Bolts & Dolts: Bengals at Chargers
Alright, we're doing it a little different this week. I'm doing Bolts & Dolts without re-watching the game, because this is a team/game/post driven by emotion, and after re-watching I may come back and add or change something. S'alright? S'alright.
First, the game. This game ranks up there with the Giants game for me. It's an opponent of equal talent, and a lot of times in the past the Chargers have lost to teams that are just as good as them by not doing the little things. This season, through plenty of adversity (namely, injuries), the team has continued to do the little things that keep you in the game and give you a chance to win the game at the end. Because of that, today's first Bolt might be the most well-deserved one ever.
Bolts
Norv Turner. There's this recurring conversation I seem to have with my friends and family every year about Norv Turner. In a nutshell, the conversation is "The team just doesn't seem ready to play at the beginning of the season or at the beginning of games. That's coaching." Sure, fine, although the team has been much better this season at starting off games strong.
However, that's negative thinking. Three straight division titles, nine straight wins and seventeen straight wins in December (not all of thus under Turner, but still). That's coaching too. Three straight seasons where the team has started slow and could've quit on him but never did, that takes coaching. No coach is unblemished, and with Norv the good certainly outweighs the bad. I'm not ready to declare Norv the greatest Chargers coach ever, but if you look at where he is now it's hard to argue that he's not on his way to getting there.
Offense
Philip Rivers - 24/38, 308 yds, 3 TDs, 2 INTs. Only Philip would be able to manage a 92.9 QB Rating in a game in which he was picked off twice. This is why he's the active leader in QB Rating. It wasn't the best game for him, but he sporadically had some perfect throws and (as usual) came alive to save the day in the fourth quarter. His MVP resume is getting stronger while Brett Favre's is getting weaker.
LaDainian Tomlinson - 117 all-purpose yds, 3.7 YPC. It was a very efficient day for LT. He was used in the passing game when the Bengals were focused too much on the receivers, and he looked strong in the running game (as did the offensive line) nearly all game. It wasn't dominating, but it was efficient. By the way, has LT ever smiled this much in one season? He looks like he's having a ball this year.
Vincent Jackson - 5 catches, 108 yds, 2 TDs. First it was VJ that was free because of Antonio Gates, then it was Gates that was open because of VJ. Now, and credit Norv Turner for this, the team has found a perfect balance of both. Defenses have to find a way to cover both guys on every play otherwise there's going to be a big play. Credit Vincent for fighting through the little bit of adversity he's faced this year and coming back alive right when the team needed him most.
Antonio Gates - 4 catches, 33 yds, TD. Simply put, the best receiving TE in football. He cannot be covered by a CB, LB or most NFL Safeties. Unless you have somebody like Troy Polamalu or Tyvon Branch, be prepared to double-team Gates on just about every play. Gates almost lost his Bolt when he dropped the ball into Keith Rivers hands, but that ball was thrown behind him.
Malcom Floyd - 4 catches, 63 yds. I originally had Floyd down in the "Almost Bolts" and then realized that he had a better game than Gates (or at least close to it). I love how Malcom has become Philip's new favorite 3rd down target, and I love how there's never any doubt that he caught the ball if he's gotten his hands on it.
Floyd is a free-agent after this season, and a few days ago somebody said they thought another team would spend too much money on him and he wouldn't be back next season. I hope, for the sake of Philip Rivers and Malcom Floyd, that's inaccurate. These guys have been together since the start of their careers, creating chemistry on the 2nd string team in practice, and bring out the best in each other.
Defense
Tim Dobbins - 11 tackles, 1 forced fumble. Yes, yes, that was me saying "Dobbins sucks" in the first half. The truth is, the Chargers played Dobbins a lot because he's great against the run. The Bengals did the right thing in calling pass plays that would force him into coverage, where he's not-so-good. His tackle numbers are half because he was very good against the run and half because he was tackling his receiver after giving the guy an easy catch. What earned him a Bolt was getting the closest thing to a turnover on the most important play of the game.
Eric Weddle - 8 tackles. Great to see Weddle hasn't lost anything in his two weeks off. He was still in the middle of every play, and providing great downfield coverage.
Kevin Ellison - 6 tackles, 1 sack. I love Ellison's size. When the Bengals put a TE/RB out wide, Ellison always lined up with him in man coverage. He has the speed to stay with them, and the strength to give them a big bump on the line. I haven't seen him playing a lot of zone coverage (that seems to be Oliver's specialty), but in man he's stellar. I think he's earned the starting SS spot for 2010.
Defensive Line. Okay, none of them were really demanding a double-team (which is why the pass-rush was non-existent) so they weren't a huge help in rushing the QB. However, they were stellar at stopping the run. Alfonso Boone, Travis Johnson and Vaughn Martin each had periods of the game where they dominated their section of the line. If you take away the two "cut-back" runs (27 yards for Larry Johnson, 26 yards for Chad Ochocinco), the rushing numbers look significantly better. Holding Cedric Benson to just 53 yards (and no TDs) is something to be congratulated for.
Special Teams
Nate Kaeding - 2/2 FGs, 3/3 XPs. Was there even any doubt? There wasn't for me. The second Malcom Floyd caught that ball and put the Chargers on the 35 yard line, I knew they had won the game. Just as Gates is the best receiving TE in football (and arguably the best overall), Kaeding is the most accurate kicker in football (and arguably the best overall). Lucky for the Chargers, both guys are having career years at the same time.
Dolts
Offense
There were no offensive Dolts this week.
Defense
There were no defensive Dolts this week.]
Almost Bolts
Mike Scifres - The Bengals had time for one more drive to win or tie the game. Scifres punts, his gunners are blocked, and the ball still goes out of bounds on it's own at the Cincinnati 5 yard line. Any time you can force a team to go 95 yards to score the winning TD, you're making it very difficult for them. He would've been the hero of the game if the Bengals didn't go down the field and tie it.
Quentin Jammer - Jammer is one of the first plays that could've been a Bolt or a Dolt. His interception against Chad Ochocinco was beautiful, but overshadowed in my mind by the numerous times he was beaten on out routes. His goal-line play against the Bengals TE at the end of the game was a big reason why the Chargers won, but what will stick out to people is the easy interception that went through his hands on the previous play. It certainly wasn't Jammer's best game, but he responded well to being thrown at (which doesn't happen often).
Kris Wilson - Jeff will be able to better point this out in his post later this week, but I thought the team really came alive on Wilson's catch. For those that didn't see it, Kris has his helmet torn off and kept fighting for the extra yard. It got to the point where the defender literally pulled Wilson down by the back of his head (it looked like a for-sure neck injury), and Kris popped right back up with an angry stare. This all happened about a foot in front of the Chargers sideline, which went bananas after the play.
I like Wilson's toughness, blocking and soft hands. This is probably way too early, but I could see him replacing Brandon Manumaleuna next season as the team's backup TE/FB.
Kassim Osgood - Not just the best special team player in the league, but quite possibly the smartest. Nobody knows special teams better than him, and nobody works harder at it. I know it's not possible, but I really hope he's wearing a bolt on his helmet next season.
Almost Dolts
Steve Gregory - Just like Tim Dobbins, Gregory was targeted and thrown at all day. The Bengals were smart enough to not throw short-passes at his receivers, because that's Steve's specialty, and instead hit the receiver at the point where they've gotten past Gregory but before they've gotten to the safeties. It was a good gameplan that the Bolts are sure to see more of going forward. Unlike Dobbins, Gregory wasn't able to stand out with any big plays.
Pass Rush - I've been over this, but I'll go over it again. 2 sacks is not enough, but this is not the fault of Shawne Merriman, Shaun Phillips or Larry English. The defensive line needs to cause more of a disturbance for the QB when he's sliding up in the pocket. I think we may see more of Vaughn Martin in the next couple of weeks because, even though he's still not great or very consistent, there were times where he was pushing around offensive linemen like they were children. If he can force offenses to pay attention to him, you'll see the OLBs racking up the sacks in droves once again.
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Crowd Music gets a Bolt and a Dolt
Dolt: when they stupidly played Sweet Caroline. This isn’t Boston!
Bolt: Bro Hymn after Nate nailed the FG
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by matthewverygood on Dec 21, 2009 4:34 AM PST reply actions
I heard Bro Hymm and was perplexed. My wife’s best guess was that it was Nate’s “theme song”. It certainly should be.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 5:08 AM PST up reply actions
I think that the Bro Hymn song was due to
It’s a “Southern California punk rock” song and it’s a great stadium song, as the entire crowd can “woah” to it.
I’m actually surprised that we don’t hear it more often in sports, as it seems to be a great crowd song.
Maybe it’s just Nate’s theme song, but I would be happy if it was a secondary theme song for the team as a whole (of course, the “Super Chargers” song should be the primary theme).
Bro Hymn and Pennywise are awesome
There is absolutely nothing in this world that I love more than a “Woah” song.
But, differing opinions and all that… :-)
un rec
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 21, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Bortz
If it makes you feel any better, I completely agree. So many bands tried to do what Bad Religion did and failed miserably.
"Get on board early," Black said, alluding to, what he feels, is a crop of up-and-coming players.
"I would tell those fans that we're going to play good baseball. We're going to play hard. We're going to have exciting young players..." -Bud Black
Just not a fan of nouseforastrungouttenfootpennywagon182px.
by BORTZ on Dec 22, 2009 7:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Heh, I am (assuming you take off the last two)
But I get the joke, and it’s a good one. :-)
I’m a big Bad Religion fan, and most of those bands emulate BR.
My own personal opinion
But I think that Pennywise is the only band that did a good job doing the “Bad Religion sound”.
Musically, I agree wholeheartedly that Pennywise sux...
But situationally, it’s great. “Ok, what are the lyrics again? ‘Whoa-oh-oh, whoah, woha-oh.’ Golly, I hope I can remember that again.”
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 22, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
This is totally off-topic, I know
And completely subjective, but I’m just curious why there’s so much non-like for Pennywise. Not that I expect everyone to love them, but I’m just curious.
I’d love to see Bro Hymm take over for “Crazy Train” on kickoffs. I’m so tired of hearing that, and the crowd doesn’t get into it at all. At least this would help pump the crowd up.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
I would miss that opening riff from Crazy Train
As it’s buried in my head now, but that would be awesome because, as you said, Bro Hymn is better for getting the crowd involved.
I'd like to save Bro Hymn for special moments
that was electric yesterday, and kick-offs would cheapen it.
What is this "Bro Hymn" thing?
"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds
by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Do you live under a rock?
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 21, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Check out the youtube links a couple of comments above
You might recognize the song when you hear it.
Or not.
Can't disagree with you here
That was epic when it played exactly when it played. You could hear the Murph just rocking like crazy.
A great feeling. SD must have been a party last night. :-)
Different songs for different purposes.
The crowd can’t get into Crazy Train, but it does well as a high-energy get-you-started song. Besides, benching Ozzy would be like benching LT.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 21, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
No question,
Crazy Train has a great “build up” start, and I certainly want that to stay.
I’m just hoping that they play more “Bro Hymn”
Oooh...
“Electric Funeral”
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 21, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
I hated Sweet Caroline, too
Didn’t stop half the cretins from singing along…
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
Yeah, that's always terrible, esp. at Pads games.
Hopefully they’ll abandon it like they did “Don’t Stop Believing”. There are maybe a thousand truly great songs out there, how hard can it be to find our own?
agreed
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 21, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
They did it all and it was awful.
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
Don't understand why they don't play more POD
A) They’re from San Diego. “Here come the boys from the south.”
B) With lyrics like “Here comes the Boom. How you like me know?” and “Is that all you got? I’ll take your best shot,” the song “Boom” is practically about football.
by Andy (allfield) on Dec 21, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Don't they play the POD Chargers song?
I swear I heard it when I went. Maybe it was pregame?
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
You may be right...
…since I haven’t been to a game in 3 years. And it seems like a no-brainer.
by Andy (allfield) on Dec 21, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
No worries
I hadn’t been to one in 5 years until this past Thanksgiving (before 2004 the streak was something like 13 years).
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
They played POD at least 3-5 times yesterday
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 21, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking that they did
But I already went down that road with the POD song.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
begininng of second half
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 21, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
kickstart my heart
by Motley Crue needs to be played all the time. that song amps me up more than anything.
"I suggest more bike" ~KSK
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I'm with you
It pains me to see hate for Ozzy and love for Crüe in the same place. The heyday of the Umlaut band was about 10 years before Crüe, with the BÖC and Mötorhead.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 21, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Ooh...
Next time we have the Ravens here, “Wings Wetted Down” would be great!
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 21, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think "Dominance and Submission" would be great
I’ve been waiting for this topic of conversation to come up forever. I hate the cheesy country song they play over PR’s highlight reel. Can we get “Modern Day Cowboy” by Tesla up in here? I have a ton:
PR17: the aforementioned “Modern Day Cowboy”
LT: “Run, Run, Run” by the Who
Sproles: “Fox On The Run” by Sweet
Gates: “Fly Like An Eagle” by the Steve Miller Band
V-Jack: “Godzilla” by Blue Öyster Cult
Floyd: “Swagger” by Flogging Molly. I don’t know, something about his playing style and this song both suggest a bar fight in my mind.
Naanee: “Shaking The Tree” by Peter Gabriel, featuring Yossou N’Dour. I chose this purely because of the Nigerian guest singer.
Kaeding: “Strike Like Lightning” by Lonnie Mack
Robopunter: “ME-262” by BÖC— play the bridge with dropping bombs.
I’ll FanPost this (with the D and crowd songs) later.
"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"
Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...
by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 21, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yay.
I’m no longer the only one calling him Robopunter. And I’m not the only BÖC fan!
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 22, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
Oooh...
… maybe we should get some famous SD rocker (Halford?!?) to write a song called “Robopunter” about an unstoppable superhero with a pneumatic leg. Maybe he got it in the great magnetic field when he traveled time for … oops.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 22, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions
Not everybody cooperates
And I say if they want to get tough…
BEAT ’EM UP!
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 22, 2009 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
More
Intro to Metallica’s “Ride the Lightning”
“Hot Hot Hot” by the Cure
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 22, 2009 1:12 AM PST up reply actions
Bro Hymn was epic
it sounded like a soccer stadium, just a whole tribe chanting in unison. it sounded so powerful and cool. so cal anthem. The people that don’t like it are too young. or maybe too old. If I was the opposing team and I heard that song and I was losing, it would just take the wind outta my sails to hear the whole crowd in unison. It was so cool to see rivers jumping around celebrating to that song. PARTY!!!! hope they play it in the playoffs.
oh man when they play kickstart my heart at Petco
going in to the bottom of the 9th, its awesome. its a very cool stadium song.
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www.throughbucknerslegs.com
O-line love?
Maybe its implied since pretty much every skill position player got one, but I’d like a Bolt for the whole O-line. You don’t score 27 on that Bengals Defense without some strong play from those guys.
Also, how about an honorary Bolt for Jamarcus Russell? He was like a silver and black Santa Claus yesterday!
They didn’t do a good enough job of keeping pass-rushers off of Rivers to get a Bolt, IMO.
Russell gets an honorary Bolt for sure. I turned that game on after the Chargers game ended and said “OH NO! Why is Russell in the game?” Then he threw the TD.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 6:31 AM PST up reply actions
I think Losman actually played in that game as well
The Raiders QB situation is a constant state of flux.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Yeah he threw like one pass.
"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds
by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
More bolt nominations
Money Kaeding: Half the kickers in the league would have blown that FG.
The Fans: Crowd noise really messed with the Bengals’ heads throughout the second half. Like those three consecutive delay/FS penalties followed by the timeout.
OL: CABurrito has it right.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 21, 2009 5:37 AM PST reply actions
Fans
Absolutely cost the Bengals a possession.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 21, 2009 6:24 AM PST up reply actions
Kaeding got a Bolt.
Fans should’ve gotten a Bolt.
See explanation above about O-line
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 6:32 AM PST up reply actions
Rivera gets a Dolt
for continuing to insist on playing Cooper.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
Haha
I’ll give you points for being consistent, Buck.
Dobbins was awful in coverage. I agree that next year it should be more Siler/Burnett than Burnett/Cooper, but Dobbins is not a starter.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, and....
Cooper had a pretty good game. Didn’t do anything great, but played well in coverage.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
& he made 3 whole tackles. Must have gotten tangled up in someone’s legs while he was flopping around on the ground.
Put the green dot on Weddle.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Dec 21, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
Less tackles is a good thing when the opposing offense is throwing so much. It means you did a good enough job keeping the ball out of the hands of your receiver. More tackles is only good when the opposing team is running a lot, which the Bengals weren’t.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Spin it however you like, John
Cooper is Donnie w/o half the ball skills.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Dec 21, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
I’m fine with that.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
i still think
cooper is the smartest linebacker on the team. he makes all the calls and counters whatever the QB does, i think thats more important then it gets credit for.
Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein
Exactly my point. Donnie w/ half the ball skills is still the smartest LB on the team and the best all-around MLB the Chargers have.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 22, 2009 2:32 AM PST up reply actions
Then he should eat more Wheaties
so his brain can help him fight through blocks & make something besides arm tackles.
Cooper’s play was responsible for a good portion of the yardage that Cincy gained on that last drive. Put down the statistics book & watch the game without your Cooper-blinders on. You’ll see that he’s consistently getting shoved around, missing tackles, & getting to the plays late.
You say that Dobbins’ tackle numbers were high because his man was catching the ball? Look again – often he was tackling a WR who had beaten one of our safeties or Jammer.
I didn’t know shit about Tolbert either, did I?
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Dec 22, 2009 4:01 AM PST up reply actions
Dobbins
Pretty much admits having a bad game, but made up for it with the forced fumble:
"I gave up a couple plays," Dobbins said. "I pride myself if I give up something, I try to make a big play. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it don’t. But that’s why I’m kind of emotional right now. Some of what I did was dumb. I could have prevented it and I know better. But we won.
"It balances out. I didn’t play to the highest level, but I balanced it because I made a big play."
He looked bad most of the game and admits to making some dumb mistakes, none of which you seemed to see while watching the game with your Dobbins-blinders on. You focus on tackles this week, but then say put down the statistic book when you look at Cooper.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 22, 2009 6:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He madxe 10 tackles to Cooper's 3
and no way were all of those tackles a result of him giving up pass plays. He made several tackles that were either Jammer or Gregory/Oliver’s man. But I didn’t focus on that …. was he out of position on some plays? Yes … and quite a few times that same play that “burned” Dobbins also worked to Cooper’s side. He made almost all of thestops that were his to make – Cooper spent a lot of time being blocked or late to the play.
I’ve never been an absolutist about Cooper, but I do feel that our starters should be Dobbins/Siler with doses of Cooper & Burnett as appropriate.
We disagree. Shoot me.
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Dec 22, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
I think we basically keep Cooper around for one reason: Playoffs vs Indy! With River’s help, Coop can play chess with Manning better than anyone.
Cooper was quite good in 08 and 07.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 22, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
bengals fan here.
this was a great game and i don’t think your bolts are getting enough credit from bengals fans for this win. a lot of people at cincy jungle are finding excuses for this particular loss and it’s just a bitter defense mechanism that has come from years of losing and people starting to lose their patience with this year’s team (who is playoff-bound no less). if there is anything bengals fans have learned this year, it is how to win in the 4th quarter, and i give you an A+ for the way you did it.
you’re consistently one of the best teams in the AFC and you’re laced with pro bowl-caliber playmakers on both sides of the ball. we both put ourselves in a position to win but in the end you made a couple more plays than we did. if this game was in our house we might have been able to swing it our way.
obviously a tough week for our team, and i’m not too upset with the loss given the circumstances and future implications. maybe we’ll see each other in the playoffs again and the game will be just as good—except that we come out on top :)
by GrooveLeg on Dec 21, 2009 6:56 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
I agree with everything you said. I think if this game is in Cincy, especially considering how emotional the crowd would’ve been, the Bengals win.
Thanks for stopping by.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
Obviously
We don’t know how exactly things will turn out. But, I believe that as it stands right now (i.e. everyone wins out), the Pats are the #3 seed and the Bengals are the #4. So if they both win their home playoff games, then the Patriots would come here. If the Bengals then upset the Colts and the Chargers put down the boys from Beantown, then the Bengals would come to SD again. Just an FYI.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Bengals are a fine team
And it is always tougher to beat a good team twice in the same season.
Here's something I was thinking about after the Cowboys game
and it became more true yesterday.
Because the team is so one-dimensional, we’ve been saying how razor-thin the margin for error is, and that they can’t afford any mistakes by the offense and still win against good teams. And they largely haven’t been making mistakes.
But the last two games they have made mistakes—some bad ones too against good opponents. And they still won. To me, that’s big.
"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds
by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2009 7:41 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Bolt for the Q!
I’ve never seen the Q rock so hard before. 3 straight penalties on the Bengals, all because of the Crowd! Love it! I’m with you John, I hope Osgood is back next year. He’s awesome. I also notice extra awesome sauce in LT’s game. He pushes defenders and fights hard to pick up yards. After Hardwick comes back and Vasquez keeps improving and Clary/Runyan/whatever gets fixed at RT, I think both Tomlinson and Sproles will flourish next year, and maybe as soon as this postseason begins! I also hate when Rivera calls for zone coverage and keeps the Linebackers in low coverage. I’m sure its to keep the offense guessing, but slot guys and Tight ends need to have more attention. Jammer, Cro and the safeties do a great job, but the flats and middle aren’t covered well enough. Maybe its because Burnett wasn’t there when Dobbins was, but when that gets addressed, I think the Pass defense will be amazing! Anybody want to go to Tennessee with me??? Go Chargers!
by Superduperboltman on Dec 21, 2009 8:05 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yep a BOLT for the Fans at the Q!
I stopped yelling for a few seconds just to look around and listen and it was crazy loud that I couldnt even hear myself think. I lost my voice as a result to yesterdays game!
"It dont matter if you win or lose your still a loser... said the Chargers Fan"
how long have you been a Chargers fan?
I ask only cuz I’m curious if you have season tickets and if you want to go in on some this next season with me and some friends we want to buy field level seats (4 of them) and want some dedicated and responsible fans to be a part of it.Plus you can bring some girlfriends so you wont feel alone.
doltz
The refs. Granted, we got the TD on the next play, but that was pass interference on gates in the end zone. Also, many non calls against the bengals. o.k. so only a hand full. I saw a helmet to helmet on one tackle, no flag. gates was clearly held on the play where his jersey was pulled down below his shoulde pad. Both rivers and norv complained, but no cigar. It looked like possible face mask on the one play late where the receivers helmet came off. Granted, he let go of the mask and tackeled him by the pads. I sure hope hardwick is good to go at center. Also, the soft coverage by the defense and some missed tackles. How many times was it third and long only to give up the first down on a big play? Defense needs to play better than they did yesterday.
Refs were bad for both teams. They missed a penalty at the end of the game that would’ve taken 10 more seconds off the clock.
I hate when people say “soft zone”. A soft zone is prevent defense, and that’s not what the Chargers are playing. They are playing zone defense with MLBs that aren’t very good at covering quick receivers over the middle. Yesterday the Bengals ran a lot of shallow flat routes or double-slants that took Cooper away from the middle of the field and left Dobbins all alone in space. The short passes were not a result of play-calling, they were a result of poor coverage by the ILBs.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What penalty did they miss at the end of the game?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Dungy pointed it out on SNF. After the Sproles catch, he came off the field and LT came on. Apparently (I’m not sure why), in that situation LT must be lined up inside the numbers but was lined up outside the numbers. It should’ve been a 5 yard penalty and a 10 second runoff, but nobody noticed it until after the Jackson catch.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
Ah.
You’re right. Well, we got lucky. I won’t weep for other teams having calls go against them.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Very true
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
Keep in mind the new face mask rules
It’s really gotta be blatant. No more “incidental mask grazing.” I really didn’t think the face mask “grab” done to Jammer warranted a penalty.
by Andy (allfield) on Dec 21, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
I'm of the opinion that it was
Fingers were in the mask, enough for it to slightly turn Jammer’s head.
To me, that’s a facemask penalty.
And
They missed the personal foul “punch” from Cedric Benson.
And they missed the false start that caused out DLine to go offsides.
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by Wonko on Dec 21, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
There wer many uncalled penalties
for both sides of the ball. I am not crying because I like games where they let the players play.
I don’t remember who you D player was on the Benson slap to the helmet but Benson did not have the ball and the defender took a good two or three steps and ran into Benson as some kind of an intimidation move and Benson simply retaliated. He shouldn’t have, I agree and we were lucky that the ref saw both sides and didn’t call it. It was a good non call IMO. Hey we can both point at non calls. The non call on LT was far more blatant and impact full – but I am not crying. We played well and gave you all you wanted. You won a good hard fought game. Lets both of us focus on next week and maybe we will meet again. I only wish it could be in Cincy.
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Sorry, but you're wrong
Gregory wasn’t doing an intimidation move, the ball was still in play and he was ensuring the offensive player couldn’t do anything about it. It happens all the time. The ref next to the play was watching the ball and didn’t make a non-call, he just missed it. Benson’s move was completely unsportsmanlike and should have been called. If things went down with the jersey’s switched I would say the same thing. What Gregory did goes uncalled all the time because its a borderline play where you could argue that it was either necessary or unnecessary, what Benson did should always be a penalty.
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by Wonko on Dec 21, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You are a gentleman and a scholar Wonko
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This one I watched closedly, and didn't think it caused Merriman to go offsides.
He did false start, which should have been called, but the LG moving wasn’t the cause of Merriman coming offsides, at least that’s the way I saw it.
I'm pretty sure he has to go inside the numbers
to check into the game, but can return outside following that, thus preventing a team from having a receiver step off the sidelines right before the snap.
There it is
You’re absolutely correct.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, and about Malcom Floyd.
I made this mistake myself a couple weeks ago and was corrected by Casey Pierce. Floyd has been in the organization for 6 years, but he spent 2 on the practice squad, so he only has 4 accrued seasons. That means no matter what the CBA situation, he won’t be an unrestricted free agent.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions
Nice
Casey’s the best. He has my dream job.
Floyd may be a TC headache though. He took a long time to sign the one-year deal this season and I heard he wasn’t really happy about it. He’s at least going to want a multi-year deal and starter’s money, or else he could hold out.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
Oh and another thing about Phil.
Yesterday in his column on espn.com, John Clayton pointed out that Rivers is becoming like Peyton Manning—he’s the guy you don’t want to give the ball back to with any time remaining.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2009 9:09 AM PST reply actions
Cormartie
How about a double DOLT for Antonio Cromartie. Ochocinco left him in the dust yesterday. I wonder who could replace him at CB
Haha
That was quick! Cromartie has been just as good as Jammer this year. The TD to Ocho was perfectly set up and perfectly run. Also, the guy is allowed one mistake every 8 games or so.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I don't understand the Cromartie hate
I think this has been his best all around season. He was lucky with all those INTs in 2007. This year he’s putting in the hard work.
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by Wonko on Dec 21, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
Before this year I was ready to let him move on and replace him with Cason. Now I want him here for his entire career. He’s reaching his potential.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
But, John. I totally saw him get burned on one big play.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 21, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm
Almost like he’s a cornerback in the NFL.
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Weird. Right?
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by Richard Wade on Dec 21, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
It must be that he's been moved to safety.
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They need to cut down on the boozin'
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by Wonko on Dec 21, 2009 7:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Medical Staff
You know the one with like 5 arrests and alcohol abuse problems.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 21, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Really? Is there a joke I’m not getting or is the training staff overdue for a major overhaul? Given all us poor self-employed uninsured types who have to go without any medical care at all, you’d think they’d be able to afford to take care of the pro athletes properly.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 22, 2009 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Right over my head, sorry.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 22, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yup.
Khalil.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 22, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
I hear he's a Freemason. Those guys are up to something.
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Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...
by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 22, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
No no.
Illuminati.
Trilateral Commission.
And so forth and so on.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 22, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
I called that play before they played it and these Bengals fans were like Thank You!
I knew they were gonna do that cause it was a similar thing that the Chargers do and for some reason It just reminded me of when Jackson done that last year it was wierd ugh but Cro broke up and almost intercepted a ball once so I think he did alright
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by ChargersWitch on Dec 21, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
How long has it been since we’ve seen that happen: Cro get beat for the long touchdown reception? There’s a handful of guys in the league faster than Cro. Ochocinco’s one of them. I really liked how his game improved after that play, instead of letting it get to him.
A word of warning...
as happy as I am about yesterday’s outcome, I am worried that we think we can rely on big plays on defense in/near the red zone as being inevitable. The 20 yard fumble by Palmer and Moreno’s in Denver come to mind, though I’m pretty sure there are others. Some of this is what happens when a team is on a roll. Remember Stanley Richard’s int at end of half, and ball slipping out of Elway’s hands in 94? Those type of plays should be considered gravy. I would like to see more consistency instead on stopping the drives before we need to be bailed out by big (and sometimes lucky) plays…though trust me, I’ll take em.
I'm trying not to think about this stuff
Because I’m so enthused by the win. But, I know deep down you’re right. Now, shush.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
See no evil, hear no evil...
In other words, I agree with you, but I will also say that winners win. Sure, we’d love to see blow-outs every time (or even “dominating wins”), but even the best teams only manage that about 5-6 times a year. The rest of the time it’s “persevere,” “pray,” “rub a talisman,” or “rely on some crazy, bizarre play to put you over the top.” But even for those to happen, you still need the intelligence and preparation to be able to take advantage of them.
by Andy (allfield) on Dec 21, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
There's a middle ground
Between dominating and a game like this. I’d like to see something where we build a 10 or 7 point lead in the 4th and our offense can sit on it long enough that time runs out or the offense gets the ball with two little time to do anything. Kind of like the Dolphins win earlier in the year, the second Raiders win or the Eagles win. Letting other teams stay in the game is more of a sign that the team can’t finish except under the right circumstances (i.e. they are the last team with the ball) and that leaves the door open for a fluke play, bad ref call or a gust of wind knocking a FG attempt wide left.
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JUNGLEJOHN
actually points out one such fluke play that went our way. I don’t know how Leon Hall didn’t play outside technique on Floyd. But, if he did, that game goes to OT.
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I don’t know if that was a fluke, I think it was something the Chargers noticed throughout the game. Wasn’t Hall playing inside on the first VJ TD?
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, but
Hall shouldn’t have been playing that way late in the game in that situation. I think it was just a mental lapse on his part.
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You could argue for it
On VJ’s second TD (I think) Hall was looking for safety help that never came. You could argue that he didn’t trust his safety to be there, so he was defending against the big play (seam route). Which, if it’s the case, is terribly selfish but at least understandable.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
from Bengals.com
Cornerback Leon Hall on his coverage of the 15-yard completion to Chargers wide receiver Malcolm Floyd with eight seconds left that set up kicker Nate Kaeding’s game-winning 52-yard field goal: “I was playing the inside. I know when I look back on the film I should have had a better break and I’ve got to contest the ball.”
i think that one falls on our defensive coordinator, mike zimmer, for not reminding everyone during that timeout that we can’t allow anything outside.
It's hard to want a lot more.
Blowout wins: Denver, KC, KC. 2 bad teams, 1 good.
Handlings: Miami, Oakland, Philly, Dallas, Cleveland. 2 bad teams, 3 good.
Skin-of-teeth victories: Cincy, NYG. 2 good teams.
Traps Averted: Oakland. 1 bad team.
Traps Fallen Into: None
Skin-of-teeth losses: Baltimore. 1 good team.
Handled: Pittsburgh, Denver. 2 good teams.
Blowout losses: None in 2 1/2 years.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 21, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Not counting 2007 Week 2 vs. New England?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
That was Week 2, 2007. This is Week 16, 2009.
I’m counting that, that was 2 1/2 years ago. The last time SD lost by more than 11 points was that horrid Minn game in Week 9, 2007.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 21, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
*substitute "seasons" for "years"
Does that help?
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 21, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be really interested
to see the Chargers’ net points from 2004-present, and how it stacks up with teams like the Colts, Pats, and Steelers.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 21, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
Dallas game was won that way, and this game would have been
if not for the Rivers INT off Gates hands. That basically put 8 points right on the board. Figure we go down the field for 3 on that one, and the lead is much bigger to overcome.
Just like other teams can't depend on
balls bouncing off of Gates’ hands for interceptions in Chargers territory. Those are just the breaks of the game you have to live with the good and the bad.
by Natrone Bomb on Dec 21, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure everyone would prefer not to have to rely on the big plays
And it is a cause for concern, but I think there’s a few qualifiers we should add:
- isn’t football ‘set-up’ to generally produce close games?
- Has there ever been a significant win streak that hasn’t had a number of ‘flukey’ wins? The Colts and the Saints have both benefited this year.
The warning point for me is if the team starts to become overconfident, which this team seems to have been early in recent season’s past. It’s a truism that the very good teams tend to win the close ones (I don’t have NFL stats on this, but know that the Chargers have got much better at this recently), and I think John is right in pointing out that this team continues to do the small things well which give them a chance. They have also shown a capacity to make big offensive and defensive plays when needed, and continue to fight when things go against them.
This should give them considerable confidence, but hopefully, they’ll take a close win like this and look for how they could’ve improved and made it into a comfortable. A number of things went against them such as refereeing calls and the Gates interception that was fairly unlikely – if Gates holds onto that catch I was relatively confident that we’d have been able to put together a nice time-consuming, largely run-driven drive to put the game out of reach. And there’s clearly lots to improve on still.
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Great, great win
Unbelievable game. 2 great teams going at it. Loved it. But the fans deserve a resounding bolt. I’ve never heard the Q that loud. Great job for those of you that were there.
Dobbins hit, Floyd’s catch, and Nasty Nate’s kick were just awesome. And #17 is pretty good…
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Scifres doesn't get a Bolt because…?
…the Defense didn’t hold the Bengals after his great kick? That doesn’t make much sense to me. I’m just saying… :)
I’m loving that the Chargers are winning every “type” of game this year: Close (Bengals), blow outs (Broncos), come-from-behind (Giants) and ball control drives (Cowboys). I think that bodes well for them in the playoffs. They will not be surprised or caught off guard by any type of game that may come in the playoffs.
Go Bolts!
Outside of that kick, Scifres had a very average game.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, he's another who's likely to benefit
IF we secure that 2nd seed.
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The Bengals really blew it.
We should have never allowed your receiver to get OB on that last play from scrimmage. It was a stupid play by Hall who took the inside route which didn’t matter. We kind of had the momentum after the FG that tied the game and who knows what would have happened in OT. Any pass completion where the guy didn’t score or go OB and the FG unit would not have had time to form up. If Hall takes the outside route away, which any even nominally intelligent corner would have taken considering the circumstances and the game goes to OT. I am not so upset about your hard fought win. Good for you. It is losing because of s really stupid play that ruined , what you must admit was a pretty strong effort by the Bengals that burns my butt. Anyway… good win for you guys. On to next week and a Chiefs beat down and the AFCN title. BTW congtrats on your div title. Those things are never easy to get.
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Great game to be at.
I was on the east side of the field for the 3rd quarter when we drove them back with penalties. I couldn’t even hear what penalties were being called, just saw the ball being moved back. I have been fortunate enough to go to the games where people are asking if that’s the loudest it’s ever been.
Jammer’s INT is what got the crowd into it, I think that makes it a cut above Almost Boltworthy.
The crowd was pissed when Wilson’s helmet got torn off, too.
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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play
my opinion
almost dolt-
castillo: man do something, why are you getting paid so much money? is there really that big of a differense between him and boone?
gates: i dont care how good you are, that drop he had hit him right in the hands and then bounced into keith rivers hands, that could have lost the chargers the game.
hester: stop slipping
refs: so many bad calls against both teams, they really need to step it up.
Almost bolt:
V. Martin: the dude is getting better in better, i watched him every time he was on the field and he seems to be powerful and he is improving in every game
Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein
Hehe
I like how because Martin is an up-and-comer and gets an almost bolt, but Castillo (who I’m sure if we watched the coaches tape had a better game) gets an almost dolt.
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by Wonko on Dec 21, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
its all about expectations
castillo is the second highest paid player on the team, he should be one of the best players, not mediocore.
Martin is a project, so i dont expect that much from him, so when he plays well i think he deserves credit.
Life is like riding a bicycle, to keep your balance, you must keep moving.-Einstein
or I guess I just laughed
I said something else was funny somewhere around here.
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The Gates drop hit him in the hands behind his head. Let’s see you catch a ball behind your head, with somebody right behind you trying to catch the same ball.
The difference between Castillo and Boone is that Castillo has to beat two men on every play whereas Boone has to beat half as many.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
It was definitely a bad pass by Rivers
Compared to Jamarcus Russell or Alex Smith, Rivers is quite accurate, but he still has some accuracy issues they just rarely bite him like that. The bomb to Jackson earlier in the game was another poorly thrown pass, but the margin for error was higher so Jackson still caught in and took it in for a TD. I’d love for Rivers to start being able to hit the guys downfield without letting the defending back into the play.
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Agreed
The short fade to VJ was thrown poorly as well, and really killed any chance of Jackson catching it for a TD. It really wasn’t a great game for Rivers.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
With you on Martin and Hester.
Refs didn’t decide the game, but the game was really badly called. I don’t know football well enough to tell you if Castillo justifies his contract: certainly he’s a starter and certainly he’s not a superstar, but you don’t need to look like a superstar to justify superstar money at an occupier position. I share John’s impressions of the Gates int. I think that Rivers doesn’t deserve either a bolt or a dolt: he played pretty well mostly, but he gave any bolts away with some uncharacteristically-bad throws.
Vaughn Martin has to be one of the most intriguing developmental players in the NFL. Someday he’ll be a force to reckon with.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 21, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
i guess you guys are right about gates
maybe i just expect to much of him.
i think im just spoiled with him.
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Defense great 3rd Quarter
5 Bengal possesions and no points.
While the Chargers offense was taking a while to get going in the second half the D held strong.
The Chargers kicked off to start the half, and the first two Chargers possesions were three and outs. I the D had been tough in that quarter it could have gotten a little ugly.
I'm not a fan
Of the Chargers O coming to a grind halt like that late in games. The Chargers should not be going 3 and out two drives in a row. I know its a lot to ask, but the team is counting on the offense.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
It's supposed to be a team
Where all units can function at a high level. The offense, however, is the only one that is capable of doing that. The defense has it’s moments, but you can’t count on it unfortunately.
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Let me put it this way
There are probably at least 20 offenses in the league that I don’t want going up against our defense in a tie game at the end of the 4th quarter because given the way the D has played, we can’t trust them to stop that team.
I’ll take the offense over anyone, but it worries me if they stall out in important situations.
Basically, the team needs to put itself in situations where the defense isn’t ultimately responsible for the victory. And the best way to do that is for the offense to be clicking in the 3rd and 4th quarters at least to the point of winning the field position battle. Going three and out twice doesn’t cut the mustard and it makes games too close for comfort.
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It's a good point.
You’re essentially saying that you want the offense to help play defense, and I agree. It certainly fell on the Coryell Chargers a number of times
by Andy (allfield) on Dec 21, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Norv's call of a QB sneak was awful on that one drive
and we probably got a bad spot anyway
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 21, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
The refs
couldn’t run in a straight line to save their lives on that spot. It was really pathetic. I don’t think he got it anyway, but the refs looked drunk.
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Yeah sitting on field level
It looked like the refs literally had to consult the rule book on a few plays.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 21, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Si mon Cabron
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 21, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
But we still seem to have a problem
On 3rd and short.
Why have we stopped using Tolbert on this? He and Hester did ok awhile back, then we tried and generally failed with Sproles, Hester’s since stuffed it up a bit but we haven’t run much with Tolbert at all recently. Has something been noticed on tape or in practice which suggests that he’s too much at risk of fumbling?
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No idea
I’ve noticed the same thing. My best bet for Tolbert’s lack of carries is…
1) He’s a fumble risk
2) Like Bennett, they could be saving him for the playoffs where he’ll be even more necessary.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 22, 2009 2:37 AM PST up reply actions
What did I type
Meant to say “If the D had not been tough in that quarter it could have gotten ugly”.
This team is the offense, it has to click.
Is it just me or is Castillo still not playing at a high level?
it just seems to me he’s been average at best with the Giants game being the exception.
I don't think you'll get too much argument
Other than a few people thinking he’s below average.
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However
I think the job of 3-4 DEs is a hard one for a fan who just watches the game once to identify. The best ones (like Aaron Smith in Pittsburgh, Trevor Pryce in Bal or Richard Seymour when he was in NE) did/do seem to make more plays than Castillo does.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Those guys have better DTs next to them.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
^this.
That is a huge, huge part of it.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 21, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, but
Castillo wasn’t really that good when he had Williams next to him. Those guys were good for years and years. They are still a level above Luis.
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And Aaron Smith was still good the year Hampton went down.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Agreed that they’re better. His numbers are depressed this year because Jamal is missing, though.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 21, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
No, you're right
Castillo has been quiet, I only saw him pressure Palmer 2 or 3 times yesterday, but he’s still great in collapsing the line on run plays. Once Jamal Williams is back, he’ll do better. The D line on a 3-4 is anchored by the Nose tackle. Without him, the ends can’t do much, which is why Castillo had a great year in 06 when Williams was punishing centers and guards… Whatever the case, he got a huge contract. I hope he gets on track next year. And improves for the postseason
by Superduperboltman on Dec 21, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
I'd still prefer Castillo to the DEs off the scrap heap
if you just ignore what they are paying him. Which you should for this season, because its a sunk cost at this point.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Exactly
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by John Gennaro on Dec 21, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
JaMarcus Russell should get a BOLT for making that TD yesterday to win the game!
Thank you JR for not sucking when it mattered to us!
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I meant to do that, actually.
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by John Gennaro on Dec 22, 2009 2:38 AM PST up reply actions
Now that we've beaten Cincy
I think that Denver should get a retrospective bolt for that first-up win – otherwise we’d still have to win-out to get the second seed. (Or is this just to ugly to think about? We are giving Russell an honorary bolt…)
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couldnt agree more
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