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The Uncapped Year Is Coming


On Sunday, ESPN.com broke a story: NFL to pull plug on $100 million revenue sharing. Many of started to speculate what this could mean for small market teams that already have trouble filling seats in their stadiums. Hidden in that story is that the NFL is planning and pretty much relying on 2010 to be an uncapped year. One of the side effects of the uncapped year is that players who used to require 4 or 5 years of service time to be eligible for free agency when their contracts run out will now need 6 years of service time. This affects the following Chargers who under the old rules were scheduled for unrestricted free agency in 2010: Vincent Jackson, Shawne Merriman, Marcus McNeill, Darren Sproles, Charlie Whitehurst and Tim Dobbins. Sproles, Merriman and Jackson all have 5 years of service time and McNeill, Whitehurst and Dobbins have 4 years following the 2009 season. The only way this happens any differently is if the CBA is re-negotiated before the 2010 free agent signing period, but I get the feeling that the NFL doesn't really want that to happen. I'll put it at 80-90% chance that 2010 goes uncapped at this point.

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This also impacts other teams. The following quality players will also fail to reach unrestricted free agency in 2010:

QB Jason Campbell, Washington

RB Jerious Norwood, Atlanta

RB Leon Washington, New York Jets

RB Lendale White, Tennessee

WR Miles Austin, Dallas

WR Braylon Edwards, New York Jets

WR Lee Evans, Buffalo

WR Brandon Marshall, Denver

TE Owen Daniels, Houston

TE Tony Scheffler, Denver

K Stephen Gostkowski, New England

P Sam Koch, Baltimore

OG Deuce Lutui, Arizona

OG Eugene Amano, Tennessee (Rancho Bernardo High alum)

OG David Baas, San Francisco

OG Logan Mankins, New England

OG Stephen Neal, New England

C Chris Spencer, Seattle

DT Tony Brown, Tennessee

DE Ray Edwards, Minnesota

DE Johnny Jolly, Green Bay

LB Thomas Davis, Carolina

LB Elvis Dumervil, Denver

LB Chris Gocong, Philadelphia

LB Thomas Howard, Oakland

LB D'Qwell Jackson, Cleveland

LB Kirk Morrison, Oakland

LB Barrett Ruud, Tampa Bay

LB Demeco Ryans, Houston

CB Marlin Jackson, Indianapolis

S Brodney Pool, Cleveland

S Dawan Landry, Baltimore

S Roman Harper, New Orleans

S Reed Doughty, Washington

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wow

GREAT post here a scary throuht i think there will be no NFL in 11 becarse the players and owners want diff things

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 7, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

Well they both want the same thing

$$$$$

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

but it will be a tug of war and unforter i fear football will be like baseball the cowboys will be the yankees and the wash will be the red sox and teams like gb jax stl ciny zona will not evan try to spend money

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 7, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

The funny thing is

Baseball players actually earn a higher percentage of league revenues that players do in any other sport. One might argue that the changes the owners are making would benefit the players, especially if the Cowboys, Giants, Redskins etc. can outspend. The problem for the players however are these restricted free agency rules. NFL players experience shorter careers than baseball players and by the time they got to free agency there wouldn’t be much reason for the owners to spend a ton of money on these guys. In baseball, one of the keys to building a successful franchise that wasn’t really understood by teams until late this decade is that you must draft well and get the maximum amount of value out of your players before they reach free agency. In the NFL, it seems to me that this is already happening. The majority of playoff team’s core players are guys that haven’t reached free agency yet and trying to keep together a core of guys that get old together ends up with an Kansas City Chiefs-like implosion (or more historically an early-2000s Tennessee Titans implosion). So, I’m not exactly sure how the small market teams would necessarily get priced out of the best players.

As for the smaller markets just tanking it and not spending money, it seems like if they were going to do that they would do it under revenue sharing where they’d just spend to the salary floor collect the revenue sharing check and let the fans suffer. If they try not to spend money under no revenue sharing then unless their fans basically treat the team like a local charity their operating profits will sink. I think the problem may be with teams that are run poorly by accident like the 2000s Lions under Millen. Teams like this would dig themselves such a deep hole revenue-wise from lack of attendance and revenue sharing that they won’t have the money to sign the top picks that they are being given. This will keep them as a talentless team for so long that the franchise won’t be viable business anymore.

Basically, a system without revenue sharing makes the teams more responsible for getting attendance figures and merchandise sales high. That doesn’t seem like such a bad thing to me. Teams like Pittsburgh and GB who are in small markets will do fine under this system as long as they continue to sell out games and given their passionate fan base that seems likely. However, teams like Jacksonville and Arizona might run into trouble, but that’s more of a sign that the NFL doesn’t really belong in those cities in the first place (especially Jacksonville) and revenue sharing was basically a crutch to make it look otherwise.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't mind the small markets losing their "crutch" so much

You’re correct that a locale such as Jacksonville had no business getting an NFL franchise. If this corrects that issue, so be it.

What bothers me is the disparities that may occur when large-market teams can spend at will. The cap goes a long way towards keeping the parity in the NFL.

Perhaps a 2011 work stoppage would make all parties stop to see what is reasonable with regards to player compensation & owner profits.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Dec 7, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

agree buck

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 7, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The question is

Even if they can spend at will, what will they spend it on?

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on the team

Uncle Al will continue to over-spend on track stars.
The Daniel will spend on that elusive QB & anyone else that he thinks can help him win THIS YEAR!!
Jerry Jones will be the biggest spender because Texas has to be the biggest at everything.
New England won’t spend that much because they seem to be able to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

And the list goes on …..

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Dec 8, 2009 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't count on Al being a big spender

Didn’t he have to sell part of the franchise to cover his costs a year or two ago? He doesn’t have the money to toss around like that, as much as we assume that all owners are multi billionairs.

by DanTails on Dec 8, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Al's never had real deep pockets

He basically used contract shananigans to gain majority ownership of the Raiders. He was just an NFL coach before becoming the ALF commissioner, then joined the Raiders as a general partner, but then drew up some contracts that he got another partner to sign it without knowing that clause was in there and he became the managing general partner. He then used his equity in the Raiders to buy out the shares from the other partners. He has no real money other than the Raider’s revenues.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

The only not-rich NFL owner.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 8, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought he meant the tv show.

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by Richard Wade on Dec 8, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to take back something here

Baseball players actually no longer get the highest percentage of league revenues. They did a recently as 2003 where it peaked at 63% of league revenues. Since then owners have closed their wallets a little and it’s at 52%. The NFL is 59% as negotiated by their CBA and its the highest. This info came from SportsBusiness Journal.

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by Wonko on Dec 9, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Any idea what the deadlines are

for avoiding an uncapped year in 2010?

and then for avoiding the eventual league shutdown in 2011?

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 7, 2009 3:50 PM PST reply actions  

I assume

That to avoid the uncapped 2010 they need a new CBA before the free agent signing period begins. However, if you recall in 2006 they had something similar where they needed to do something before the free agent signing period began and they basically just delayed the start of that period until they hammered it out. I do not foresee the owners even coming to the negotiating table to revamp the CBA before 2010 at this point.

For 2011 the lockout would basically start at the conclusion of the Super Bowl. It remains to be seen if either will want to come to the bargaining table before that. Usually, waiting until the last minute for these things helps one side get leverage, however I’m not sure who would gain that leverage in this case.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

PFT writes about this alot.

Florio seems to think there’s a good chance a new deal will get done before the deadline once the NFLPA realizes an uncapped year would be bad for many of the players.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That assumes

That the owners would want to get a deal done too. So far, it seems like they don’t want to. Last I heard the NFLPA head was waiting to be able to negotiate.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It's always hard to tell the difference

between what one of these groups wants and what they are posturing for to gain leverage later on. I think the owners are talking tough about wanting an uncapped year. While they may mean it, I could also see that they are just trying to draw the players attention to some of the drawbacks of an uncapped year. One of the major drawbacks to an uncapped year for the owners si that it might be impossible to get back to a capped situation (as the union has said they won’t go back to a salary cap if it goes away). And I think over the long term and uncapped league is a detriment to most of the owners (It really only benefits the 4-5 big market teams out there, and hurts the rest)

I tend to agree that there is an 80% chance of an uncapped year and a lockout is probably slightly less than 50% chance.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 8, 2009 6:24 AM PST up reply actions  

???

does it make it harder to sign those charger players next year?

by BFTB_zach on Dec 7, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Please dont turn into baseball.

I dont want the deepest pockets to win the Super Bowl every year (Yankees cough cough)

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 7, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions  

Baseball has had more diversity among champions than almost any other sport

In the last 25 years, baseball has seen 16 champions, football only 13.
In the last 20 years, they are tied with 12.
In the last 10 years, baseball has 8 and football 7.

I don’t think the salary structure will have that much of an effect on league champion diversity. And, as I keep saying (and nobody has a counter-argument yet), I just don’t see where this extra money gets spent. Free agents won’t be available until they are near the end of their primes.There will still be a draft, so there won’t really have an opportunity to pay higher prices for young talent without drafted players going all Eli Manning (and the NFL already wants to slot the draft picks salaries). I guess they could outbid everyone for RFAs and give up draft picks, but you can only get one of those a year because you only have one 1st round pick. It will be tough for a team to spend its way to a championship.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

It kind of depends on how long it takes to become a free agent

which will be part of the new CBA. But I think there are plenty of positions where the player is coming into his prime at around the 5 year mark. For top players at most positions on the footbally field, they can expect to sign two big FA contracts over the course of their career. RB is the exception. Some positions (like WR and QB) typically don’t even really mature until they are a year or two away from FA.

If they make the UFA time around 6 years or more, you’re right, if it is 4-5 years, then I think there will be more legit FAs available who are coming into their prime and can expect to have another 5-10 years of good production

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 8, 2009 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

The Yankees

Have been in seven of the World Series in the last 20 years, and it isn’t because of brilliant management or coaching, they just spend multiple times what the small market teams do. I used to love baseball, but the field is so uneven now as to be preposterous. I’d hate to see football go that way. Baseball’s TV revenue is roughly 1/6th that of footballs and part of the reason is nobody wants to watch the Yankees run roughshod over the rest of the league. It’s like watching someone with a Corvette racing folks with Yugos. The Yankees spent virtually five times what the Padres did on payroll, the Mets and Cubs a little more than three times as much. In contrast the team in football with the smallest payroll is around 80 million and the largest like 145 in 2008 and that is much worse than usual because of the rising cap. The Padres had to trade Peavy because they couldn’t pay him; the Bolts are able to lock down Rivers for the next six years.

And the extra money will get spent by the Redskins and Dallas locking down all the premier free agent talent by outbidding the rest of the NFL for it. Salaries will skyrocket for the premier players.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 8, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I think this is an overreaction

Or at the very least a kneejerk one.

I also think your thoughts on baseball are quite off, but its not the time (because it would take lots) or place to discuss this.

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by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Mets and Cubs suck-- What's your point?

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Since 2001-- you tell me which league is uneven? btw Marlins annually bottom 5 in payroll TWO WS wins in 12 years...

Patriots Dbacks
Bucs Angels
Patriots Marlins
Patriots Red Socks
Steelers White Socks
Colts Cardinals
Giants Red Socks
Steelers Phillies
???? Yankees

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Also how many undefeated teams in MLB? 3 in the last three years in the NFL

Very rarely even any MLB teams with 16+ win streaks. OR an awful team like the Padres with a 10+ game winning streak.

The worst teams in baseball are going to beat the best teams in baseball….that never happens in the NFL

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you sure about that?

One of the issues about Football is that it’s really, really hard to determine who is truly the best team because they play so few games, and one game between two teams hardly shows who is truly the better of them.

Baseball is probably one of the few sports that could get away without a playoff, like the BCS. When you play 160 games, you get a much better picture on who the best team during the season was then if you just play 16.

by DanTails on Dec 8, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I Disagree

If you look at the top five payroll baseball teams, they went 437-373 a .540 win percentage; the top five football teams went 36-44, not even a winning record, only one went to the playoffs. On the flip side the bottom five teams in the NFL went 42-38, actually winning more than they lost, three went to the playoffs. The bottom five in baseball? They went 358-451 for a .443 winning average, nary a one made the playoffs. These tables come out a bit skewed up in comments, but here are the details:

Top five teams payroll
Basball Ws Ls Win %
Yanks 103 59 0.6358
Mets 70 92 0.4320
Cubs 83 78 0.5155
Red Sox 95 67 0.5864
Tigers 86 77 0.5276
Total 437 373 0.5395

Fball Ws Ls Win %
Raiders 5 11 0.3125
Cboys 9 7 0.5625
Vikings 10 6 0.625
Browns 4 12 0.25
Saints 8 8 0.5
Total 36 44 0.45

Lowest five:
Bball Ws Ls Win %
Padres 75 87 0.4629
Marlins 87 75 0.5370
Pirates 62 99 0.3850
Nats 59 103 0.3641
Athletics 75 87 0.4629
Totals 358 451 0.4425

Fball Ws Ls Win %
Chiefs 2 14 0.125
Ravens 11 5 0.6875
Patriots 11 5 0.6875
Colts 12 4 0.75
Packers 6 10 0.375
Totals 42 38 0.525

Yugo teams in baseball may get lucky once in a while, but generally they get lapped by the Corvettes. I think it is far more level in football. And it’s not like the high revenue teams are clever, they just have a monopoly in a highly populated area/area with corporate HQs.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 8, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you explain

The same two teams winnings 5 out of the last 8 SuperBowls then?

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The Mets and Cubs anually are in the top 5 of payroll

The Cubs haven’t won since 1908!

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Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

The Mets since 1986!

Detroit was #5 in payroll last season. Haven’t won since 1984 (blah).
Houston #8 Have never won a WS and have only been ONCE.
Seattle #9 nearly $100 Million in payroll…..NEVER EVEN BEEN TO A WORLD SERIES….ever!

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Management

Good Players and some luck. What I’m saying is they aren’t buying their way into the big game; it’s a more level playing field. It has as much to do with drafting talent as who happens to live near the big population center; that’s why the Steelers can thrive while the Pirates are irrelevant.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 8, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I would have to say good management,

However, this problem with the same NFL teams winning often in the super bowl would only get worse; Colts/Patriots etc… would be the highest budget teams. At the very least, the Redskins may be provided with hope

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 8, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The haves and have nots

in football clearly aren’t defined by salary like baseball. But, nevertheless there are haves and have nots (as tec points out) and it probably has to do with the way the revenue is shared. Baseball is by no means perfect and I think I agree that football shouldn’t become like baseball because why emulate a non-perfect system better to gamble on a different system. That seems to be what the NFL wants to do. Personally, I’m not sure which way the NFL should go, but I’m not going to criticize them because the teams that bring in the most money no longer want to use it prop teams that aren’t run as well.

I also want to add that the Steelers are successful not because of revenue sharing (I’m willing to bet that they don’t get much), they are successful because their fan base supports one of the winningest franchises in the NFL where 4 of their championships came before revenue sharing, salary caps and big money TV deals. That city leaves and breathes Steeler football (and really all football down to Pitt, Penn State and all the Western Pennsylvania High School football) in a way that just isn’t true for the Pirates.

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by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

They leave it?

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 8, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess not

I’m going to assume I meant “live” it makes more sense than “leave”, donchathink?

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t like to assume, Wonko.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 9, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I also want to add that the Steelers are successful not because of revenue sharing (I’m willing to bet that they don’t get much), they are successful because their fan base supports one of the winningest franchises in the NFL where 4 of their championships came before revenue sharing, salary caps and big money TV deals.

Revenue sharing started in the 60’s so I’m not sure what you mean there; and caps were much less important before free agency. There is also a lot of chicken/egg here. They get other revenue because they are good. They can be good because of the revenue sharing, if they had to squeeze into a payroll one sixth the size of the Cowboys they would be losing lots more games, if they are losing games a lot of their fans and revenue on shirts, etc go by the wayside. Without TV revenue sharing, teams like Dallas/New York/DC would make out like bandits on exclusive TV contracts; without that money to keep their premium players the Steelers would not be that good. Look what happens to their defense when Polamalu goes down.

As I think about the Padres, they end up dumping premier players like Peavy, and probably soon Gonzalez and Bell because small market teams can’t afford to keep premier players. It’s bad for the sport in my opinion, and I think it shows up in the World series ratings which are half of what they used to be. At least that’s why I don’t watch any more.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I still think you're creating a false dichotomy

With baseball in football. Just because they stop sharing revenue doesn’t mean that football becomes like baseball. It can be something else.

Also, there is no mention that there will be exclusive TV contracts. It is unlikely that they will terminate their contracts with Fox, CBS, ESPN and NBC so I don’t think that part of revenue sharing will disappear, but will probably be tweaked. From what I recall, the owners want to get rid of much of the revenue sharing that comes from ticket sales, which I think is a weird policy to begin with.

Here’s an old article that talks about some the issues owners have with revenue sharing. One of the key things seems to be that $100 million doesn’t seem like a lot to actually grant parity. Each team’s payroll is now over $100 million so if say 20 teams are getting revenue sharing, that’s only an average of an extra $5 million per team. If there really is a big discrepancy in revenues like baseball then maybe 25 teams split it and that’s an average of $4 million a team. Or to put it another way, if the amount of money spent on payroll is 32 x $100 million, then only 1/32 (~3%) of the payroll in the NFL is covered by revenue sharing. No wonder the NFL has a parity issue.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 9, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

this whole argument is a bit of a Rabbit Trail

since the NFL will probably always sell their TV rights as a group and will always equally share that revenue and that shared TV revenue will probably always make up around 70% of a teams revenue. That alone will keep football from becoming baseball.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 10, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

70%?

$100 million was all they shared last year and that was TV, plus Gatorade, plus ticket sales. So, let’s be generous and say $80 million is the TV revenue. That’s 70% of the team’s revenue? That means the league as whole would pull in $114 million in revenue total. That doesn’t make sense.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 10, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the TV revenue is actually around $120M per team

from forbes. the 70% number is a rough guess since $120M is roughly the salary cap and the salary cap is roughly 70% of the total revenue.

The $100M that got cut was a supplemental sharing figure for the whole league that was taken from the rich teams and shared among the poor. From what I read, no poor team got more than $10M from that.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 10, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting

No wonder Jerry Jones wanted this supplemental revenue sharing cut. With the TV money covering most the payroll and even the poorer teams still selling out many of their games the supplemental revenue in all likelihood was just adding to the profit margins for poorer teams. Charity without parity, good riddance.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 10, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm curious to know whether we might be able to throw around money in an uncapped year.

could we be somewhat competitive with some of the “haves”? or can we at least lock up our essential players long term?

by Gorditoe1 on Dec 11, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

They are taking steps

down the primrose path. Uncapped removes the upper boundary for teams with large payrolls, less sharing removes a prop for low end teams; it as a bad trend.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 10, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

this is perhaps the first step

but TV revenue is still the main component of all the teams’ revenue, and I don’t think that will ever not be shared. Plus, I think the league wide revenues that are shared show the greatest promise of growing. Things like the DirectTV contract that didn’t exist 10 years ago, now dumps $20M a year into each team. The Internet delivery of live and historical games is another source that makes so much more sense on a league wide basis and therefore pretty much has to be shared.

So I think you’re always gong to have a much higher baseline of revenue in the NFL than you do in baseball. I don’t think we are ever going to see the revenue differences between the top teams and bottom teams in the NFL that you see in baseball.

As you said, we may lose the upper boundary, but I think we’ll always have the lower end revenue prop for the Green Bays of the world.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 10, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless

Those teams decide to just pocket the cash as profit, but I think it would hurt some owners’ egos to do that and see their team lose.

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by Wonko on Dec 10, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

it would be interesting

to see how closely baseball team revenues correspond to their player payroll. I’d guess the correlation would be pretty close.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 10, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The worst teams in baseball are going to beat the best teams in baseball….that never happens in the NFL

The Super Bowl Champs have lost to both KC and Oakland this year. On any given Sunday…

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 8, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Different year, different teams, different players, different coaches

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 8, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

dat is just ruining da perfect sport

by BFTB_zach on Dec 7, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Sproles is a UFA regardless

since he was franchised this year.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 8, 2009 3:02 AM PST reply actions  

I really can't find any evidence that supports that claim.

I’ve seen some things that say that if the franchise tag is withdrawn that the player becomes a UFA, but I think that assumes that he would be eligible for UFA. Sproles will not be eligible for UFA under the new rules, and I can’t seem to find anything that covers that corner case.

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by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

so I was browsing through the CBA...

seriously, its right here
And I noticed that in Article XIX, Section 2, subsections (b)(i)(2-5) (around page 59) it states that if a restricted free agent is given a tender offer it must either be the typical value depending on the draft pick tender, or 110% or their prior year’s salary, whichever is greater. Since our man Sproles made something like $5.5Mill last year, he gets to take home $6Mill or so if he is tendered an RFA offer.

It doesn’t seem clear what happens to someone who was an UFA and now due to the uncapped year is once again a RFA. In practicality, it doesn’t seem to matter a whole lot for Sproles since I think the 110% rule means he will effectively be a UFA (since I don’t think we will spend $6M on him next year)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 9, 2009 6:15 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Nice work

Rec’d

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by John Gennaro on Dec 9, 2009 7:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Definitely

Good work. Is it safe to assume that the the wording for that article doesn’t change with the uncapped year?

He’s still an RFA by this logic, but the Chargers will most likely non-tender him.

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by Wonko on Dec 9, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

stupid %#*^ing owners

while they may not kill the golden goose, it could definitely hurt it, for a while anyways. my beloved NHL may never recover (here in the states anyways) from the lock out of a few years ago.
 the only glaring problem i see in the current system is the need for a rookie cap(and maybe having a computer autopick the raiders, browns and rams drafts)

by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Dec 8, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions  

I'm looking at the list of free agents above

And if I have to pick ONE guy the Chargers will pick up to make a big splash, I want it to be Kirk Morrison. Yes, it looks like Siler and/or Dobbins are in line to fill the spot that will likely be left by Cooper’s departure, but:

1. He went to SDSU. That’s always nice.
2. Our linebackers will be scary again. Burnett is a missile when healthy, Philips can still blitz and English is all heart— he plays flat-out and personally I think his production will improve in the next few years. Could he be the piece that gets us “over the hump”? Actually, I hope we get over the hump this year, but he will in fact aid the team greatly.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 11, 2009 9:00 PM PST reply actions  

You'd really want to give up a 1st and a 3rd rounder

And pay him big bucks to come here?

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by Wonko on Dec 11, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, my bad

I thought those were the UFAs, not the RFAs

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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 12, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Good call. :)

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 12, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

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