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Bolts & Dolts: Chargers at Browns

Has everyone calmed down from yesterday?  Is everyone willing to admit that maybe that soft zone defense we saw in the fourth quarter, and on the Browns' first drive, was done as a way to manage the game instead of dominating it?  That's what I believe anyways.

For anyone who thinks the Chargers "played down" to their opponents, there's this.  The Chargers scored 27 unanswered points.  That's more points than Cleveland scored all game.  If you take the score of the 2nd and 3rd quarters, the score is 17-0 Chargers.  If you take the score of the first 3 quarters, it's 27-7.

My philosophy is this.  That first drive was a test.  Kindof a "Let's see if they can throw on this" and they could.  Then it was scrapped and the defense started stopping the Browns on every drive, and the offense started putting up points.  With a 20 point lead heading into the fourth quarter, as many backups as possible came in and the message became "Avoid Injury".  Coach Rivera figured that even if he played zone, avoiding giving up big plays and allowing short passes underneath, the Browns would take so much time that they'd never be able to catch up.  And he was right.

Onto Bolts and Dolts.

Star-divide

Bolts

 

Offense

Antonio Gates - 8 catches, 167 yds.  Gatesy goes first, even before the QB, because that was the best game I've ever seen from him.  Outside of the game where Kellen Winslow took over the world, I think that's the best game I've ever seen from a TE ever.  Not only was he everywhere, catching everything and making the Browns look foolish, but he also bailed out Philip Rivers (who threw to him in double-coverage a couple of times) with some amazing catches that just shouldn't have happened.

Philip Rivers - 18/25, 373 yds, 2 TD.  Finishing the game with a QB rating over 140 will get you a Bolt every time.  This wasn't the easy game for him that everybody thought it would be either.  Cleveland brought pressure, even sacking him once, and seemed to play very well on his star WRs.  Finding the mismatches with Gates, Darren Sproles and Mike Tolbert was the work of a smart, veteran QB.

LaDainian Tomlinson - 20 carries, 64 rush yds, 1 rush TD, 1 catch, 21 rec yds.  Somebody said that LT didn't even get 3 yards per carry in this game, but they're mistaken.  3.2 yards per carry as a matter of fact.  Here's what I saw from LT yesterday: smart, patient running mixed with good pass-blocking.  That play at the end of the first half, where he could've went upfield but instead stepped out of bounds to stop the clock and give the offense another shot at the endzone, showed no ego and was a play that a younger RB probably doesn't make. 

Anyways, all of those things above make LT an "Almost Bolt".  Saluting Jim Brown, after the things Brown said about LT in his preseason interview with Adrian Peterson, makes him incredibly classy and gets him a Bolt.  Also, standing on the sidelines next to Norv and talking about the offense helps his standing as well.

Legedu Naanee/Mike Tolbert.  In my Larry English rant earlier this week, I was saying that playoff and Super Bowl teams need to get contributions from their rookies.  Well, getting contributions from their young projects is just as good. 

Naanee didn't get many chances to catch the ball in Cleveland, no chances at all actually.  However, when his number was called to catch the ball and then throw a spiral downfield to a wide open Tomlinson he did so and made it look very easy.  A key play, because you could argue that Nate Kaeding wouldn't have hit the end-of-the-half FG without it.

Mike Tolbert's play was great.  His speed, with his body size, is just so unexpected.  He was the check-down receiver and got the ball because Cleveland brought a bunch of blitzers.  Luckily, he also had a bunch of blockers in front of him (including Vincent Jackson, who almost killed somebody on the play).  That had nothing to do with the right playcall, and everything to do with the Chargers players making plays.

 

Defense

Shaun Phillips - 4 tackles, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble, 1 defended pass.  The boy from Philly has been playing out of his mind lately.  This game was no exception.  I love that his new move, when he gets to the QB, is to grab their throwing arm while hitting them.  It's caused so many fumbles, and they're all game-changers.  He probably has no chance of getting there, but Shaun deserves a Pro Bowl nod this season.

 

Special Teams

Nate Kaeding - 3/3 FGs, 3/3 XPs.  The only kicker that's having a year as good or better than Nate's this season is David Akers in Philadelphia.  Those should be your Pro Bowl starters, without any question.  Nate has become automatic from about 48 yards and in this season.

 

Dolts

 

Offense

There were no offensive Dolts this week.

 

Defense

There were no defensive Dolts this week.

 

 

Almost Bolts

Darren Sproles - Sproles played a very good game on offense, running the ball effectively and making the most of his screen passes.  That would've been enough for a Bolt, but again we have the same issues as weeks past.  I know Darren is a bright guy, but it seems like when the ball is in the air on kickoff or punts he becomes an idiot. 

First, there was the kickoff return where he grabbed the ball and jumped out of bounds.  I don't know why he felt the need to grab the ball and jump out of bounds, instead of simply letting the ball go out of bounds and taking the field at the 40, but he did.  I guess you could argue he wanted to make sure the Browns didn't get to it, but it really didn't seem like any of them were near the ball to me.  Just a dumb play.

Second, and stop me if this sounds familiar, another play where Sproles refuses to call fair-catch and gets absolutely hammered by Josh Cribbs the second he touches the ball.  I'll give him credit, he seems to do a good job of holding onto the ball in this situation, but one of these days he's going to fumble it in a big spot or get injured that way.  FAIR CATCH THE BALL.  We would much rather have a safe catch than a 1 yard loss and a heart attack.

At this point, if Sproles was taken off returns for a while, I would be happy about it.

Brandon Siler - He was strong against the run and effective against the pass as well.  If Stephen Cooper wasn't the captain and wasn't calling the plays, he would've lost his job to Siler by now.

Vincent Jackson - Made a big catch with guys draped all over him.  Made a big block to spring Tolbert's TD.  The defense is sending more and more coverage at him, and it's just making him work harder.  That's a great sign.

 

Almost Dolts

Kevin Ellison - The leading tackler for the Chargers was also the guy who couldn't cover Evan Moore at all.  Every time Brady Quinn saw that matchup, he attacked.

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Gates made some incredible catches

the Tolbert run was awesome, Rivers had another kick ass game and LT passed Jim Brown on the all-time rushing leader list.

i was at yesterday’s game and there was no mention of it at the stadium. i thought it would be cool to see LT do it in CLE but it was a bit disappointing they didn’t acknowledge it.

by boltsgamedayfootball on Dec 7, 2009 8:23 AM PST reply actions  

I really like how Siler has come on

At the beginning of the year I really thought his ceiling was just a special teams stud/short yardage guy. But he has come on and shown he is worthy of the starting spot and even does very well as an every down guy. It’s the magical third year for him and I think it is all coming together for him.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 7, 2009 8:25 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I could see him taking over for Cooper next season. Siler is 6 years younger and appears to be Cooper’s on-field superior in every way. It just depends on how much of a leader Cooper is in the locker room

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't see

How Siler would be any better in zone coverages than Cooper. I think Siler looks good because he’s a role player and teams don’t game plan to beat him. If he was a starter I think his weaknesses would get exposed, but since he’s not we haven’t really noticed them yet.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

What I’m saying is that I don’t think he’s any worse. I also think he’s better against the run and significantly younger.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not confident he’s as good as Cooper. I’m not sold on Cooper as much more than slightly above average if that, though, so I’d be fine with finding out if Siler can at least match that because he’s younger and better in at least one aspect.

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Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Cooper is having a down year.

He was very good in 2007, and once he got up to speed was very good in 2008. I’m hoping this year was the exception rather than the rule.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm talking about this year.

Hopefully you’re right.

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Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll find out.

Though I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting a stud LB this spring if one were available.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Nor would I. Our front seven needs help.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Cooper has problems getting to the edge on run plays to the outside. He looks really slow out there. I know he’s the leader and calls the plays, but the looks terrible against the run.

by BORTZ on Dec 7, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

ILB should be a priority

We need a real fire-eating presence in the middle. Someone like a McClain or Spikes. Since they’ll likely be gone, wouldn’t mind seeing Micah Johnson fall to us in the 2nd.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Dec 7, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

If we can't get a top guy like McClain or Spikes

I think he need someone that can run and tackle, but maybe isn’t as big of a hitter. Someone who can clean up those edges in the run game like BORTZ points out. Micah Johnson doesn’t appear to be 2nd round pick worthy (he has a 4th – 6th round grade from the couple of sites I see). A guy who might fit that description who has a 2nd round grade would be Sean Weatherspoon from Missouri. This comment seems to fit some of the skills we’re looking for:

Overall tackling skills are adequate-to-good but not great. Does a nice job of breaking down in the open field. While it’s not always pretty, he consistently wraps up and gets his man down. Only real knock here is that he does not display explosive initial pop as a hitter, which is partially a byproduct of his lack of elite closing burst.

Good range in coverage. Shows a deep drop in zone. Has better-than-average instincts in coverage and does a nice job of reading the quarterback’s eyes. He’s becoming more of a playmaker when the ball is in the air. His ball skills are adequate. Shows some rip and swim moves as a pass rusher. Will never be great in this area but certainly has the speed and tackling skills to contribute on occasion in the NFL.

Another option might be Sean Lee from Penn State, but he’s not as fast despite being smaller.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds good to me.

by BORTZ on Dec 7, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Angerer is a possibilty as well

I think you’ll see Johnson moving up the boards. I can see someone like Philly nabbing Weatherspoon.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Dec 8, 2009 6:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Angerer because of his temper

He’s probably not as physically talented as Weatherspoon (and definitely needs work to reach the level of Spikes and McClain) but he’s a solid player, he’s fast enough to help on the outside, and he’s a mean, scary, Shawne Merriman kind of guy —hopefully minus the taste in women.

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Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 12, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Siler and Ellison the rookie are working out for this team

A testament to the importance of adding physical players with excellent football instincts, in which this defense lacked earlier this year and last year. I love the way everything is lining up

by RamCharger on Dec 7, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely agree with the almost dolt

I was also going to say CJ Spillman in coverage. He sucked worse than Ellison. He did a fine job smashing in Cribbs though. I would have loved, LOVED to see Weddle laying a hammer hit instead of spillman, but it was good anyway. I’m still dissappointed in the run game. I know LT isn’t his old self, and Sproles isn’t the most capable runner, but I could have bet my car that LT would have a 100 yard game against a half injured cleveland Dline, but both Dielman (Dielman, seriously???) and Mooch were failing on their runblocking. I also saw some plays where I thought to myself, oh wow, the secondary is playing off, LT will get a big gain here… and It ends up being sproles running for 3 yards. He lacks a little patience when running. Tomlinson gets respect when he’s in the backfield, and I think that makes it easier on Rivers to exploit a matchup to a receiver. Sproles gets respect, but with linebackers spying for a screen, not a run between the tackles. Either way, I hope next week the run game can get going against a very solid Dallas line, and I really hope Merriman and Castillo, who I want to nickname El Toro, play hard. They’ll both be needed.

by Superduperboltman on Dec 7, 2009 8:25 AM PST reply actions  

It's been 12 games

I don’t think the running game is suddenly going to get going.

Also, Weddle doesn’t play special teams.

Bolts are given to people who play above expectations. Dolts for people who play below them. Spillman played just about as I expected him to. Which isn’t to say that he has no future, but there’s a reason he’s been inactive most weeks. Him and Vaughn Martin are projects, not polished NFL players.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

"Dolts for people who play below [expectations]"

I guess that explains Jacob Hester’s absence from the Dolt list.

by sirbud on Dec 7, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

He made some good blocks and only had one carry. It evened out.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Jacob Hester does nothing for me. He’s just a guy. I’d give Tolbert the ball every time instead.

by jgogek on Dec 7, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

STers are people too

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

he’s great on special teams, but looked terrible on that 4th and inches play. No leg drive. No burst.

by BORTZ on Dec 7, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Fullbacks typically aren’t good at carrying the ball. Remember LoNeal?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 8, 2009 3:05 AM PST up reply actions  

But isn’t Hester more naturally a Half Back?

by gman87 on Dec 8, 2009 4:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but that doesn’t mean he’s a better runner than he is a blocker. Blocking takes intelligence and effort, which he has. Running takes speed and athletic ability, which he doesn’t have a ton of.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 8, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

John, that's too much of a blanket statement

They may not be the shifty, fast, game-breakers that you like in a tailback, but there have been & continue to be those who can pound at the tough yards consistently. It’s just different styles. You can’t base them all on Lo’s strengths & weaknesses.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

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by Buck Melanoma on Dec 8, 2009 6:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I still say the vast majority of them aren’t good runners.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 8, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Fine. If he is gonna run the ball like Neal, then he had better block like him.

by BORTZ on Dec 8, 2009 7:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Weddle...

I may be mistaken if I believe I’ve seen him on a few punts then, I’ve even seen Jammer on some punt coverage. Is there a special teams rotation?? It seems like there is a rotation with the gunners and the wings…

by Superduperboltman on Dec 7, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea

I havent seen Weddle on punt coverage this year, aside for the Giants game. I think Jammer had to cover kick offs on that game too. We were really short on line backers if I remember right.
I’ll see if i can come up with a STs list; it interests me because I was one of the scrubs who had to cover kicks in college.

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Jammer and Cro

are definitely both out on punt returns. I seem to recall that a lot of the starting defense stays out for punt returns.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

and I just mean for the returns

Not the punt coverage unit.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

hmmm

maybe it’s just me, but i find that picture really awkward cuz Elam’s hand is all up in Antonio’s man-junk.

by ghsu on Dec 7, 2009 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

Yikes

I didn’t realize that before.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I didnt realize it either, I’m wondering what it says about the people who did

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

good read

i agree 100%.

and cooper technically did lose his job to siler.
Siler is now the Mike linebacker and cooper moved over to where whilhelm used to play.

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by cameronm on Dec 7, 2009 9:36 AM PST reply actions  

I think Cooper has been there since last season though.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

siler is a much better fit for the Mike backer

Mike backer tends to be more of a big hitter and run stopper, where as Cooper’s current position (I think it is called the Mo backer) is more sideline to sideline.

What cooper really brings is the knowledge of what to do at any given time. He knows how to adjust and serves as Rivera’s second brain on the field. I’m a little disappointed in his actual play this year, but his play has been good enough considering everything else he brings to the table.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 7, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

agree completely

and i heard cooper talking about it in an interview.
he moved over just a couple weeks ago. he was the mike before the emergence of siler.

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by cameronm on Dec 7, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know if Cooper is fast enough to play sideline to sideline. It looks like he gets beat to the edge a lot. The Chargers DE inability to hold the edge and Cooper’s inability to get to it=them long outside runs on plays that look like sure stops.

by BORTZ on Dec 7, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Still not sure Kaeding

deserved a Bolt his kickoffs were pathetic. You can say “he was directional kicking” or “trying to get more air under the ball”.

But come on Id like to see the ball kicked into the end zone once a game, I dont remember him getting it inside the 10.

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

Maintenance game

Maintained our lead in the AFCW, our momentum, & our health. Our guys & coaches played a smart game without putting anyone in line to really get injured.

Now we enter e tough stretch with some key guys hopefully a week healthier.

My boy Tolbert rocks.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Dec 7, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

what do you guys think about Hardwick not playing again?

with the offense playing as well as it is, if you guys were the headcoach, would you bring him back this late in the season?

I’m worried they’ll bring him back outta respect, but is it best for the team?

by nicklusk on Dec 7, 2009 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

I dont have problem

with Mooch continuing to play. Personally I think he deserves a shot at the starting job.

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

Maybe a shot, but to have a fair competition Hardwick needs to play too.

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by TritonEye on Dec 7, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s simply not as good as Hardwick. I don’t see the point.

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Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

. s a point

He is playing much better than Hardwick recently.

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you trying not to make sense?

Because that was some excellent execution there if you were.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

technically true

Mooch has played better than Hardwick in almost every game this year, ESPECIALLY recently…

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 7, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Hardwick played 1 game this year

How can you judge any performance he has done recently?
He is a Pro Bowl Center. I love that Mooch has progressed and become a better center but he doesn’t have the track record that Hardwick has had.

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by Dude52089 on Dec 7, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Easy

Its easy for me to judge Hardwicks performance, I just look at his production this year. Which after I add it up is zero. Then I look at Mooches performance which is better than zero in my observation.
Not sure why everyone is so sure he’ll just return and be better than Moochie, he seems to be getting worse not better.

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a very strange argument

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

AirNorval is a very strange person

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 7, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Hardwick hasn’t played recently. What are you talking about?

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by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

CBS Rapid report says...

C Nick Hardwick’s attempted comeback from ankle surgery has taken another detour. Norv Turner said Hardwick had a setback late last week that led to a medical exam. The former Pro Bowler might return within three weeks, Turner said, but is a “longshot” to play at Dallas.

by slimsocal678 on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

He was replying to the comment
He is playing much better than Hardwick recently.

Where as Hardwick has been out since week 1.

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by Dude52089 on Dec 7, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

wow, the chargers go through centers faster than any team I've ever seen

since courtney hall, the chargers have just been a merry-go-round at that position. not to mention, Hardwick supplanted another pretty good center that lasted just a few years… I think.

by podpeople on Dec 7, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Hardwick isn’t going anywhere and this is his sixth year as the starter.

I don’t remember Jason Ball being all that great.

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Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember Ball being pretty darn good

But he had some attitude issues and a feud with management.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

True

As I recall he was holding out when hardwick was a rookie. As soon as the FO saw hardwick could play, Ball seemed to drop off the face of the planet

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 7, 2009 6:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Three weeks.

By that time we’ll be on the eve of the post-season. May be too late.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like a wasted roster spot

I like Hardwick; I’m not calling for Moochie to be the starter next year. Im just wondering why we would switch horses in mid stream. Obviously Hardwick is hobbled, and Moochie isnt playing poorly.

We have much bigger problems then center, considering Big Mac is in a walking boot and we have Dumbo playing RT while Runyan learns the play book.

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not a wasted roster spot

Because who else would you activate for the 45? Also what if Mooch gets hurt? Hardwick was mainly kept around for the stretch run/playoffs.

by SJO on Dec 9, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I was the one who said under 3 ypc

It was off a guess but he did play well, I just didn’t think the numbers were there but you are right showing class proved he should of got a bolt.

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by Dude52089 on Dec 7, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

Bolt = above expectations

3.2 yards per carry is what is expected. The classiness put him over the top.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The sad part is

3.2 yds per carry is what is expected from LT this year. I know there isn’t a lot of room for him to run, but I still don’t see him breaking many tackles or making too many guys miss. He seems to get whats there and then goes down pretty easy.
In the off season I think RB is as big a priority as the D Line.

by JeromeB on Dec 7, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

This hasn't got much play here

But the story ESPN broke about the owner’s getting rid of revenue sharing seems to tip their hand that 2010 will be uncapped (because their argument for why they can get rid of revenue sharing seems to rest on the uncapped year being in place, otherwise they’d have to negotiate for that in the CBA). That means that we can probably stop speculating that Merriman, Jackson, McNeill, Dobbins, Whitehurst and Sproles will be UFAs this offseason. I’ll put the odds between 80 and 90% now that they will all be RFAs. Basically, the only way it doesn’t happen that way is if the NFL and NFLPA negotiate a new CBA in the offseason.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

eh

I’ll make this a fanpost. Probably a better place for a conversation about it. I also want to list off some other guys on other teams that get affected.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Sproles will still be a FA, as will Malcom Floyd.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Not according to the rules I see

Sproles will only have 5 years of service time, he will need 6 to be eligible for UFA. Floyd will have the required 6 years of service time to be eligible.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

because sproles was franchised tho

they would have to pay him an addition 10% of what they paid him this year

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by cameronm on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

since he was franchised, his RFA tender will be his franchise number + 10%, which effectively makes him an unrestricted free agent.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 7, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

is it 10 percent

Hmm i thought it was more, and I think a guy franchised a 2nd time can take top 5 salary at his position or a percentage pay increase which ever is greater.

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

If I understand right...

To franchise a player: Top 5 average.
To franchise the same player a second time: +10%.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess what confuses me

Is that if they take the franchise tag off of him, he then becomes an RFA (because by rule he won’t be eligible for UFA like he was last year). I wouldn’t think that his RFA tender would be similar to his franchise tag value. Normal restricted free agents have fixed contract tender values that equate to what compensation the team would get if another team signed him. To guarantee a 1st and 3rd they would need to tender $2.792 million. Maybe there are different rules for restricted free agents who had the franchise tag on them the previous year, but I haven’t found them yet.

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by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I know how much is on the line in making this statement

But I think Sproles is indestructible. I’ve never once even seen him even get to his feet slowly. He always bounces right back up.

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by Axion on Dec 7, 2009 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah

He had that busted leg early, but I swear I’ve seen him popping out of a little Sproles shaped indentation in the grass more than once.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 7, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

How do we feel about Dombrowski

He seemed to hold his own in the last few games. He hasn’t really been tested. I’m not as paniced as I thought I was going to be, especially with big John Runyan to pick up any slack.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 7, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

i agree

i was really worried about him, but he seems to be playing really well.

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by cameronm on Dec 7, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I re-watched the first quarter+ last night

and I think Dombrowski got pretty used. He really did not look good. I think I was a little deceived because he didn’t give up sacks, but he blew multiple run blocks and got pushed around a lot on passing plays. He may have come on later in the game, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see Runyan starting the rest of the way.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 8, 2009 6:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Bad joke. Rec'd.

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by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s amazing that Jacob Hester and Mike Tolbert seem to be among the first people (Along with Kassim) to reach the kick off/punt return man on special teams. It doesn’t get much air on TV, but Tolbert is invaluable in kick offs and punts, not only for his production when the clock is running, but he does what Rivers does for the offense and Merriman does for the defense… get the special teams unit fired up. The broadcast is usually at a commercial break, but every time the Chargers kick off, Tolbert is rousing up the fans and the kick off unit, and they seem to be responding to it. I know the fans are.

by SteelAngel2000 on Dec 7, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions  

Turner says in press conference today

that he’s optimistic Merriman and Castillo will play, while Acee tweets they may miss it.

We really need them back. We’ll have a hard enough time without Weddle, but without Merriman or Castillo either?

Yikes.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

I'm watching this game again

and the Browns actually played differently than they have. They called pass plays down the field, something they haven’t done all season. Quinn was accurate, when he hasn’t been. Quinn actually went through his reads and took check-downs, which he hasn’t been.

So while we were still the better team, the Browns actually didn’t play as badly as they have so far, and would’ve looked better against anyone, not just us.

Though, it could be they changed their gameplan to take advantage of our weaknesses.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

This makes sense

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Runyan

First play on Sproles’ screen for a TD, he absolutely trucks his guy. Hank was laughing on the radio call; funny stuff.

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 5:11 PM PST reply actions  

Good

write up. A win is a win and the offense kept on ticking. Hopefully get Merriman and Castillo back for the cowboys.

by GABOLT on Dec 7, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions  

No doubt...

…LDT deserves the Bolt and every other conceivable brand of accolade but not in the slightest for running out of bounds on that pass from Naane. He would have run out of bounds no matter the situation, just as he always does. Not to disparage, his provident self-preservation is probably what enables him to dislodge legends on a weekly basis these days but if any thought went into that situation it occurred about 3 or 4 years ago when he decided on his career-lengthening sideline policy.

by Rocket Surgery on Dec 7, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions  

According to Josh Lewin

“No other AFC team has currently scored even 20 points in more than three straight games.. the Chargers have done it in seventeen straight games.”

That’s a pretty cool stat.

by zelkolnikov on Dec 7, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Real cool stat

I was talking to my buddy from New York the other day, he mentioned something about the Chargers I thought was right on. I starting talking about our offense and he just laughed. Commenting that I should not be concerned with our offense.

by AirNorval on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The Colts, Titans, Texans & Pats

have all scored at least 20 points in 5 straight games this year (didn’t check any other teams) – but no more than 5 straight – maybe Lewin just had the number of games wrong

by murpho on Dec 8, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he meant

these last 3 weeks but I haven’t checked. Either way, we have done it for 17 games. We need to unleash rivers and outscore our way to Miami.

by zelkolnikov on Dec 8, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh I thought of another Dolt.

Upon re-watching of the game, Charlie’s clipboard holding left a lot to be desired. Almost every time you see him, he’s on the sideline with this giant coat on, his arms inside of it.

Seriously dude, the team needs you! Come out of your gortex shell and hold that clipboard dammit!

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

He was keeping the clipboard warm.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 8, 2009 3:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Bad form

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by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Looks like Clay Matthews should have been taken over English.

7 sacks in 9 starts, multiple fumble recoveries including stripping AP and taking it for a score. Oh well heres to hoping that English is the better player down the road.

by Harsh_619 on Dec 7, 2009 11:11 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

Clay Matthews is improving so radidly. At the rate of his improvement, he could be looking at a defensive player of the year award in a few years. He made Joe Flacco his (female kanine) last night.

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by Flow on Dec 8, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Darren Sproles

If anyone suggests taking Darren Sproles off of returns, Cromartie needs to be the one that is doing it during that time. He isn’t as quick as the other options, but he is elusive and could break some tackles. The problem there is, when he catches an interception in the endzone, he tries to run it out instead of getting the touchback. So, Cromartie may make the same return mistakes as Sproles. Screw it, just go with LT on returns. LMAO

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by Flow on Dec 8, 2009 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

I think that the risk is worth the potential reward

If Cro gets hurt on returns we lose a starting CB, if Sproles gets hurt we lose a backup RB. I think John has suggested Buster Davis before, but we’d have to find someone else to go inactive if that happened.

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by Wonko on Dec 8, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

The Chargers scored 27 consecutive points

they are only “unanswered” if the Browns don’t score in the 4th quarter. They did

by Hoot1969 on Dec 8, 2009 9:21 AM PST reply actions  

Unanswered at the end of 3rd quarter, not so much 4th quarter :-p

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by Dude52089 on Dec 8, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

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