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State of the AFC West Week 13

Good news, everyone! The Chargers can become the first member of the AFC West to clinch a spot in the playoffs if they beat the Cowboys, like 8 other teams lose, Tim Tebow dies for our sins, and Brett Favre retires for the rest of the regular season and makes a comeback in the playoffs...for the Broncos. 

Anyway, after being left for dead (by me and the MSM at least) after their 4 game losing streak, the Broncos have come back with two dominating victories over the G-Men and the Chiefs to stay within 1 game of the Chargers. The Chargers have a tough 3 game stretch (@DAL, vs. CIN, @TEN) but hold the tiebreaker over Denver so the Chargers still hold the best position to win their 4th straight AFC West title.

The Raiders now have two big wins on their schedule after the Gradkowski led them on multiple 4th quarter TD drives to win over the Stillers in Pittsburgh, something the Chargers couldn't do. While they still aren't very good, the are now clearly much better than the sucky sucky Chiefs. (HA! Take that Chiefs fans! I called your team sucky!) Let's see if the Raiders can beat the Broncos and prove they can win a division game (other than over the Chiefs, HA!) and maybe we'll think about considering whether the Raiders can be relevant again anytime soon.

Click the jump link thingy. Please.


AFC West Standings

W L T PF PA
San Diego 9 3 0 342 242
Denver 8 4 0 240 202
Oakland 4 8 0 142 282
Kansas City 3 9 0 196 326

(updated 12.8.2009 at 1:21 AM PST)



Star-divide

 

Kansas City Chiefs: The whispers are Matt Cassel better get his act together soon are he might go the way of the Dodo. I'm not sure what they expected from a career backup who came from the devious Patriots. Although Josh McDaniels sure wanted him and he obviously knows about him. On the other hand, maybe he was just feigning interest to get the Chiefs in on him to guarantee they would suck. Josh is pretty douchy like that, coming from the counsel of Bill Belichick. All of that, and now the Chiefs might be facing the first blackout in like a really really long time. Not to mention they've only won one homegame out of the last 12. Anyway, enough bashing on the Chiefs. If you don't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say anything at all, right? That Jamaal Charles guy is really good. 

 

Oakland Raiders: Even if their best defensive player is out and their QB is coming back from his 23rd concussion, anytime you beat the Steelers on their home field it is impressive. Anytime your QB leads you on two 4th quarter TD drives that's impressive. Gradkowski has now led two winning drives in the final two minutes in three weeks. Vote in the poll for the AFC West Question of the WEEK! Was Jamarcus Russell such a black hole of Suck that he made the entire team awful? Or are the Raiders just catching some breaks and playing teams at the right time? 400 yards of offense by the Raiders on Hienz field. Think about that. This is way too much Raider love though; probably because I hate the Steelers more than the Raiders because the Raiders suck and they have two former Aztecs starters on their team. (C. Shillens and K. Morrison).

 

Denver Broncos: So, after getting shellacked in Denver by the Bolts, the Broncos b*tch slapped New York and then pimp slapped KC. I still can't understand this team. Streaky is an understatement. The Broncos appear headed for a wildcard spot in the #5 seed, which means they would play the #4 seed in an away game in the wildcard round of the playoffs. It looks like right now that would be the Patriots. Can this Broncos team beat the Patriots in Foxbourgh in January? If I had to bet, I'd say no, but then again I thought they'd lose to both the Giants and the Chiefs. The good news for the Broncos is that they really got the running game together against the Chiefs which will do good things for them in the playoffs; although that might say more about the Chiefs defense than anything else. The Broncos have a tough 3 game stretch coming up (@ IND, vs. OAK, @PHI) we'll know a lot more after we see how they do in those games.

 

San Diego Chargers: Here's what we know: The Chargers have the best passing offense in the NFL according to G0d  Football Outsiders, a sometimes useful running game, an inconsistent defense, and really injury prone starters. A lot of the Chargers future success will depend on the health of the team. Sound familiar? Like every post season from the last 4 years familiar? I'm REALLY starting to wonder about the training staff. The health of Eric Weddle, Shawne Merriman, and Luis Castillo are going to be very important down the like; not only because of the players themselves, but when Shawne is in, Shaun doesn't get doubled and is able to get more pressure...our match-ups against offensive players are much better. Eric Weddle might be the most important player on our defense. We get killed on defense without him. (See Browns, Cleveland). If the Chargers beat the Bengals, they have a very good chance of locking up the #2 seed and a first round bye...which is very important given our health issues. We definitely could use that time to heal up.

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Is Bruce Gradkowski the long term answer in Oakland?
Yes
95 votes
No
95 votes
Tim Tebow
77 votes

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Wait

Do you mean is Gradkowski the answer for the rest of the season? Because then obviously the answer is “Yes”.

Or do you mean is he the long term answer? Because then obviously the choice is “No”, “no” and more “NO!”

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 11:39 PM PST reply actions  

From an un-biased non-Charger-fan perspective of course.

As a Charger fan I fully endorse my rivals to use sucky quarterbacks that rely on DBs dropping balls thrown right at them in order to win.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I was about to say:
Is Bruce Gradkowski the answer in Oakland?

What is the question?

by Dalton on Dec 8, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

YES!

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 8, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

didn't the Raiders trade their first round pick?

or do we think Tebow is dropping out of the first round?

or are we just maliciously slandering our AFC West opponent?

if the later, I’d like to join in and point out that there were plenty of Chiefs fans in here a few weeks back telling us we sucked because we were close to a blackout. To them I say “Who is sucky now!!!”

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

It looks like

Someone will be foolish enough to think that Tebow’s intangibles will make him a 1st round pick. Just based off of pure QB abilities like reading defenses, pocket presence, ability to throw the deep ball, release time, arm strength and everything else you would want from a QB he appears to be worthy of nothing higher than a 4th round pick and would be quite a project to be an above average backup QB.

He would be perfect for the Raiders.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 9, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The Raiders traded their 2011 first rounder.

Their 2010 pick is intact.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 9, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll fix it

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

ok

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot of the Chargers future success will depend on the health of the team Rivers

after all, the team hasn’t really been healthy all year…

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 9, 2009 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

Think he meant Playoff success, Rivers can win a game or so but we need a healthier defense for the Playoffs.

The one and only AzDuck

by Dude52089 on Dec 9, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure our defense is going to get a whole lot better than it has been for most of the season

even if everyone who could be healthy is healthy. Hopefully, we can get Merriman, Weddle, and Castillo back and healthy, but we have had them healthy in the past and our defense hasn’t been real good.

Our most important defensive player to keep healthy is Philip Rivers. Putting up points on offense puts pressure on the opposing teams’ offense to score more points which helps our defense play better.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 9, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think its gonna get better

But Weddle is a pretty important player in our run D and pretty much one of the reasons we lead the league with the fewest plays over 20 yards on our D.

The one and only AzDuck

by Dude52089 on Dec 9, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

you're right

if we don’t get some of these guys back, it is going to be a very tough road to have post-season success.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 9, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Chargers do not own tiebreaker over Denver

1: Head-Head: 1-1.
2: Division: We’re 5-1, they’re 3-1 with two to go.
3: Conference: We’re 7-3 with two to go, they’re 6-3 with three to go.
4: Common: We’re 7-3 with three to go, they’re 6-4 with three to go.
5: SOV: They get it if they beat the Colts.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 9, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

Don't count tiebreakers before they hatch

Its kind of a nonsensical argument to say that the Chargers don’t “own” the tiebreaker when there are still games to be played that determine tiebreakers.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 9, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

You have #3 and #4 backwards
TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs

   1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
   2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
   3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
   4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
   5. Strength of victory.
   6. Strength of schedule.
   7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
   8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
   9. Best net points in common games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Great clarification

I agree with the sentiment above…talking tiebreakers now is silly…we need to catch up to you first, then it HIGHLY depends on who you hypothetically lose to as to who wins the tiebreak…

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Dec 9, 2009 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

Don’t they get SOV anyway if they don’t beat the Colts since they beat the Patriots. I guess, technically the Dolphins could finish ahead of the Patriots.

Of course, for it to come down to that tiebreaker following the Colts beating the Broncos the Chargers would have to lose to the Titans and either the Cowboys or Redskins. If we lose to the Redskins then it basically comes down to the Patriots record vs. the Dolphins record. If we lose to the Cowboys, but beat the Redskins then it comes down to the Patriots+Cowboys records vs. the Dolphins+Redskins records. The other scenario would be that the Broncos lose to the Colts and the Eagles and the Chargers go 1-3 and only beat the Bengals. Then it comes down to the Patriots+Cowboys records vs Dolphins+Eagles records.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 9, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

What?

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 9, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure it makes sense

If you’re able to follow it.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 9, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It does, in fact, make sense. It’s just more scenarios than I’m willing to try to consider at once.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 9, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's start with the first one. Division Record

Denver still has to play Oakland and KC, and we can hope they lose one of those games.

by SJO on Dec 9, 2009 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

I was hoping

KC could beat them at Arrowhead. Instead they puked all over themselves. I guess the Raiders are playing okay. Both those games are at Invesco I think.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 9, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m still counting on Denver losing at Indy and the Chargers not losing more than one of their remaining games.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 9, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude norv worries me

Norv said on an interview after the cleveland browns win that he won’t rest players and he wants everybody to play

by BFTB_zach on Dec 9, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

Well

he said he wants to play everyone and instead in my opinion he should wrest them so they can be around when it comes to playoffs.Injuries was the Chargers only problem the last three years.

by BFTB_zach on Dec 14, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as Al Davis is alive,

There is no such thing as a long term answer.

So, NO

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 9, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply actions  

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