X's and O's - Eric Weddle
I like Eric Weddle. A lot. I may even have a bit of a mancrush on the guy, but who can blame me. Coming out of college we heard the most glorious things about him. That he was unbelievably smart, had the best instincts on the field and although he was small he had the skills to be a prolific CB, FS or SS. His first year with the team did nothing to dash those hopes. He played in specialized situations. He was the blitzing strong safety or the guy to stick with your small/quick/smart WR as a CB. Not only did he create pressure almost every time he blitzed, he would occasionally shut down a tough WR that was giving other CBs, safeties and LBs fits. He also had one of the most crucial plays of 2007 with his one-handed interception that was made while he was being blocked by the Colts' pro bowl center Jeff Saturday.
Everyone was on board last offseason when the team decided to let Marlon McCree leave via free agency and give Weddle more time on the field. Even though he was young, he was smart and a natural "ballhawk". It had to yield great results. It didn't.
Now, here's where things get a little negative and also a little broader. In the last few weeks I've rewatched every Chargers game in their entirety, keeping an eye on the players fulfilling their assignments rather than simply watching the ball and hoping for a touchdown. It had really opened my eyes as to the talent level of some of the players on our team. For instance, Stephen Cooper is REALLY good. I thought he was a good ILB, but he may be the best 3-4 ILB I've ever watched. Unbelievable instincts, power and speed. Also, for some reason Igor Olshansky is a better NT than a DE (even in the 3-4). I now have mini-reviews of each player on the team that tells me what they're good at, what they're bad at and if they should be replaced. Let's start with Weddle.
Eric Weddle is limited only by his own body. The same way Wes Welker can never be Randy Moss, Eric Weddle can never be Ed Reed. (This is where I have to state that Reed is not being declared as the best safety in the league, just like Moss is not longer the best WR in the league. It's just a better analogy this way.) For this reason, Weddle serves as a potential weakness on our defense regardless of his position but an even larger weakness as our free safety.
For those that may not know the difference between the two safeties, the free safety plays deeper than the other safety to offer help "over the top" and prevent big pass plays. The strong safety plays "down" or closer to the line of scrimmage and is usually responsible for covering TEs, RBs and occasionally blitzing. Ed Reed is a good idea of someone who's a pure FS, while Rodney Harrison is probably the prototype for SS. Brian Dawkins and Troy Polamalu have (or had) the skills to play both positions and sometimes switch back and forth depending on the rest of the talent on the team. Eric Weddle was drafted to be similar to Dawkins or Polamalu, but falls short in several different categories. Let's go through them as a way to analyze Weddle as a player:
Tackling/Run Defense - Weddle ranks as a good tackler. He certainly has the numbers. In his first full year as a starter he collected 103 tackles and another 22 tackle assists. He always seems to be around the play and has fantastic technique. He almost always wraps up the legs and spins to the ground. While he's never been flat-out embarassed, he has a real problem with taking down power RBs head-on. Using his smart, he typically tries to hold them up while waiting for a LB or D-lineman to finish the job. Basically, he's a great tackling CB, an average tackling FS and a below-average tackler for the SS position.
Tackling/Blitzing - He's definitely one of the best blitzers on the team. I'd go so far to say he's a close 3rd behind Phillips. He's just too quick and slippery to be blocked by a lineman or a fullback. Considering most RBs aren't the best pass blockers, he does a great job at going around them too. In 2008 he wasn't utilized nearly enough in this role, mostly because of how afraid the coaches were to put Hart out there as the deep safety. Weddle wasn't that much better...
Pass Coverage (zone) - Here is Weddle's biggest weakness. Granted, he has only been a starter for one year, but towards the end of that year when the rest of the team was progressing Weddle seemed to be regressing in his zone coverage schemes. He is always late with his "over the top" coverage unless he plays ridiculously far back. In our playoff game against the Colts he was atrocious. After being beat with the deep ball twice in the first half (and once that should've been an easy TD for Wayne but was an inaccurate throw) Weddle began playing 20 yards off the ball, which lead to Manning hitting wide-open underneath routes for a couple of big drives (including two converted third downs). After a while Weddle was moved to SS and was effective on the blitz, but Gregory struggled to do any better in coverage. When the Colts were in the red zone I saw at least two plays where Jammer and Cason double-covered a receiver (both Wayne and Gonzalez got the treatment), with Jammer playing as the "over the top" safety and Cason playing underneath. They were much more effective.
Pass Coverage (man) - Kindof a mixed bag. Once again, Weddle is limited by his own body. He struggles against big TEs and can be beaten deep by some "deep threat" slot receivers (ala Nate Washington). He does a very good job against RBs in coverage and is sometimes better than Cason (or Cromatie this year) at lining up against shifty receivers (Welker, Anthony Gonzalez, Eddie Royal). The more tape I watch of him, the more I realize that this is Weddle's game. One-on-one, man-on-man. He can outsmart you, outquick you and outhustle you. Put him in a zone and force him to read the QB and see the play before it's happening and he's not as good.
Here's the point where I start making everyone angry. I don't think Weddle has a future as a starting FS in this league. His weaknesses (fighting for jump balls, reading QBs, top speed) make him much better suited for other positions. Now trust me, I want to keep Weddle around and keep him on the field....but I think keeping him as FS keeps a large hole in our defense.
Now, this all means nothing, it's not like AJ or Norv are reading BftB and taking our advice. But if you were in their shoes, what would you do? Personally, I think he's a poor FS, an good SS (although a dynamic one. polamalu can't cover big TEs either) and a very good nickel corner. Logic says he doesn't get moved to nickel corner because we like all 3 of our corners and don't want to risk screwing that up. However, I think when we're looking at the draft we should be looking at free safeties (and cornerbacks that can be moved, ala Michael Griffin) with the idea of moving Weddle to SS. It's where he fits better, because it allows him to play close to the line and blitz regularly. This would certainly open up the possibility of TEs being covered semi-frequently by a LB while Weddle tries to sneak through the line. For the record, I believe the only reason Weddle didn't play SS this past year is because Clinton Hart an even worse FS than he is a SS.
So let's open it up. Where do you want to see Weddle next year? Who still likes the idea of moving a corner to safety? Make a choice in the poll or in the comments, but make sure you leave an idea for who should fill the holes made by your choice.
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Seems like Weddle played more of a FS at Utah
See what he can do there.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 16, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dammit
I meant SS
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 16, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I only saw a handful of games
but Utah really moved Weddle around quite a bit. They loved lining him up as a safety, then bringing him down just before the snap and blitzing a corner (or two), so in that way he played a lot of corner. From what I remember and what I’ve seen, Utah played very little zone while Weddle was there which may be the reason he seems to be lost when we play a zone with him in it.
Keep in mind two things. First, Weddle was Utah’s best CB, FS and SS. So they moved him where they most needed the talent (such as when he played CB against Calvin Johnson for an entire game). Second, SS in college is a little different from SS in the NFL. You can get by in college with a SS that does everything but hit hard (like Weddle), in NFL it’s a little trickier.
by John Gennaro on Feb 16, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Being a MWC fan
I always remember him coming up and bringing the heat and being a hard hitter.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Feb 16, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff
He almost always wraps up the legs and spins to the ground.
I think my favorite quote from last year was from Hart on Weddle.
"Eric’s a sure tackler, He does a good job of clickin’ heels (ankle tackles). He’s down there like a little piranha."
He’s tough to place for all the reasons you give; I voted for strong safety but he isn’t the type of enforcer you usually think of there.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 16, 2009 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
He’s too weak at coverage to be an effective FS, and he’s not the enforced type at SS. I’m back to thinking he should be the nickel corner and one of our CBs should move to FS. It would certainly be fun to play games with the offense by pretending to blitz the FS, only to have Weddle blitz and the FS playing man against the slot.
With that being said, I voted for SS because I think AJ and the coaching staff are enamored with our 3 CBs and don’t want to move any of them. I guess you could say I’m tired of fighting reason on that one.
by John Gennaro on Feb 16, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is excellent stuff, obviousman.
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by Richard Wade on Feb 16, 2009 7:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
This will become a more regular thing. During the offseason I’ll put together these posts about less obvious individual players on the Chargers, explaining what I see on tape as their weaknesses and strengths.
If there’s any player that anyone is particularly interested in, let me know by responding to this comment or in any of the comment sections of future Xs and Os posts. Here’s a short list of some of the players that I’ll be avoiding unless more than one person really wants a post about them:
-Rivers (enough has been said)
-Cromartie (since I only have 2008 tape I think it’s unfair to make an assessment that way)
-Merriman (same as Cromartie)
-Applewhite/Harris/Siler/Waters (as much as I’d love to, they just didn’t get on the field enough)
-Tolbert (same as LBs)
-any players that will be leaving the team (Igor, maybe Sproles, etc)
I’m also going to try and avoid doing ones where it would get really negative. For instance, Goff (who’s gone anyways) and Clinton Hart both are severely lacking in redeeming qualities. Here’s a preliminary list of players that really interest me and I’d like to write more about:
-Jacob Hester (good enough to split carries with LT?)
-Malcolm Floyd (consistent enough to be the number 2 WR?)
-Antoine Cason (how good is he? should we try and find a way for him to be a starter?)
-Luis Castillo (how good/bad was he in 2008? did he show any improvement?)
-Jeromey Clary (how good/bad did he look in 2008? does he look like a starter at T or G?)
Also, this will get really fun once the free agent market opens up. I’ll look at possible pick-ups for the Chargers and do in-depth looks at any players that they sign. Like I said before, post a reply to this comment with any other players you’d like an in-depth look at.
by John Gennaro on Feb 17, 2009 4:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clary would be particularly interesting.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes please
also, got anything on the new guy Forney?
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 25, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd, Cason and Castillo are the most interesting cases to me.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 17, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Williamson
…who needs an editor in the worst way, mentions moving Cason to SS if free agency/draft don’t bring one in.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Feb 17, 2009 5:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That could work too
He’s a big hitter and one of the best tacklers on the team. They have to find a way to get Cason on the field more; I think that was one reason Rivera practically lived in the nickel some games. As late in his career as it is; I keep thinking Jammer would make a great SS too.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 17, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jammer would probably be a great safety, but he’s already a great corner.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Feb 17, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
You and grey suit make a good point. But last season for the first time it seemed like Jammer was wearing down at the end of games. Two or three times he came out with cramps or hamstring issues. He also seemed to be losing maybe half a step; he gave up more TDs than usual. I wonder if it might extend his career if he could transition and allow Cason to be on the field more.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 17, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait a second
I’m all for moving Jammer or Cason to safety (Jammer’s the better choice – nobody knows the value of a good safety better than him), but why would they move them to Strong Safety? It’s a much better idea to move one of them to Free Safety and move Weddle over. I hope Williamson is half-wrong on this one.
by John Gennaro on Feb 17, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with FS or SS
I think the distinction is slim sometimes; they both end up having to fill the bill of the other at one point or another. I guess I’m instinctively averse to seeing an ankle tackler as strong safety; you need somebody that is going to make the receiver short arm it; for me that’s more Jammer and Cason. Still Weddle can struggle in coverage; so fair enough…
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Feb 17, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Weddle's coverage is weak
but his blitzing skills are tremendous. He could be a large difference maker as the potential 8th man in the box, even as a solid ankle-tackler. He gets in the face of the QB and actually does a good job from 10 yards and in. It’s the deep coverage that seems to hurt him the most.
Now imagine a SS that’s one of your 3 best blitzers and he’s playing in the box of a 3-4. NOW who’s dropping back. The MLBs? an OLB? The SS? NOBODY? Dick Lebeau would have a blast with that attack and I think Rivera would too.
That’s one of my biggest faults with Hart. Not only was he bad at coverage, but he brought nothing to the table as a blitzer. He was adequate if you ran the ball directly at him. I think him not bringing any pressure from that position is one of the big unmentioned faults of the ’08 defense.
by John Gennaro on Feb 17, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're dead-on
He’s a nickel corner. He’s too slow without the great makeup speed, doesn’t cover well enough, isn’t tall enough to play Free (kind of like Hester btw RB & FB who was also picked too soon and wasted extra picks.) He’s just not physical enough to play Strong (even Bob Sanders or Donte Whitner are smallish but damn physical.) I wish we had Kenny Phillips (drafted after Cason last year.) I was so hoping Taylor Mays was going to be the pick – an eraser in the back with a pass rush is the recipe for successful Ds these days.
by bringbackbuddytrees on Feb 22, 2009 2:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Charger's Safety Positions
I remember a few years ago Shottenheimer was talking about how they didn’t know where McCree was going to play and how it didn’t really matter because the two safety positions were more or less the same in the Chargers defense. I think it was McCree. It could have been the dude we got from Green Bay. Anyways, I have been pompously repeating this as if it were the truth. Pointing out that we didn’t need the run stopping type SS and the smaller speedier FS because in the Charger’s D, both were the same…
Have I been mislead? Am I misremembering Or has something changed since Marty left? Maybe it changed an no one told Cotrell? That seems the most likely.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Feb 25, 2009 5:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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