AFC West players who would be hit by uncapped year

Chargers who would lose their status as unrestricted free agents this offseason if the league and its union can't agree on a new labor contract and become restricted free agents:

Tim Dobbins LB
Malcolm Floyd WR
Antonio Garay DT
Eric Ghiaciuc C
Marques Harris LB
Vincent Jackson WR
Travis Johnson DT
Marcus McNeill OT
Shawne Merriman LB
Darren Sproles RB
Charlie Whitehurst QB

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Sounds familiar

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by Wonko on Dec 30, 2009 5:01 PM PST reply actions

Sproles

What about him, playing on the franchise tender? Would he go RFA like the rest, making it possible to sign him to a one year tender offer of say 2mil or what the first round tender is these days

by AirNorval on Dec 30, 2009 5:03 PM PST reply actions

We discussed this in my fan post that "sounded familiar"

Basically, we figure that his RFA tender will have to be the same as what they would have to give him if he were a franchise player again. The compensation for losing him would be that of a max-tendered RFA player instead of a franchise player.

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by Wonko on Dec 30, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions

By We are you talking about me and you

cause I dont remember. But what you are saying is if he’s tendered again, then it would cost the Chargers like an additional franchise tender? (Because it would be just that) But as a RFA the Chargers compensation for loosing him would be a 1st and a 3rd.

So in effect you’re saying he couldnt be tendered except for a non or an exclusive franchise tender?
Unless they tendered him at a first and a third, only to pay him the same amount as a 2nd tag tender??

by AirNorval on Dec 30, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions

We, as in BFTB,

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by Wonko on Dec 30, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions

They could

Either Franchise him again. Or they could remove the tag and he’d become an RFA. They would still have to tender him the last year’s salary plus a percentage increase and the compensation for losing him would become a 1st and a 3rd.

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by Wonko on Dec 30, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions

Or, I guess

They could remove the franchise tag and then non-tender him. That would be a third option.

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by Wonko on Dec 30, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions

Yea that seems most likely

No way they franchise again, and no way they tender him only to pay him the same amount as the 2nd tag.
So Sproles would effectively go UFA.

by AirNorval on Dec 30, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions

Why doesn't one of our esteemed writers ask Acee or the Chargers

for clarification?

by Dalton on Dec 30, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions

If this CBA doesnt go through

And we hit on a few draft picks, the Chargers will be primed again next year for sure.

by AirNorval on Dec 30, 2009 5:05 PM PST reply actions

Explanation please?

Could someone explain to me what restricted vs unrestricted free agency means and what that means for the players listed above? I’m so out of the loop on this one.

by MarioV on Dec 30, 2009 5:05 PM PST reply actions

Check out this link, and the links at the bottom of the page (if you want to know more)

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/12/29/1224382/open-discussion-on-the-cba-smart#27947461

This is the best thread Ive seen on the subject

by AirNorval on Dec 30, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions

Also, wouldn't the Chargers be barred from free agency?

Not that we normally make moves there, but aren’t the top 8 teams in the playoffs (which with a bye, the Chargers are by default) forbidden from signing free agents not from their own team?

by DanTails on Dec 30, 2009 5:16 PM PST reply actions

The link I posted above discusses that

I believe that you’re correct though.

by AirNorval on Dec 30, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions

There are some restrictions

But, obviously, they don’t sign many free agents to begin with. That restriction is also only limited to UFAs. And, finally, they will be allowed to sign UFAs from the top 4 teams in the playoffs.

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by Wonko on Dec 30, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions

Yo Wonko

Given the guys above without a CBA, take a guess on the tenders and their respective degrees.

by AirNorval on Dec 30, 2009 5:26 PM PST reply actions

I expect them to tender

Floyd, VJ, Merriman and McNeil for the max. Not sure what they do with Sproles since I don’t know what their budget looks like. I’d like to ditch Whitehurst and get a new future backup QB, but I could live with another year, but I don’t recall the degrees for the tenders, I’d assume whatever the minimum is. Not sure on Dobbins either. They have some options there and so decent ILB prospects in the draft, maybe they tender him, but not for the max. I could see Johnson getting a tender, but something tells me his status as a former 1st round pick keeps him from getting a low ball tender. They’ll probably just cut him loose. The other scrubs get cut loose.

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by Wonko on Dec 30, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions

Johnson

A first-round tender is only $2M.

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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 30, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions

I’m good with that.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 30, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions

$2 million

Is probably more than Nwagbuo, Scott and Boone make combined. But it seems fairly reasonable even for a backup.

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by Wonko on Dec 30, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions

Yea

Id expect Johnson to receive a 2nd round tender or get resigned, even if he hasnt played well; signing him would be low risk and high reward. Whitehurst and maybe even Dobbins would get the lowest tenders, compensation would be their round of selection I think.

And Vjack, Floyd, BigMac, and Lights the max tender or a new deal. I dont think Sproles resigns, and I doubt any of the others are tendered.

I would like the Chargers to resign BigMac though, some team might actually make an offer to him, even if they didnt have to give up a 1st and 3rd.

by AirNorval on Dec 30, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions

Agreed, although they might not go max on Floyd. I think that’ll come down to how valuable Norv and Philip think he is.

Whether or not anybody wants to admit it, the Chargers’ receiving group has little depth and is very top-heavy. Who knows what the team has in Buster Davis, Naanee probably isn’t ready to start (and might never be), Byrd is a question mark and Osgood is gone after 2009. Based on Floyd’s injury problems, and the upcoming negotiations for both he and VJ, the team is going to have to look into using a 3rd or 4th rounder (at the latest) on a WR that could be a 3rd or 4th WR immediately. That means less money to go around for the other guys.

The personnel and scheme dictates the roster. Right now, the Chargers are a pass-heavy offense that employs 3 RBs and 2 FBs. This is part of the reason they’re so short on offensive linemen. Next year, I expect 3 RBs and 1 FB (although Hester would probably be that 3rd RB). The number of receivers will probably stay the same, but the last WR will make the team because of his ability to catch the ball more than his ability as a special teamer. Probably.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 31, 2009 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs

Roster

We are carrying nine offensive linemen now, thats hardly short. I would highly doubt we go down to 4 totals RBs, even if we keep Manu who is set to go UFA I believe. Our issue in the beginning of the season was carrying 6 WRs; that I think will cease. This season has shown we need the extra cheese burger eater, especially along the Dline.

by AirNorval on Dec 31, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions

Agree with your thoughts

on the WR position. I would not be surprised to see a WR picked in rounds one or two, it is too important of a position for this team.

by JeromeB on Dec 31, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions

Boone will get about that when his contract is up if he continues to play like this. Nwagbuo’s next contract depends entirely on 2010.

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by John Gennaro on Dec 31, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions

If we kick Whitehurst to the curb

do we bring in a pro-style QB or a scrambler who can mix up the offense a little bit? These latter would be guys like Joe Webb out of UAB, Thaddeus Lewis of Duke, or Matt Groethe from USF— late-rounders or UDFAs. As far as pocket passers or more traditional QBs, keep and eye on John Skelton of Fordham.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 31, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions

After a little more research, my favorite of these is Grothe.

He sounds like a high-character guy and is described as elusive within the pocket and having good speed outside of it. He also missed most of his senior year with an injury, which could cause him to sink to the bottom of this year’s class.

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by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 31, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions