Week 14 DVOA Rankings and other advanced stats.
It's time to take another look at where the Chargers stand in Football Outsider's advanced statistics after their performance in Week 14. This week, the site's Editor in Chief Aaron Schatz decided to devote a bit of his weekly analysis to the Chargers and why their record is better than their DVOA would suggest. Onward!
Very little has changed for the Chargers this week. In fact, the team's DVOA has actually decreased from last week to this week. Where last time San Diego ranked 13th in overall efficiency, this week the Chargers have dropped to 14th. Their weighted DVOA has increased a bit, though, to 11th, up one spot from #12 last week. The passing offense remains #1 by far, and while the offense as a whole has remained #5, its weighted mark improved to #3. Again, the only thing holding it down is the run game, which continues to check in at #30. The defense has remained the same, coming in at #25 overall, with the run defense ranked # 24 and the pass defense #23. Weighted, the defense as a whole is #22.
So how do the site's authors account for this disparity between great record and average DVOA? Schatz responds in a manner that many of us have already outlined:
The Chargers beat Dallas this week for their eighth straight win and actually dropped a spot in the DVOA rankings, down to 14th. Much of the NFL commentariat considers San Diego to be "the team nobody wants to play" -- for starters, we've seen in recent years that they are a terrible matchup for Indianapolis -- so San Diego's low DVOA may be even more surprising than Cincinnati's low DVOA. And, like Cincinnati's low rating, it's hard to find reasons in the usual places. San Diego's fumble recovery rate is 50 percent. The schedule has been easier than average, but not extreme. They get a little value from "hidden special teams," but not that much. It's hard to figure out why so many of their wins have ratings so close to zero.
Part of the problem is that the entire team is being dragged along by Philip Rivers and his running buddies, Antonio Gates and Vincent Jackson. We see how great those guys are, and maybe we forget just how ordinary the rest of the team has been this year. The Chargers are below-average on defense and special teams, and their running game is horrid.. LaDainian Tomlinson's bust in Canton is already sculpted and sitting in a closet waiting for use, but at this point the guy is so toast that actual toast is considering a lawsuit for libel. As Vince Verhei noted in today's Any Given Sunday on ESPN.com, the Chargers are on pace to break the record for biggest difference between pass offense DVOA and run offense DVOA, currently held by the 2003 Tennessee Titans.
One point though in the Chargers' favor is that the team that started 2-3 appears to be significantly different than the one that's won eight straight games:
We also know that San Diego's rating is being dragged down by their 2-3 start. This table shows San Diego's DVOA ratings for the first five games, and then for their eight-game winning streak:
OFF DVOA Rank DEF DVOA Rank ST DVOA Rank TOTAL DVOA Rank Weeks 1-6 10.4% 16 21.5% 29 1.6% 11 -9.5% 20 Weeks 7-14 28.2% 2 3.5% 18 -1.6% 23 23.1% 9 Although Weighted DVOA drops the strength of games more than eight weeks old, most of those games still have some value in the formula, which is why San Diego is still just 11th in Weighted DVOA. Assuming the Chargers continue to play winning football, their Weighted DVOA rating will rise over the next couple weeks until it is a lot closer to 23.1% you see above. Still, even if we only consider the Chargers of the past eight games, we don't get a great team that should scare everyone come playoff time. We get another pretty good team in the year where there are lots of pretty good teams, about as good as Minnesota, Baltimore, or that Dallas team they just beat by a field goal.
I don't have much of a problem, really, with being called as good as Minnesota. The San Diego team of the last eight weeks is one with an outstanding offense, and a defense that's close enough to average to win games. Despite Schatz's comment, that's a formula that should scare any team in the post-season, in the sense that most every team that makes the playoffs is there for a reason, and is good enough to go on a season-ending streak that will carry them through the Super Bowl. It can be San Diego just as easily as it can be Indianapolis, New Orleans, or Minnesota. And if the Chargers do, in fact, accomplish that, then fans should take pride in the fact that the Chargers will have beaten some pretty good teams on the way that are probably better than they are. The Chargers have as good a chance as anyone in the AFC of going to the Super Bowl, and you can't really ask much more than that.
The San Diego weekly DVOA performance remains nearly zero, meaning average. Thankfully, Schatz made the graph for me so I don't have to wait for Richard to do it!
Again, we should be happy the Chargers haven't posted any negative performances since the Week 6 loss to Denver. There's no shame in turning in an average or slightly above average performance against a team that's as good as the Cowboys. The Chargers made the plays they needed to win, and that's all you can ask when playing another team that's seemingly built to beat you. I'd be curious to see how the Cowboys' play shook out this last week. I do think it's disingenuous to say the Chargers beat the Cowboys by a field goal--while that was the final score, those who actually watched the game know that Dallas's final score was essentially given to them while the San Diego defense allowed them to drive the field and waste the final two minutes. Moreover, the Chargers likely could have scored a touchdown on the final drive, but intentionally kept it on the ground to burn the clock and prevent a turnover. An accurate reflection of how the game actually ended would be a score of 24-10, or if we're being generous to the Cowboys, 24-13.
In other news, individual rankings remain about the same. Philip Rivers remains #1 in DVOA and #4 in DYAR (again, DVOA measures value per play, while DYAR measures total value throughout the entire season). Vincent Jackson is #1 in DYAR and #2 in DVOA (where Robert Meachem now leads, as he finally has enough passes to qualify. Gates remains by far the leader in DYAR, though he trails Ben Watson in DVOA.
San Diego's playoff odds have improved to 99.8%, and their chances of securing a first round by is 72.3%. Their odds of winning a fourth consecutive division title check in at 88.7%. The Broncos have a better than 80% chance at being a Wild Card. The Chargers' chances to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl are 21.5%, behind only Indianapolis. Their odds of winning the Super Bowl are 9.4%.
This FanPost was written by a member of the Bolts From The Blue community and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bolts From The Blue editors or SB Nation.
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Rivers
Should pass Manning in DYAR by the end of the year assuming Manning takes it a little easier in the next couple of weeks. I think he might pass Brees as well. Brady seems out of reach. So Rivers could end up #1 in DVOA and #2 in DYAR which is so fantastic it’s ridiculous.
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Yup.
This is subject to much debate, but I’d really like to know what Brady’s stats would be like if we threw out the Titans game. That one game has so inflated New England’s stat’s it’s ridiculous.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 15, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Can't help but notice
That DVOA graph is trending down. I know it may feel like we are picking up momentum, but it looks like performance-wise the team may be stagnating or the league is catching up with them. This worries me. I’d really like to see some more solid performances down the stretch. We may have peaked too early, but it at least it came in time to get us to the playoffs.
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I agree to a point.
Our best performances DVOA-wise this year have been against Philly and Denver, and I think that may be fueled significantly by opponent adjustment. We were just as dominant in both wins over Kansas City as we were against Denver, but we got as much value out of the one Denver game as we did from both KC games combined. You have to REALLY blow out a team like Kansas City to get a high DVOA score (see Patriots vs. Titans). But when you talk about actual results on the field, is there really a significant difference between the Pats beating the Titans 59-0 in the snow and the Chargers beating the Chiefs 43-14 in perfect weather? I’d say not really.
I’d argue that vs. Cleveland, we did all right considering the gameplan on defense appeared intentionally conservative, and we started rookies in place of three key injured starters. And defense is what hurt our DVOA in that game.
I’d also argue that our performance vs. Dallas was better than DVOA indicates. As I pointed out in the text of the article, the Chargers got intentionally conservative at the end of their final drive when they probably could have scored a touchdown, and they for all intents and purposes allowed Dallas a cheapy touchdown at the end. If not for those things, final score could easily have been 24-10 and our DVOA rating would have been higher.
I’m drawing confidence from the fact that Turner seems to be locked in from a coaching standpoint, and the defense, while doing a lot of bending, has been pretty good at making the big play to keep from breaking.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 15, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
To back you up, maestro
One thing that’s in the other table on their DVOA page, is variance, which lists how consistent a team is week-to-week. Chargers are the 2nd-most consistent team week after week, and I think that helps with the winning streak. We don’t play down to any opponent and we have a solid, steady game.
Oh, and for the record, the most consistent team? Dallas.
I agree on the consistency thing
I said the same thing a few weeks ago. Consistently putting up above average performances is a good way to make the playoffs. I guess the worry for me is really just extension of the same problem with 1 unit being great and the rest so-so. We are living on the razor’s edge here, especially against good teams. It’s going to make for some nail-biting games for the rest of the season.
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I think you're right.
I still think that the defense and the run game can improve as guys get healthier and young guys gain experience.
But I think that this weekend’s game against Cincinnati will be a great barometer of how well we do against a team we stand a good chance of facing again in the post-season.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 15, 2009 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Without giving away too much yet
But as I’m working on the Power Rankings post, I wouldn’t hold the Bangles in such high regard
Well
either way, they’re still a team we have a good chance of seeing in the playoffs.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 15, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting thing I just looked into
Even though I still think our run game is pretty horrible we play 5 of the top 10 run defenses this year and 9 of the top 15 including the Broncos twice. Sorry off subject but maybe it’s not quite as bad as it’s been made out to be.
by Harsh_619 on Dec 15, 2009 7:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The BCS voters are not going to like this at all.
Hopefully if we can’t get into the National Championship Game we’ll still get a BCS invite.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 15, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions
Another thing I wanted to point out
as to why the Chargers are out-performing their stats, is because they make very, very few mistakes. They’ve got the 2nd fewest penalty yards in the league, and they have the fewest giveaways of any team as well.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 15, 2009 10:29 PM PST reply actions
CRUCIAL points, Maestro ...
… and to win a couple of playoff games and then the Big One, they’ll have to continue that kind of execution — and probably perform at the level they did against the Eagles and in the 2nd Bronco game.
Yep, exactly
Chargers have the 5th lowest interception rate per play, BY FAR the lowest fumble rate per play of anyone in the league, and the 2nd fewest penalties.
This is a team that rarely makes mistakes, and it’s paying off in wins.
And that seems like a thing that should be showing up more favorably...
in any kind of “super-metric” like DVOA. Or dragging down the other teams that do make more mistakes. I know one of Football Outsiders’ mantras is that turnovers (fumbles especially) are too unpredictable to be given much credence in coming up with efficiency values.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Dec 15, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Incorrect
Fumbles are a big part of DVOA. Fumbles on offense are killers. The metric just takes into account that recovery fumbles is a 50/50 proposition. Forcing fumbles is still credited as a big for the defense and any kind of fumbling is a detriment to the offense. The Chargers rankings here are just really, really sunk by a few really bad performances on defense.
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does DVOA take into account penalties and penalty yards as well?
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 16, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Not all are treated equally
They’ve found that offensive penalties are a sign of a bad offense much more than defensive penalties are the sign of a bad defense.
One example of a penalty that gets counted differently from conventional stats are pass interference penalties. They basically just count these as a completed pass using the yardage of the penalty as if it was the yardage for the catch. Intuitively it makes sense, but historically they found that the best WRs and QBs tend to have more PIs called on them so its most likely a sign of skill rather than luck.
I don’t know the details for the other penalties, but you can’t really try to measure offensive and defensive effeciency without taking penalties into account.
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Skill or reputation.
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by Richard Wade on Dec 16, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps DVOA undervalues kicking or punting?
I’ve noticed that we have this great kicker and frequently get punts downed deep, and yet still have a poor special teams DVOA. Are long fields undervalued, perhaps? Just a stab in the dark.
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by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Dec 16, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
We don't really punt it that often
Compared to our bad kickoffs. Our kick and punt returns haven’t been as good as last year either.
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I think our ST are bad this year
because the kick coverage and both return units have been pretty bad. The punt coverage team hasn’t been as bad, but those others really have.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 17, 2009 7:28 AM PST up reply actions
plus
I think there aren’t really enough special teams plays during a game to get a good statistical work up on. There a probably around 10-15 ST plays a game and about 60 offensive and 60 defensive plays, roughly. So a single bad/unlucky play can throw the whole thing out of wack easier (like the gunners not covering that end of the half punt against the Cowboys)
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 17, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
IOW They are like relief pitchers
You know some are more talented than others, but the sample size is so small that a small run of luck can make a bad one look good or a good one look bad.
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