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Bolts & Dolts: Chargers at Cowboys

When you factor in things like how the opposing teams have played in the games immediately before or after their showdown with the Chargers, you could make a case that this Cowboys team is the 2nd or 3rd best team the Bolts have faced all year.  Although it's December, they're playing much better than they were in the beginning of the season (when the Broncos beat them) and it was going to take a complete game by the coaching staff and players to get a win.

Well, that was about as complete of a game as you can have in the NFL against a legitimate opponent.  The defense, similar to the game against the Browns, seemed to play a soft zone in the beginning and end of the game.  They struggled to stop any of the Cowboys three star RBs, and yet Dallas was only able to score one meaningful touchdown in the game.  I have no idea how Ron Rivera keeps doing it, but he continually keeps points off the board.

The offense is currently unstoppable.  It's clicking in a way it never has before, with Philip Rivers playing his best football and Norv Turner calling all the right plays at the right times.  It helps when you have 5 guys on the field who are receiving threats on any given play.  Even LaDainian Tomlinson, who isn't much of a feature-back these days, seems to become a better player near the goal line and whenever the Chargers need a big run for a first down.

It's a good time to be a Chargers fan.  The division crowd, the playoffs and a first round bye are no longer just dreams.

Star-divide

Bolts

 

Offense

Philip Rivers - 21/32, 272 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT.  Whomever is disappointed that Philip didn't have another game with a QB rating of over 130, please leave the room.  This was not the Browns and it was not the Chiefs.  This was a legitimate NFL defense with very few holes.  The pass-rush was there all game, and kept Philip stepping up in the pocket and sometimes running for his life.  The CBs played a great game, Mike Jenkins in particular.  Rivers and his WRs were just better.  Any time you can post a near 90 QB rating against one of the better defenses in the league, count it as a victory.

Vincent Jackson - 7 catches, 120 yds.  Well, well, well....somebody's back.  In reality, VJ never left.  This game wasn't about him breaking out as much as it was the defense going with a different philosophy.  In the last few games, the idea was to double Jackson on every play.  That left things open for Antonio Gates.  This game, the Cowboys did the opposite and VJ came through in a big way.  Huge plays by him and Rivers are the reason this game wasn't lost.  They kicked the team back into high gear after the injury to DeMarcus Ware.

Antonio Gates - 4 catches, 44 yds, 1 TD.  Need a first down on third down?  Need a TD from inside the 15 yard line?  Go to the guy who is completely and totally uncoverable.  Philip didn't need to force passes to him this game, and didn't, but when he needed that outlet to get the team out of a jam Gates was there.  He always is.

Malcom Floyd - 3 catches, 40 yds.  First off, his catch on the sideline was absolutely ridiculous.  Second, Floyd is a Pass-Interference machine....which actually makes sense.  His speed is not that great, so it's rare that you see him more than a half-step ahead of his defenders downfield.  However, he has a reputation for catching everything and is the king of jump balls.  So any CB covering him is close by, and knows that just getting his hands in Floyd's face isn't going to do a thing.  Add in the fact that he's skinny (so it always looks like he's the one that got pushed) and he could get PI called against a CB nearly every time if he tried.  It's great that Norv has figured this out, and knows there's no risk in throwing it to Floyd one-on-one downfield, and calls it when a big play is necessary.

Offensive Line - 1 sack allowed.  Say what you want about the run-blocking.  It's at least three times more important to keep Rivers upright and healthy than it is opening holes for LT and Darren Sproles.  That was a fierce pass-rush, with lots of blitzing (I miss Phillips' recklessness sometimes), and the offensive line gave Philip just enough time and space to make plays.  Even that one sack, you could argue that it happened because Rivers didn't move in the pocket when he should've.  Great showing by everyone, and specifically the tackles.  I don't know where Scott Mruczkowski and Brandyn Dombrowski fit into the future of the offensive line, but with them and Jeromey Clary and Nick Hardwick it would appear the Bolts have a plethora of talent up front for next year.

 

Defense

Brandon Siler - 5 tackles, 1 sack, 2 tackles for loss.  That's it.  Let there be no more doubt in anybody's mind.  Brandon Siler is a Player, with a capital P, and has earned the right to start ahead of Kevin Burnett for the rest of the season.  He makes the run-defense stronger, gets pressure on the QB when blitzing and is generally a force that can mess up any given play for the offense.  Give him the most credit for the goal-line stand (his specialty), and give him credit for being strong in coverage all game as well.

Stephen Cooper - 3 tackles, 2 defended passes, 1 forced fumble.  The best game of zone coverage Coop has played all season.  I don't really care that he didn't pick off the passes he got his hands on, because I believe most of them were big 3rd down plays.  Cooper had an OK game against the run as well, which is why you saw a lot more runs to the outside (away from him and Siler) as time went on.

 

Special Teams

Mike Scifres - 42.0 average, 2 (of 3) inside opposing 20 yd line.  Follow this theory, dreamed up by my wife.  With about 10 second left to go in the first half, Scifres came out for his first punt (that's kindof amazing).  The punt landed inside the Cowboys' 5 and bounced into the end zone.  When the camera showed Mike, he was screaming "Man, what the @#$&!" at somebody.  I couldn't tell why, and my wife said "I guess he wanted somebody to down it.  You know, for his stats."  My response was "Screw his stats, it's the end of the half!"  Well, if the following theory is correct, I'm the only idiot.

In the second half, Mike punted twice.  Each time it was downed inside the Cowboys' 5 yard line by Kassim Osgood.  After each time, Kassim stayed where he downed it, held the ball up and looked back at where the play originated from.  I originally thought he was just doing it as a celebration, and to show the refs where he was.  My wife was the one who said "I bet he's showing the ball to Scifres."  If that's the case, and it makes the most sense, then good job by Mike to get on Kassim.  That field position meant the world in the second half. Oh, and....

Kassim Osgood - 2 downed punts inside the Cowboys' 5.  You could argue that, between Osgood and Mike Tolbert, the Chargers have two of the ten best special teams players in football.  I'd certainly argue that point.  The Bolts are going to have big shoes to fill on punt returns next season when Osgood is playing WR somewhere else.

Nate Kaeding - 2/2 FGs, 2/2 XPs.  I love that stat that shows up every time he kicks now, the most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL.  Kaeding is everything that everybody thought Mike Nugent would be.  If you're within 45 yards of the goal post, it's a guaranteed 3 points.  Beyond that, you still have a good chance.

 

Dolts

 

Offense

There were no offensive Dolts this week.

 

Defense

Defensive Line - 4.0 YPC allowed, zero sacks.  This probably isn't their fault.  There just isn't enough talent on the line to dominate anybody anymore.  Still, each guy on the line was getting pushed around with ease and I don't believe any of them were demanding anything more than a single blocker.  This is a big reason why Shawne Merriman and Shaun Phillips were held in check as pass-rushers and run-stoppers.  The defensive line allowed a lot of easy runs up the gut, and didn't take up the blockers to free up LBs to stop the runs to the outside either.  Whether or not they can do it, the Bolts may need the defensive line to play better than that to win any playoff games.

 

Almost Bolts

 

  • Mike Tolbert - Quite a weapon on offense, and quite a hitter on special teams.  I'm left scratching my head as to why he didn't carry the ball once all game, but I'm sure Norv has his reasons.  Perhaps, like me, he doesn't yet trust him to hold onto the ball in a close game?  
  • LaDainian Tomlinson - Just what we've come to expect from LT.  Smart running, timely big plays and a knack for never fumbling the football.  Has anyone else noticed that he never loses yardage anymore?  A handoff to LT these days is a guaranteed 2 yards or more.
  • Antonio Cromartie - He's gotta be the best man-to-man CB in the league right now.  In man, he was untouchable.  In zone, he was good but not great.  The Quentin Jammer-Antonio Cromartie tandem is playing at the highest combined level ever right now.  That's why you see teams putting their star WRs (like Miles Austin) in the slot, to get away from those guys.
  • Safeties - Nobody mistook these Safeties for Eric Weddle or Troy Polamalu out there, but the same philosophies were in place and played out.  Paul Oliver, Steve Gregory, Kevin Ellison and C.J. Spillman did not allow big plays through the air and prevented big plays on the ground with sound tackling.  I personally can't wait until Gregory can slide back down to the Nickel CB spot again and Weddle can start roaming centerfield like always.  It's my belief that the run defense, as well as the man-defense on the slot receiver, is a lot better with Gregory down near the line of scrimmage.
  • Tim Dobbins - The poor man's Brandon Siler.  He played well in goal line situations.
  • Larry English - He got the closest to Tony Romo out of the OLBs.  As with most of this season though, English was close but couldn't make the play.

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On the punt to end the half

I was hoping Scifres was going to hit the scoreboard a few times to run out the clock. I believe that is the rule, you hit the scoreboard, the play is a do over, but the time for the play is not reset. So if there is 10 seconds left, he would probably be able to hit the scoreboard 3 times and run the 10 seconds off the clock. All of the players could have lounged around instead of running downfield, while Scifres launched moonshots at the scoreboard. But alas, it was not to be…

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 14, 2009 6:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

That would’ve been awesome.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 14, 2009 7:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that would be cool

but after someone did that in the pre-season the NFL passed a rule that it’s a total redo in Jerry-tron cases. Take that rules!

by not humble enough on Dec 14, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

The idea behind it was that if the Chargers went up 3-0, the next time they had the ball they could just punt it over and over until the game was over.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 14, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody asks Scifres if the scoreboard would change how he kicks

He said yes because he didn’t want to put the coverage team in a situation where they’d have to run down the field twice so close together.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 14, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Jones would have had Scifres whacked for that...

Juju, you have already blessed the Duck masses by diverting Terrelle Pryor to Columbus Ohio; and in the process granted us one magical Masoli who happens to be "sicker than E-Coli (I know from experience with E-Coli, Masoli must be pretty damn sick)". We are all mutually gracious for this blessing. However, in our time of dearest need, we request that one Terrelle Pryor succumb to your overwhelming collegiate football dictation skillz.
Your very own Humble servant,
CaDuck

by CaDuck on Dec 14, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo, John! :)

I agree with all your points. This team is clicking on all cylinders and is playing with emotion. That emotion starts at the top: Norv was so ticked off near the end of the game when the Cowboys got near the end zone on their last drive, he dropped an MF bomb (thank you, CBS audio grin). And Rivers must be trying to give me a heart attack with his step-up in the pocket move (raises his arms and just BARELY dodges opposing pass rushers EVERY time – yikes)… :)

Jackson is back in the lead of the Pick Your Poison derby. Cover Gates, VJ will beat you, and vice versa. Calling Floyd’s catch ridiculous was the perfect choice of words. And he almost had another one down inside the five (the one where Phil Simms was kind of chiding Floyd for putting his hands up too soon). And I loved the Cowboys defenders beaking Floyd after that, too. Floyd just smiled, kept his mouth shut, and had that look in his eyes that screamed, “Don’t worry. We’ll get you guys.” They did. :)

Siler is an absolute beast. Another goal line stand reminiscent of the ones they made against Pittsburgh (this year) and Indy (last year?). Rivera also has these guys in the right setups at the right time, and they are executing his plans pretty well. I was going to ask for a blanket for Christmas, but I’ll take the one we already have. You know – the one that Jammer and Cromartie are weaving…

But the thing that cemented the rec for you was the special teams story. I saw Kassim hold up the ball on consecutive punts inside the 5 and was thinking “Dude! Don’t rub it in!” When I read your wife’s explanation, I busted a gut laughing and thanked my lucky stars I didn’t have a mouthful of coffee at the time.

Was anybody else worried on the first XP when Kaeding slipped? I thought he tweaked something, and of course CBS didn’t keep the camera on him long enough to see if he was really limping or not (even though I thought I saw a hitch in his get-along before they cut away). Glad nothing came of it.

Hope D Ware will be OK and wasn’t surprised that that whole sequence sucked the air out of the building and the life out of the Cowboys. It was scary. Actually thought he may have dislocated Dombrowski’s hip, too. A big league collision…and I wish Ware a speedy recovery.

Once again, thank you for this. Let’s go home this week, get ready for the Bengals and get one step closer to wrapping up the AFC West and the #2 seed. GO BOLTS!!!

"Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state that I've finally won out over it." -- Elwood P. Dowd (Jimmy Stewart), "Harvey"

by Derwood13 on Dec 14, 2009 6:41 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I think the offensive line

deserves huge props for that final, clock-killing drive. The way they were able to run the ball with Sproles, Tolbert and LT was phenomenal.

Also, I agree with the almost-Bolts for the safeties. They weren’t great, and they made a couple mistakes (Oliver on the Austin TD, and Spillan missing a tackle on Williams’ big gainer), but they were significantly better than last weed against a much better offense.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 14, 2009 7:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

On both counts.

However, Tolbert (nor Hester) had any carries in the game. Those runs were all LT and Sproles. I was very impressed by Sproles.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 14, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right.

I thought he had a run in there somewhere, but I was wrong.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 14, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

how they really limited Witten. 4 catches for ~40 yards. No TDs, no big plays. That’s some nice coverage.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 14, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cooper played a big part in that.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 14, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Memo to Norv

Cooper is awesome, but can we get some balls thrown to him at practice, please? The guy’s dropped 5 ish easy interceptions this year. 20 minutes a day: him and Whitehurst.

sheesh!

by shaaners on Dec 14, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Almost Bolts...

Paul Oliver let Miles Austin waltz past him. He should have been aware of him running a route. He was the top safety on the play and Jammer was spying for the draw. Other than that, I feel like I saw some extra heart out of Tomlinson. He looked like he really really wanted to run people over. He had a few negative yardage runs, I think 3. I dont remember if it was Gates or Wilson, but twice there was Spears or Spencer running free off the edge, and neither Gates or Wilson put a hand on him. Also, I feel bad for Mooch getting run over on one of LT’s negative yardage runs. I think he’s much better in pass protection than run blocking, but then again, he’s never played center before this year right? Props to Newman on a great INT, though I think Jackson saw it coming and chose to sit back and hope the ball slipped away. Hindsight is perfect, but I’m sure he at least pondered jumping at Newman to knock the ball away. Scifres yelling WTF!!! after his punt was hilarious though. It looked funnier on a big screen HDTV in my Cowboy fan friends house. I don’t think he’ll be talking to me for a while after all the trash talk I gave him :D

by Superduperboltman on Dec 14, 2009 7:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

In Oliver's defense

This team was pretty much trying to run it down our throats, and the play action was perfectly done by Romo.

The one and only AzDuck

by Dude52089 on Dec 14, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was a great play-call and fake.

They set it up perfectly by running numerous times out of the gun. That was probably Garret’s best play-call of the day.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 14, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was the best PA I think I’ve ever seen. Romo practically handed it off and then took it back. There was no way the whole defense wasn’t biting on that.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 14, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone feel that goal line stand

Was reminiscent of Pittsburgh 1994?

The one and only AzDuck

by Dude52089 on Dec 14, 2009 8:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Another almost-bolt

Should be the kick coverage units. They blew the opening kick-off, but after that the Cowboys got terrible field position every time. They pinned them deep with punts, and after kick-offs got them inside the 20 almost every time.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 14, 2009 8:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not almost, should be for sure

Because kick off coverage had its best game today (excluding mile high) from what I saw. Nate had a touch back and more than half his kickoffs went into the endzone. The cowboys had four kickoff returns for 93 yards, Id take the avg in a second every week

by AirNorval on Dec 14, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Defensive Line – 4.0 YPC allowed, zero sacks. This probably isn’t their fault.

I’m going to disagree a bit here, while they did give up some big runs, on the goal line stand they got penetration that allowed the DBs to make the plays. If they get blown back, it’s a TD. One of the announcers made that point, and I thought it was a good one. Considering Nwagbou was out, I thought they held up well.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 14, 2009 9:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kris Wilson

Caught the like 20 yard pass where he sneaks out, also an assist on coverage. He usually has one tackle or assist every game, and a game or two back he squirted out for the TD in the red zone. This guy is just a small cog, but every time I see him he is playing hard and smart.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Dec 14, 2009 10:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He was one of my favorite players at Training Camp. He seemed to be everywhere, catching more TDs than anyone else. I was a little disheartened by the easy dropped pass yesterday, but I’m glad to see he’s getting his number called more and more.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 14, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Easy with the hyperbole

“A handoff to LT these days is a guaranteed 2 yards or more.”

Huh?? 9 of LTs 21 carries went for 1 yard or less yesterday. (If anything, it was SPROLES that was wriggling for 3-4 yards with defenders draped all over him.)

It’s easy to get caught up in the joy of a nice winning streak, but let’s not lose touch with reality where suddenly all blemishes become “cute moles.”

by Andy (allfield) on Dec 14, 2009 10:54 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

You're right

I supposed I should’ve said I’m happy to see he’s eliminated the 3 yard losses from his repertoire.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 14, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

3 yard losses

I think those usually come when he’s either playing hurt or the defense is stacking the box to stop him. If he’s healthy and they are honoring the pass, the “no losses” performance is what you’ll see.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 14, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LT - Almost Bolt

LT’s last carry was for a 3 yard loss. Not that that really mattered. (It could have, but Norv was opting to make the Cowboys use up their time outs, with 3 runs in a row…. If Dallas had scored faster and recovered the onside kick, Norv would have been rightfully criticized for not trying to get the one last first down, but the odds favored his conservative play-calling.)

LT had a very nice 11-yard run; he did play with passion, did find the end zone, but if you take away his “long” run, he carried 20 times for 39 yards, less than 2 YPC.

by jctess on Dec 14, 2009 5:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rivers in the 4th quarter yesterday: 7-8, 114 yds, TD, perfect 158.3 rating

by creanium on Dec 14, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

NATE

Dude had a touchback, first since Denver I think. And was bombing the ball on nearly half his kickoffs. Props

by AirNorval on Dec 14, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Nate’s kickoffs have been pretty short at times this season. He was booming yesterday

by shaaners on Dec 14, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sending a little love for something I didn't hear mentioned once last night...

Gratz to Gates on his second career 1000 yard receiving season. Much love.

Loo loo loo, I've got some apples--GO CHARGERS!

by OPIAQ on Dec 14, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just curious John

When you talked about the Safeties being Almost Bolts, is it your opinion that Weddle is on the same level as Polamalu?

by JeromeB on Dec 14, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And

LT is the closest thing we have to Chris Johnson, but neither is very close.

by JeromeB on Dec 14, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're missing the point bro

When I say Weddle is the closet thing to Troy Im talking about “value” not skill set.

by AirNorval on Dec 14, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see your point of view

if your talking “value”, even though I may not agree with it.

by JeromeB on Dec 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

10-3

Sure does make us all get-alongy doesn’t it

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Dec 14, 2009 1:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was my fault

throwing the whole “LT – Chris Johnson comment” into the mix seemed to change the tone of the posts. It was intended as a small joke, but it could easily be taken as me being a smart ass. Other than that part I don’t think that I said anything too crazy.
Anyway my apologies to AirNorval if I was a smart ass, and if you are ever take a trip to Laughlin, NV to gamble let me know and the first couple pitchers of beer are on me.

by JeromeB on Dec 14, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No worries

As far as irony and dark humor goes, Im as guilty as anyone. My dad has a house close to Laughlin actually that he uses to evade taxes. So maybe I’ll take you up on that, when the river warms up.

by AirNorval on Dec 14, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a second...

Does that Laughlin NV offer go out to any of us tried-and-true Lightning Bolt fans? Or only those who you have been a smart ass to? Cuz I gotta tell you, Jerome, you sure were snippy with me… at some point. And I’m still getting over it. I sure could use a place to crash in Laughlin…

by Andy (allfield) on Dec 14, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chargers Super Bowl Party in Laughlin?

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 14, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wonko you are always welcome in Laughlin

How could I pass up a chance to learn all about DVOA from one of the masters.

by JeromeB on Dec 14, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wonko just read their FAQ.

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by Richard Wade on Dec 14, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rich WROTE the effin' FAQ

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Dec 14, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no master

Just a guy who lives having some numbers that evaluate how effective a team plays football. I only defend it in the hopes that I can one day use football statistics rationally in a discussion without getting accosted. DVOA just happens to be the patron saint of advanced football statistics at the moment.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 15, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Your dreams will come true

I have no doubt that one day DVOA, or something like it, will become the mainstream stats that are used by the NFL and most major sports news outlets.
Just like anything else in life each generation comes up with better ways of doing things. Sometimes it takes the “old guys in charge” a little while to come around and embrace change (or slowly die off).
The fact is any hardcore football fan who takes the time to try an understand the “new age stats” will realize that they are far more informative than the old school ones that have been in place for decades now.

by JeromeB on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As far as buying a few beers,

that offer goes for any of you tried-and-true Bolt fans on the site who make a trip to Laughlin. Just put up a post a few days before you are coming out and I will meet you somewhere.
As far as you having a place to crash in Laughlin…. Well “if” you don’t look like a homeless drug addict that is apt to come back and rob me, and “if” I don’t already have company in town, and “if” I can talk my wife into it, then you would be more than welcome to stay. The last if could be the tough one.

by JeromeB on Dec 14, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well "if" you don’t look like a homeless drug addict that is apt to come back and rob me

Important caveat, good thing you didn’t miss it.

by SJO on Dec 16, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course not.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 14, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

He’s close. Could be next season…hopefully, this post season!!

Weddle and Polamalu are great examples of, ’don’t know what you got, til its gone’

by shaaners on Dec 14, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I miss Weddle

But I am gushing at how much depth development we’re getting this season aaalll over the board. Blessings in disguise…

Loo loo loo, I've got some apples--GO CHARGERS!

by OPIAQ on Dec 14, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what you mean

by don’t know what you got til its gone, they are 2-0 without Weddle and the defense played just about as good as they have all season without him vs Dallas.

Pittsburgh’s D on the other hand has been lost without Polamalu.

by JeromeB on Dec 14, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pitt has bigger problems then its D man

Even I might stand a chance at sacking Big Ben

by AirNorval on Dec 14, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I was responding to “shaaners” comments about Weddle and Polamalu.

In my opinion Polamalu’s being hurt has had a huge impact on the Pitt defense, perhaps you disagree with on this and I may be wrong.

by JeromeB on Dec 14, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Polamalu

Hurting Pitts defense seems like a rock solid argument yes, but to connect that with their two loses is a stretch. Especially considering you throw the Chargers two wins without Weddle into the mix.

You cant do that without considering the teams as a whole. And once you look on the offensive (and STs) the comparisons dont add up. Pitt has an O that couldnt move the football and couldnt keep the Browns from sacking fat ben all day long.

So maybe their loses should be on the O and the STs for giving up huge returns.

The Chargers on the other hand have had great offensive and STs performances the last two weeks, so maybe the Chargers won and Pitt didnt despite their lose of respective safeties not because of them

by AirNorval on Dec 14, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not saying that their losses,

which have been more than two without Polamalu, were due only to his being gone.

And I am not trying to say that the Chargers winning without Weddle means he has little value. The Chargers offense is of course the most important part of the team. And the performance of a teams Offense, ST, Coaching staff and the Defensive players who are on the field all outweigh any one player who may be missing.

Again my original post was just asking “John” if he thought that Weddle and Polamalu were in the same class.

And my response to “shaaner” was simply trying to point out that in my opinion Polamalu is more valuable to the Steeler D than Weddle is to the Chargers.

Its cool if you disagree with me, I have been wrong many times in my life and this may be another one of them.

by JeromeB on Dec 14, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your opinion ...

that Polamalu is more valuable to the Steeler D than Weddle is to the Chargers’ D would seem to be very correct to me: the Steelers D has been significantly worse without him, while the Chargers D has been marginally worse without Weddle overall, and even less so against Dallas.

Sure the Chargers offense has been more reliable than Pittsburgh’s, and the Bolts seem to be a better overall team (at least at this point — with the Steelers having handled us early on), but Polamalu is not only better than Weddle, but clearly has a greater impact.

Not ragging on Weddle AT ALL — or trying to take anything away from him. I want him back and healthy against Cincy and the rest of the way.

And by the way, I know it’s not DVOA, but according to Yahoo! Sports rankings, Pittsburgh has the 7th best offense in the NFL (and 5th best defense), while the Bolts are #12 in each…. Yet look at the difference in records…. Why is that? — Difference in competition? Turnover margin? Big plays at the right times? Those rankings only mean so much…?… All of the above?!

by jctess on Dec 14, 2009 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

that’s one of the reasons why DVOA is preferred over raw stats. And Pittsburgh has been dropping in the stats the last few weeks.

The difference isn’t so much competition, as the Chargers and Steelers have played mostly the same teams. Moreover, the Steelers have lost to three of the worst teams in the league, by DVOA or any other measure.

The best I can come up with, is that in close games the Steelers just aren’t making the plays necessary to win. They’ve coughed up leads in the 4th quarter or overtime in every single one of their losses save one (Cleveland).

On the flip side, the Chargers have been fortunate enough that their best unit, the passing offense, has been given the ball and an opportunity to either to take the lead or salt a game away late. They’ve won four games that way.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 14, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you're right

much more so in Pitt’s case. both of you are right re: development of 2ndary depth. I still miss him. Seemed like the defense was really clicking right before he got hurt (pass rush, pressure, Dline rotation) after struggling to find it s identity all season. maybe its more a case of: life gives you lemons, deal with it, throw Spillman in, and find a way to win.

by shaaners on Dec 14, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

D was tight!

The D was highly crucial, especially in the first half. What made the difference was the Chargers holding the Cowboys to a single field goal over drives that featured first downs 16, 3 and 27 yards from the end zone.

Btw, Steve Gregory just joined LockerBlogger.com. Check him out at http://www.lockerblogger.com/lockers/Steve%20Gregory.

by Ddrothgirl on Dec 14, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

MR. DECEMBER?

I’m talking about Rivers here…

by zelkolnikov on Dec 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That's a horrible nickname

It’s like in baseball being called Mr. September. You really want to be shooting for Mr. January in football because its baseball’s Mr. October who is in the Hall of Fame.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 14, 2009 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Siler

I agree with most people here Siler is an animal. I think he’s going to be a key player in the next few games.

by AndySD on Dec 14, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This guy should have been on the field a long time ago

The Siler “cant cover, he cant play in space, he cant turn his hips” blah blah blah

needs to stop. I really dont care if he’s not dominate in covering TEs, he can do it just enough that he should be seeing snaps on all downs; because he actually tackles people instead of going for a ride.

by AirNorval on Dec 14, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He'll never play in nickel and dime

Just like Godfrey never did (and I think he’s a lot like Godfrey). That’s why Siler went MIA for the whole second half, because he was no longer on the field.

It’s actually kind of funny to me that people say he had a good “game” because really it was just a great half, but that half was plenty good enough.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 14, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pro Bowlers

Philip Rivers, Antonio Gates, Darren Sproles, VJ, CBs Cro and quentin,Shaun Philips oh and marcus mcneil and kris dielman

by BFTB_zach on Dec 14, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Chargers are going to the Super Bowl. No pro bowlers for us.

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by Wonko on Dec 14, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

you better

not jinx the chargers man U will be blamed!

by BFTB_zach on Dec 14, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And you didn't just jinx us

by naming off our Pro bowlers? :)

by SoCalBoltFan on Dec 14, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

Which is worse, me jinxing the Chargers into not going to the Super Bowl.

Or you basically blowing out all those players’ ACLs by naming them to the Pro Bowl and thereby keeping us from a Super Bowl.

For shame!

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Dec 14, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Dude

did I say those players r gonna blow out der ACL’s?

by BFTB_zach on Dec 14, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 14, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"It's an honor just to be selected" (or something along those lines)

“But it’s a bigger honor to skip the Pro Bowl and play in the Super Bowl”

by creanium on Dec 14, 2009 3:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It will be very interesting.

I think there will be at lot more [first time pro-bowlers] to come, since you would think the 2 best teams [in the superbowl] would have the most pro-bowlers [5-10]? and therefore would cause alot of alternates to get bumped up. Something I read on SignOn, Accee said even the teams playing in the AFC Championship game would not play in the Pro-Bowl, is this correct?

by SJO on Dec 16, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Acee said it that way

It’s probably true. I’m not sure what motivation you’d have for not letting them play in the pro bowl. Maybe its a logistical issue as far as planes and hotels. Seems like it really waters down the pro bowl to not have those players there. On the plus side, you get to see guys that you didn’t see much of in the playoffs. Spread the popularity wealth, if you will. Typically the losing coaches of the AFC and NFC Championship games coach the game too. I wonder if Acee’s correct if that changes as well.

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by Wonko on Dec 17, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just did some internetting

And it appears that AFC and NFC Championship losers will participate (although there is some speculation that they’ll bail on the game). Sometimes people word it that the “AFC and NFC Championship Game winners will not play” so maybe that causes some confusion.

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by Wonko on Dec 17, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Too early to project -- except for Rivers and Gates

The others certainly could be worthy when all is said and done with the regular season, although I don’t know about Sproles….

Among WRs, VJ’s currently 6th in the AFC in yds receiving, 11th in catches, 5th in TDs, but 1st in YPC amongst the top WRs. (Overall, he’s 3rd in YPC, right behind Malcolm!)

SP’s 6th amongst LBs in sacks but 1st in forced fumbles.

Cro and Jammer have certainly gotten more impressive, although I think they’d need a couple of monster games to be named (and multiple INTs). McNeil has gone before and has the rep, as has Dielman, so either COULD go, despite the medicore running game.

by jctess on Dec 14, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1st in DYAR and DVOA, though, which is a hell of a lot more impressive than being first in yards or catches.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 14, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus Gates is blowing away tight end competition

in DYAR, and is just behind Ben Watson in DVOA (though that may change after this past week’s results are factored in).

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 14, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Rivers automatic?

The AFC is tough because Manning and Brady seem like that they are pro bowl bound because of their popularity, past successes and continued effectiveness. The 3rd spot basically comes down to one battle: Rivers vs. Roethlisberger. I’m thinking that Big Ben will get left out due to his team’s issues and it probably doesn’t hurt that he missed a game this year and Rivers didn’t. However, you never know how these votes could go and those 2 rings for Ben combined with a pretty good season individually could get him there.

Matt Schaub is also deserving, but because his team will at best be a wild card and he’s never been seen as Pro Bowl caliber before, I don’t think he has a chance.

Gates and Dallas Clark are the automatic TEs with Gonzalez now in the NFC. You could have put that in before the season started.

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by Wonko on Dec 15, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson deserves both a Pro Bowl

and All-Pro. But he won’t get the latter, and probably won’t get the former either.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 15, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's getting there though

The catches against Dallas and NYG go a long way. Especially the one against NYG. People in the media still bring that one up (especially Phil Simms). As for the fan vote, fantasy players have definitely noticed him. Last year the WRs were Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Wes Welker and Brandon Marshall. Hard to argue with any of those selections this year again (especially Johnson and Wayne). I could see Welker or Marshall missing out in favor of Jackson. Obviously, I’d really like to see Marshall miss out.

All Pro only gets 2 WRs to the first team and I don’t see Jackson beating out Johnson, Fitzgerald or Wayne for that honor. Last year AJ and Fitz were on the first team so it seems likely that they’ll repeat and the second team was Welker and Smith, which I don’t see happening. Wayne will get a spot and the other is probably up for grabs. I wouldn’t be surprised if DeSean Jackson got it though (not saying he deserves it, but my gut is telling me that the voters could put him there).

It’s also worth noting that the last time the NFL released the leading vote getters, Darren Sproles was leading at KR. And then Dielman seems to have the earned the title of “legacy pro bowl offensive lineman” where they just keep voting for the same guys because they’ve heard their names and their teams are winners.

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by Wonko on Dec 15, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so.

I still think Vincent deserves to be an All-Pro, as he’s having a better season than all those other guys. Wayne is the only one who’s close. It should be Jackson and Wayne in the first team, with Rice and Welker or Fitzgerald for the second team.

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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 15, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fitzgerald

Seems to be the most popular WR in the league. He will get enough votes to be first team all-everything.

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by Wonko on Dec 15, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wide receiver version of Brett Favre.

“Look how much fun he’s having out there!”

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 15, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Be careful with that

Have you noticed the announcers and pre/postgame show talking heads have started to say the same about Rivers?

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by Wonko on Dec 15, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't heard it as much.

I have heard them say how firey he is, and how he’s a competitor. So I guess it’s getting there.

And I’m not trying to say Fitgerald is Favre, he’s not. He genuinely seems to be a good guy who’s enthusiastic, unlike Favre who’s all about #4.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 15, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have. I commented on it during the Dallas game. I’m not sure I like it.

Bolts from the Blue // "I have got to be the most boring GM in the league." - A.J. Smith
Bloody Elbow // "I win again. Engrish is my bitch." - Steven Zucconi

by Richard Wade on Dec 15, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely on his way ...

VJ’s deserving, but so are Andre Johnson, Wayne, Welker, Marshall, and even Randy Moss. It’s a tough field. Even Ochocinco, Hines Ward, and Santonio Holmes aren’t far behind (but, as of NOW, SHOULDN’T get the votes…).

I’d say Johnson and Reggie Wayne are pretty much locks for the Pro Bowl. Hard to deny Welker, even though he’s only got 3 TDs; as much as SD fans would like to deny Marshall, that’ll be tough, too. We’ll see how the last 3 games play out….

And, again, hopefully VJ’s playing in Miami the week AFTER the Pro Bowl anyway, and not the week of…. ;)

by jctess on Dec 15, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rivers leads all AFC QBs in QB rating

His TD to Interception ratio is the best as well (which is of course part of QB rating); I personally think he’s more deserving than Brady, but I agree: you never know how people will vote, and so he’s not a lock.

I think Schaub is more deserving than Roethlisberger (and deserving overall), but there are only 3 spots, and 3 more games to play, so we’ll see how it shakes out; if I were betting, I’d say it’ll be Manning, Rivers, and Brady, but that one of those three will be playing in February (hopefully Rivers!) and that Schaub will get to go after all … (unless Roethlisberger totally outplays him the next 3 weeks).

by jctess on Dec 15, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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