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San Diego Chargers Defeat Cleveland Browns 30-23

So it wasn't the game we all envisioned.  Who cares?  It was silly to expect the Chargers' defense to completely shut down any professional offense without 3 of it's best players.  The Browns did the right thing, attacking the kids and going after the lack of depth in the secondary, and they made the game very close in the end.

This was not a trap game and this was not a game where focus was lost.  Plain and simple, this was a game that showed off the weaknesses on this San Diego squad.  Seven wins in a row is great, but bad health is starting to catch up to them right at the beginning of a tough stretch of games.  Without Luis Castillo, the defense struggles to stop the run.  Without Shawne Merriman, the defense struggles to get a pass-rush.  Without Eric Weddle, there are less blitzes coming from the secondary and Steve Gregory is forced to play Safety (where he is not nearly as effective).

This game came down to health and trust.  Did Ron Rivera trust Antoine Cason to cover his man on-on-one?  No, and rightfully so.  Did he trust Steve Gregory to make the plays in the secondary Weddle would?  No, and he's right.  Did he trust Kevin Ellison to cover the opposing TE on his own?  No, and in instances where it happened the Browns took full advantage.

The score of this game is misleading.  It wasn't nearly this close, but that had everything to do with an overpowering offense that couldn't be matched by the Browns no matter how many injuries San Diego's defense had.  As I say going into most games, "The worst-case scenario is a shootout, and I like out offense better."

As always, your recommendations for Bolts (and Dolts) are appreciated in the comments.  Also, feel free to discuss the Vikings/Cardinals game in the comments here.  Here's a quick list of some of my Bolts, before re-watching the game or checking the box score.




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seriously

was that the browns offense? one of the worse offenses in the nfl? and they looked like world beaters, im glad we got the win but that was unacceptable

Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)

by cameronm on Dec 6, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

world beaters? no.

they looked inept even against a depleted defensive corps.

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by Axion on Dec 6, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

they moved the ball every time they had it

if your impressed with the way the defense is playing you must be seeing something im not.

Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)

by cameronm on Dec 6, 2009 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw the ball being moved on the first Cleveland drive (when it seemed like Rivera wanted to see how effective the zone would be) and when the game was already in hand (when the goal was to avoid giving up big plays/quick scores).

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 6, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I have a question.

Why is our zone defense so bad?

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell of a question.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 6, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

usually – Cooper

yesterday – Cooper, Spillman, Gregory, Cason, Cooper.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 4:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I like that Cooper appears twice.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

false dichotomy, sir

Just because I don’t think the Browns offense looked like world beaters (hey, how many penalties do world beaters commit?) doesn’t mean I thought the Charger defense looked “impressive” or even “good.”

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by Axion on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Easy bolts are

Rivers and Gates are easy bolts; LT isn’t a Bolt he didn’t have over 3.0 ypc; Tolbert had one play, sproles is in between because he was a nice use but i don’t think it was that great of a game. I still like Norv’s playcalling, he brought something new to the table with the Legedu pass to LT. Phillips was huge with the forced fumble.

A bolt i’d like to add Runyan, he didn’t play much but he pancaked a guy when he came in and it looked like he did a good job blocking for the 3 plays he was in.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:22 PM PST reply actions  

Dallas just lost,

Philly wants us to win next week.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:24 PM PST reply actions  

did u watch

den @ kc

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 6, 2009 4:24 PM PST reply actions  

Yup.

The Chiefs are terrible.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 6, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you lose to Indy for us

So we don’t have to worry about this 1 game lead. It was a great game for you guys though j-man

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

That'll be a tough one for Denver.

The Colts have had their number, and the Broncos are on the road.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

here what i think mhr still think we can win the divison i disagree i just want to be 10-6

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 6, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Well you can

but you have to win at least another 3 games. You’ve got 2 games left on the schedule (Indy, Philly) where you’ll be underdogs.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

We definitely have about the same toughness in road to the playoff

Indy and philly are tough games for you Cinci and Dallas are tough games for us

1 pushover for both teams, KC and Washington

and 1 wildcard Oakland is better and Tenn i don’t know what to expect.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Washington is way better than KC.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 6, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya

True then our schedule is harder.

The one and only AzDuck

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

it's a good thing we're better

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

by notorioushbi on Dec 6, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Indy is much better than anyone on our schedule, though.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 6, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless they are playing the Chargers

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

They’re not playing the Chargers, though, so my point stands.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

dude

i throuht washington was a push over too if they dont not mail it in they are tough on D should be 7-5

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Dec 7, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Kaeding did a pretty good job

Except that one kickoff out of bounds that reminded me of the Nebraska kicker kicking it out of bounds at the same time kicking TCU out of the NCG.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

Yup

Kaeding gets a Bolt. I just forgot to list him.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 6, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

WHY

would Kaeding get a Bolt he was barely avg

by AirNorval on Dec 6, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Kaeding deserves a bolt because....

Today he passed Mike Vanderjagt for most accurate kicker of all time. Vanderjagt was 86.46% (230 for 266) whereas Kaeding is now 86.67% (143 for 165). I think that is worth noting.

by ZigKitsune on Dec 6, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Man.

Nate has only missed 22 kicks in his career. That’s about 4 misses per year.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he miss any FGs?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 4:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty good?

His kickoffs were atrocious. One of the worst games he’s had while healthy. That was a disgusting performance.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I was under the impression he was doing that intentionally

to try and keep it away from Cribbs. At least, that’s what Acee was reporting.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

He was trying to directional kick to keep it away from Cribbs.

I could see that. But, he was kicking it too short when he did that.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps he was getting more air under the ball?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 8, 2009 5:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know how this could be considered a bolt

But Penalties = a bolt we had no offensive penalties and just 1 for 5 yards the whole game.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

Coaching

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely

I stressed it last week. The key to beating weaker teams is limiting turnovers and penalties. They did that this week.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 6, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you J Russell

For holding onto the starting job for so long.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

seconded...

and thank you for Al Davis not hiring a GM who would have done that week 4.

by ZigKitsune on Dec 6, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think

GMs typically make those type of decisions anyway. Usually general managers just give the coach the options he needs for his football team and the coach decides who sits and who plays.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

It's gonna be tough to beat Dallas next week.

With all the injuries on defense we have. Castillo and Merriman need to play, and we have to be near-perfect on offense.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

The Giants had 3 total yards of offense today in the first half

and still ended up blowing them out. Cowboys really aren’t that good.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but they have talent.

And our defense is clearly not up to par.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Only because we were forced to completetly change the gameplan

because three of our best players were out. Plus, even without them we still have playmakers who have a great ability to create turnovers. I’m not that worried, only a little because its on the road; although we only have ONE road loss this season.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's true.

Though I could point out the Cards were unbeaten on the road and lost to the Titans last week.

And we’ve clearly got a shot, but I’m just concerned with the level of play our defense has shown, not just today but all season. Especially against the run, which the Cowboys are GREAT at.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

That's really the only thing they are great at

If we get an early lead they will have to abandon the run and force Romo to throw

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

the cowboys do that to themselves anyway...

even with the game close they’ve been getting away from the run…55 passes today

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

by notorioushbi on Dec 6, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope they get away from the run.

We need to force them to by scoring quickly.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

The Giants were supposed to be a good running team

I just think our rushing d isn’t great but it isn’t horrible.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

It's pretty horrible without Castillo

Plus, I think we experimented a lot today with backups (Spillman, Martin) to see what they had.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pleased with our offense.

Very nice performances out of everyone. That should help a lot.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Our offense

Basically is our best option in run defense. Even with healthy Weddle, Castillo and Merriman.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

My guess is a pick'em game.

Maybe Dallas -3.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm thinking Dallas +3

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

They did just lose to a the giants twice

A team we beat, though we don’t play games on paper.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

and got crushed by the Broncos whom we crushed a few days before

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

So official message, not worried but need to step it up a bit.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

sure

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

NO way

Dallas is favored over us

by AirNorval on Dec 6, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s in Dallas, it’s the second straight road game for the Chargers and there’s a good chance Castillo, Merriman and Weddle miss the game. Without looking, I’d say Dallas is favored by 4 or 5.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 4:11 AM PST up reply actions  

It's Dallas by 3.

And Castillo and Merriman better play. I thought the idea of keeping them out was so they could play next week. I haven’t seen anything indicating they’re not playing next week, only Weddle.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Both of them were situations more like “Let’s rest them this week and see where they are this week.” No sure thing. Although Merriman seems to play whenever he’s able to walk, so my only real concern in Castillo.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

With two weeks off, he better play.

That’s my thinking.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 7, 2009 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

The most important person in our run defense is

Phillip Rivers. If our offense gets going early teams are afraid to run the ball because they’re afraid they won’t be able to keep up. That’s why our run defense gives up a real high ypc but never seems to really hurt us (at least not since Pitt)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 6, 2009 7:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

But we have the December record thing.

And if we get a lead, the Cowboys might start going “oh noes here we go again”.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Right. Dallas can beat themselves with too much negativity.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 6, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

HAHA

The Cowboys are soft. And for everyone concerned with the yards the Browns got in garbage time go cry already

by AirNorval on Dec 6, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

This deserves a Bolt

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Dec 7, 2009 6:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Dallas could help us

I really don’t know what to expect, they didn’t look good today, but i mean the absolutely killed the raiders. They are such an inconsistent team

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

bingo

Dallas looks pretty good one week and terrible the next. So, it will depend on which dallas team shows up. Also, the titans record isn’t great, but they are still a good team. And, it’s on the road with a short week. (friday game) And, our success on defense has been fresh bodies (substitutions) if teams start going to a no huddle to prevent subs, that could be a problem.

by irishlad on Dec 8, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was a pretty easy win

30-14 with 3 minutes to go, the D plays a little soft, the Browns get a recovery on an onside kick, and the game looks like it was close. It was never in doubt.

by JeromeB on Dec 6, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

True

A lot of people wanted a blow out, clearly we didn’t play our best but we won, which is all that matters.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Any road game in the NFL is tough

Especially when half your team is injured. Not worried

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

True

They still are a NFL team, so what if they are 1-10 they still play in the NFL and they have NFL players, never easy to win games on the road.

by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The new, reasonable Sam? I like it.

As I said above, the defense performed when it was asked to and really only let up when the game was in hand and they went into “prevent” (just a lot of predictable zone). If Merriman and Castillo are back for Dallas, I’ll be very confident.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 6, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

God I hope so.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I think someone else is posting on his account.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 6, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

One more turnover

or the prevention of the onside kick recovery and no one would be saying anything. I’m glad the browns offense was able to move the football methodically in garbage time, it was probably more effective than our running game trying to do so.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

reminded me steelers game

It was a lot like the steelers game. we were losing by a lot but made it interesting at the end. But, too little too late.

by irishlad on Dec 8, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Dang

Cribbs is something. I hadn’t seen him play before, and for some reason I thought he was more Devin Hester sized, but dude is 6-1 and 215. Very impressed with him.

I was also not unimpressed with Mangini. Not that it matters to me, but I would give him another year.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 6, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

That practice squad kid made Mangini look pretty decent. I think Mangini makes a much better coordinator/play-caller than he is a manager of personalities.

I agree. I’ve seen Cribbs before, but I don’t think I’ve seen him in about a year. Once again I’m completely amazed at how big/strong he is. I don’t know why they don’t turn him into a RB.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 6, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Spark: Legedu Naanee

He was in for all of about five plays, I think, but the one touch he had was a nice trick play that went for a twenty-some yard completion, which in turn set up a field goal.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 6, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions  

That was a brilliant play-call at the end of the half.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 4:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Norv is getting real creative with some of his play calls this year. and the best thing about them is he always seems to use them just at the right time and he never over does it. Very well-designed plays with high success rates.

by gman87 on Dec 7, 2009 5:32 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 7, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Here we go SNF.

Go Cards!

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

Stupid Hightower.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 5:34 PM PST reply actions  

always is

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Question for John

I didn’t see all of the game and I only saw the feed. What did you see out of Larry English today? I assume nothing encouraging.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

He was handled easily by Joe Thomas, as expected. The funny thing is, Marquis Harris was in for about 3 plays and got a sack going up against Thomas (it was, without a doubt, a coverage sack).

Like I have been saying, this is the game English needed to prove something….but asking him to do that, as a rookie with little experience, against a Pro Bowl LT is tough.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 4:13 AM PST up reply actions  

His attempt to recover the fumble after the Phillips sack and FF

was pathetic. Either fall on the ball, pick it up, or tip it away from the sidelines. Don’t fall next it, try to pick it up and the push towards out-of-bounds. Silly rookie.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Lord I hate the Favre man-love in the media.

“Look at him have fun out there!”

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

I'm really tired of Farve

Yes its amazing he can still throw like this at his 40s but if he wasn’t such a indecisive person and just say he’s retired and stay retired or try and find a team then i wouldn’t mind it as much. Since somewhere around June sports had his name EVERYWHERE.

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by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Favre*

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by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather watch 24/7 coverage of Favre than listen to the BCS propaganda machine.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate both of them

End of story

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by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

You're really pissed off

about this BCS thing, aren’t you?

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

That is an understatement for both of us. By the way LT vs. Legedu

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by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Such a dumb game,

the two non-bcs teams against each other

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 6, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

THANK YOU!

When i saw it i was so frustrated, I wanted to see Iowa get killed by Boise and another BCS school to lose to TCU

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by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Did they really do that? God, that’s so stupid.

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by Richard Wade on Dec 6, 2009 6:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It seems to me like a sign of disrespect,

Not giving either of the non-BCS squads a chance to play against big-six competition…Boooo

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 6, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it’s the opposite. I think they’re protecting the BCS teams.

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by Richard Wade on Dec 6, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think its neither

The Fiesta Bowl usually likes to have interesting matchups and they picked those teams. I think the way it worked out is that they were basically choosing between Boise State and Cincinnati and part of the decision making was that Boise State would bring more people to the game.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Well I guess since you don't watch college footbal you don't know what happend

Basically, the more powerful leagues just rigged a Saddam election and pulled one of the biggest travesties in college sports history.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Please explain.

I’m curious.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you know how the BCS works at all? I don't want to explain the whole system.

Basically, they forced the two smaller schools to play each other because the system didn’t want to get embarrassed when the two smaller schools beat the bigger schools that they would have played. This way, they can continue to say that the small schools don’t deserve to play with the bigger schools because they didn’t beat them, but only because they rigged it so they aren’t able to play the bigger schools.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Gotcha.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I really wanted to see TCU play one of the SEC schools.

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by Richard Wade on Dec 6, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

alabama - texas

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

by notorioushbi on Dec 6, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

So if I understand this correctly

Alabama got bumped up to #1 after beating Florida, and Texas got moved up to #2 by beating…someone?

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

nebraska

both are undefeated from major conferences (SEC and Big 12). No one is arguing the main game, it’s all the other BCS games that are causing controversy

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 6, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Texas moved up because Florida lost and thus moved down...

What else could you have done with them (Texas)?

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 6, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean, even though TCU deserves to be in the championship game I can live with it that they aren't

But forcing the two non-AQ schools to play each other is just ludicrous.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s a joke.

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Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 6, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

It's all because Cincy miraculously leapfrogged TCU in the latest polls,

Thus assuring Cincy the Sugar Bowl slot ahead of TCU. It’s bullcrap. There was NO reason to rank Cincy ahead of TCU.

So then, i suppose that the fiesta Bowl decided to take a “hit for the BCS system” by putting them together!

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 6, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not true

All the predictions I saw had the Fiesta bowl picking TCU with their first selection. The Sugar Bowl I believe selected Florida with the their first selection. The Orange was forced to select the ACC champ. Then, the Fiesta bowl picked Boise State. Then, the Sugar Bowl picked Cincinnati. Finally, the Orange Bowl selected Iowa.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

They would have wrecked Florida in the Sugar Bowl (Where TCU should be!)

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 6, 2009 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Godo coverage by the Cards.

That fumble was a killer.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 5:58 PM PST reply actions  

Tie game

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by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

OH MAN!

Breaston almost took it back for a TD.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

I picked Arizona to cover

I had an awful day today though, really hurt me in the overall ATS standings.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 6, 2009 6:00 PM PST reply actions  

Hmmm, Dolts

English-Did pretty much nothing all game

V-Jax-couldn’t shake a double team as he usually does (I know, I know-you think he should not be a Dolt, but screw you!)

Zone defense!!!!!

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 6, 2009 6:02 PM PST reply actions  

vincent gets pass this time

because that block he had for tolbert helped the team get a touchdown.

Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)

by cameronm on Dec 6, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

TD Cards

14-7

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by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 6:31 PM PST reply actions  

Fitz scores

21-10

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by Dude52089 on Dec 6, 2009 6:52 PM PST reply actions  

Well not blew coverage.

Just really badly beat. So badly I thought he blew a coverage.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Cards just doing what they want on offense.

Good pass protection for Warner and he carves anyone up.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 6:53 PM PST reply actions  

Favre totally shoulda been picked there.

I wonder if that’s why he only has 3 INTs. He’s gotten lucky and DBs are dropping his bad throws.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 6:57 PM PST reply actions  

ANOTHER dropped INT.

Favre should have been picked twice already. He’s getting lucky.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

There's the pick!

A d-lineman.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions  

There's another pick!

Finally Favre is remembering who he is. I hope he’s got another in him, as I can’t stand that he’s got fewer than Phil. Right now he leads 5-6.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

Chiefs fans taking the hate to MTD

“61. Chargers- Vince Oghobasse DE/NT- The Chargers wont ever win a SB in San Diego, And they will never win one without a good DL. I hate you Chargers. If you ask John (obviouslygay) He would tell you this is a good pick.”

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/12/5/1185043/mock-draft-2

by Natrone Bomb on Dec 6, 2009 7:52 PM PST reply actions  

Yikes.

Wow. I really don’t understand Chiefs fans. Even Bronco and Raider fans haven’t been too bad this year.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 6, 2009 7:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Even Bronco and Raider fans haven’t been too bad this year.

Ha, sounds like people talking about fruit. You know the KC Chiefs fans are particularly bitter this season.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 7, 2009 7:00 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

John(Obviouslygay) Hahaha!

Even lamer than the classic John(obviousloser) meme

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 6, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Furthermore...

Why would he think that we draft a WR in the first round!? Especially considering we are weak along the D-line, O-line, and at halfback. If there was one place besides corner where we wouldn’t draft, it would be at WR!

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 6, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not uncommon

I’ve seen several mocks that have us taking a WR in the first round.

by gman87 on Dec 7, 2009 5:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Only happens if Jackson or Floyd leaves, and that’s not happening.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Even if one of them were to leave,

I still hope we would not take a WR in the 1st round

Our collective lack of productivity has clearly paid off in the grandest of fashion. We are going to Pasadena. Yes, let that sink in. WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. To be honest, this has not yet hit me-WE ARE GOING TO PASADENA. Wow.

Juju, We applaud your devotion and pure decency throughout the season.

by CaDuck on Dec 7, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

The people who think that we'll do that

Are not named A.J. Smith or John Spanos. So your hopes will come true.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Demetrius Byrd and Buster Davis are with you, brotha.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 8, 2009 5:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I would be so pissed.

We need to spend that 1st rounder on Defense, or OT.

by SJO on Dec 9, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Those people running those mocks

Are dumb.

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by Wonko on Dec 7, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I’d ban him again if I could.

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Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 6, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

"of coarse"

I think this guy has “potental” as a writer.

by BORTZ on Dec 6, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I like the fact that I’m gay and he knows what I’m thinking.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 7, 2009 4:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The coverage unit definitely deserves a Bolt for their performance. Josh Cribbs only had one semi-decent return in the kicking game, and CJ Spillman absolutely lit him up in the first half when Cribbs didn’t call a fair catch.

Sproles deserves a Dolt because of that boneheaded play when he grabbed a kickoff that was heading out of bounds. That cost valuable field position, and it isn’t like he doesn’t have a history of making bone-headed plays in the kicking game (Not calling for a fair catch EVER).

by SteelAngel2000 on Dec 7, 2009 3:01 AM PST reply actions  

That one is questionable.

What if it doesn’t go out of bounds, and he just stands there while a Browns player picks up the ball? It’s not like a punt, the Browns could actually recover a kickoff.

by SJO on Dec 9, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

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