga slicing through the middle of the line and I can say with confidence that there's not more than 2 or 3 RBs in the league that could stop him from killing the quarterback or disrupting the play. He's a fiery maniac in a massively strong body and sometimes he plays out of control. So does Ray Lewis, so did Seau. I used to hate that about Seau until I realized that it was a calculated risk that most of the time worked out in our favor. What would you prefer....a LB that drops back and tries to swat the ball away when defending a RB or one that decides that the QB killed his mama (shout out to The Program) and is dead-set on snapping his spine in two as quickly as possible. Personally? I'd prefer the second one. The only thing better than one Merriman on a defense is two Merrimans on a defense.
Malcolm Jenkins - This one makes me excited. This is a Jim Thorpe winner (best CB or S in college football), thought of top be a top 10 pick as a cornerback before the combine. If he runs a 4.5 at the combine he still is. He ran a 4.6 instead and has been labeled as a late first-round safety. After hearing that, I gathered every piece of tape and film I could find on Malcolm Jenkins and drooled over the possibilities. He's big, he's strong, he's fast, he hits hard, he has soft hands and he loves to read a QB, undercut a route and get 6 going the other way. Sounds like a safety to me. Now, imagine we have two safeties that are both adept at playing as cornerbacks and also at blitzing. So when the QB looks out at the defense, ANYONE can be blitzing and anyone can be dropping back for coverage. Let Ron Rivera play with that for a while.
Okay, I know that was only 4 players but these are the players that were getting the most comments about them that I wanted to answer. Like I said, if there's a player out there that interests you put him in the comments and I'll respond with my take on him, after watching some film and seeing them at the combine. I will not respond to requests for Michael Crabtree or anyone who will certainly be a top 10 pick.
So....in summary, my draft board for the Chargers goes Jenkins, Maualuga and then Donald Brown. Any offensive tackles of sane mind and body who are projected to go in the first 10 picks would go above any of these picks. B.J. Raji and maybe Peria Jerry go above them too.
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Significantly Less Excited
After reading this post at the Texans blog, Battle Red Blog. Not just because it’s better written than my own post here, and not just because of the argument/counterargument style that leads to this:
Argument: F Ohio State.
Counterargument: None. Point conceded.
but because it seems that the Texans have a legitimate hole at the FS position and they have the 15th pick in the draft. Yikes!
Peria Jerry & Aaron Maybin
Not crazy about the RB or Safety with the first rounder. A great Offensive Lineman would be OK. Maybin was kinda slow as I remember; more and more I’m thinking Jerry could be the guy.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 25, 2009 11:26 AM PST reply actions
Maybin
Would be an OLB in our system, wouldn’t he? Unless we’re planning on replacing Merriman, I don’t see Maybin being a good pick for us.
by John Gennaro on Feb 25, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
You can never be too rich
or have too many OLB’s that can get at the QB. Merriman might be here for two more years and you never know when an injury comes up. The NT and the OLB’s need more depth; I don’t want to see another season where they can’t get pressure off the edge.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 25, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
I'm 100% against
using a 1st round draft pick for “depth” at a position where we may not need it. What happens if we get Maybin and then Merriman/Philips don’t get hurt and play stellar football for the next 4 years? Then it’s a waste.
by John Gennaro on Feb 25, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
OK
But Phillips has five years in; Merriman four years and major knee surgery. The average career length in the NFL is four years; and we still don’t know Merriman is going to be 100% and will likely be more prone to re-injury. If you get a guy who can shake things up; they can all play 2/3’s of the downs, keep fresher and, if something should happen, step right in.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 25, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
The word on the street
Is that Jerry is not a good fit for the 3-4 and that’s ideal for the 4-3 as a pass rushing DT. That makes me nervous about using a 1st round pick on him. Maybin was considered too small, but he weighed at the combine at a decent weight for a DE/OLB… and then proceeded to run an average 40. He’s a project since he wasn’t that good in college, supposedly his ceiling is high.
1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.
A little Light
and a bit short; but he put up some nice numbers; granted in the 4-3. The biggest knock on him I’ve seen is his age; he’s a bit of a geaser.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 25, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Maualuga vs. Lewis
Just a comparison between the two last year:
Rey Maualuga (projected over 16 games)
80 tackles (116 tackles)
0 sacks
0 forced fumbles
2 int (3 int)
1 TD
Ray Lewis
117 tackles
3.5 sacks
1 forced fumble
3 int
0 TD
Keep in mind that Maualuga did a lot more blitzing in 2007 than he did in 2008 and ended up with 6 sacks that season (or 9 projected over 16 games). Ray Lewis averages about 2 sacks per season, with 5 being the most in 2006.
A better comparison...
Ray Lewis (Junior Season)
160 tackles
2 sacks
1 forced fumble
2 int
1 TD
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by Richard Wade on Feb 25, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was looking for Lewis's college stats everywhere
Where did you find them?
by John Gennaro on Feb 25, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love to know
The difference between the # of plays each was in. The USC offense was known for being a ball control, eat the clock offense and the defense was known for sending the other team back to the bench quickly. Less plays = less tackles and less sacks.
1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.
by Wonko on Feb 25, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's
a great point.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 25, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
I have to credit
Obviousman and Richard for stepping up.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 25, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Rey and Ray no es the same
I don’t put huge stock in 40s but Ray in his prime was superfast and is still a factor now because he is a student of the game who watches film and puts himself in the right position – he rarely misses tackles. Rey does because he’s trying to score the highlight hit, he’s more worried about maintaining his rep than the team. I do see some Shawn Merriman in Rey with the bad intentions and swagger and some Junior Seau with the gambling and enthusiasm. I was all for Rey originally but I don’t know, he seems like a gamble. I look at the Pittsburgh LBs as the model and base of a strong 3-4 or NE LBs before they got so old and they are smart, dependable, fill gaps quickly and swarm. Our current stable are not that.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Feb 25, 2009 4:09 PM PST reply actions
Big Difference
The Pittsburgh scheme works for those LBs because Lebeau is a super-genius. He has schemed the greatest defense in the last 10 years, but that defense doesn’t work as well unless everyone does EXACTLY what their assignment is. That is not how our defense works, especially under Rivera. We play a lot of man and we let our LBs go if they think they can shut down the play.
Rey on the Chargers has a better chance to be great than Rey on the Steelers. The Steelers D is like the Patriots. It doesn’t matter who the players are, it’s the scheme that matters. If you’re a MLB and you see something in the line that’s going to open up a big hole, with the Chargers your assignment changes to “kill the QB” while with the Steelers it remains “do my job”, even if that means dropping back in coverage.
Look, you said you see a lot of Merriman and Seau in Maualuga. That’s all that matter. Merriman is half-great because of his god-given ability and half-great because he can spot blocking mistakes and completely blow up a play, even if that wasn’t his assignment on that play. Rey is the same way. The difference between getting Laurinaitis and getting Maualuga is the difference between a good defense and a scary defense. That’s all that matters. Sometimes you want players that take chances.
by John Gennaro on Feb 26, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
someday ppl will believe me about Donald Brown
glad that Obviousman has joined me as the two lone people on his wagon. the rest of the league will soon come around.
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I'm a believer
I just don’t know if I’m a first round believer. I think I like him more than Wells or Moreno at this point. And I’m pretty sure A.J. is a believer.
1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.
hell yeah man
it’d be nice to see another Husky starting in the NFL (Anderson for Dallas and Branch for Oakland for a few games). i’d especially love to see him here, he’s got potential to be something special.
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Unfortunately
I’ve been reading that too many good UConn RBs have fallen flat on their face in the NFL and because of that (which seems like a stupid reason) they believe Donald Brown will be a 2nd rounder. I don’t know, I think there’s so much 2nd and 3rd round talent at RB that the 1st round may only see one RB taken.
For what it’s worth, after the combine Mayock moved Brown up to his 2nd RB ahead of Wells and below Moreno.
by John Gennaro on Feb 26, 2009 7:07 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
but i went there right around when we first moved up to D-1, and have been following them since. i can’t recall any UConn running backs IN the NFL, much less falling flat on their face. we have one fullback (Deon Anderson – Dal), one Quarterback (Dan “I didnt realize there was a back of the end zone” Orlavsky – Det), and a cadre of defensive players spread throughout the league.
our only really good RB before Brown was Terry Caulley who had one good season, and maybe Andre Dixon but he lost his starting job to Brown and was never heard from again.
methinks the haters doth protest too much.
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UConn
Basing players’ abilities using their colleges is bad enough, but doing it with UConn is even worse. The move to D-1 has to change the evaluation of players. They went from playing second-tier competition to playing in a BCS conference. If the creme rose to the top back in the day then you’d have to wonder how good the competition was, when it rises to the top today you have to consider them on par with any top player out of WVU, Pitt, Cincinnati, USF, Louisville, etc.
1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.
wow that might be the best compliment UConn football has ever gotten
comparing us to WVU.
i’m getting a little misty eyed, my little guys are all grown up sniff sniff
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