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Chargers Defeat Giants 21-20 on Last Minute Touchdown

The Chargers scoring ended as it began; with a touchdown by Vincent Jackson.  In a game in which Charger receivers struggled to hang on to passes, they managed to hang on to just enough against a penalty prone NY Giants team.  The game began poorly for San Diego when the Giants running game came straight at them, including big runs of 15 and 12 yards by New York's monster running back, Brandon Jacobs.  Jacobs would finish the game with 11 rushes for 67 yards and remarkable 6.1 average. Injuries limited his carries or this game might have gone differently.

The Giants game plan looked simple and effective, keep the ball on the ground and take short passes, and no matter what else keep that clock ticking time away from the explosive San Diego offense.  Their first drive bled more than seven minutes off the clock but stalled at the San Diego 21, the defense holding them just shy of the first down marker.  On a bizarre play that would have huge consequences the Giants bungled the snap for the field goal and the Chargers took over.

The Chargers would gain just one first down on the drive, but would wind up winning the field position war as Scifres put New York back at their 18 yard line, San Diego would take their punt at the Giant 45 when New York  failed to gain a first down.  The Chargers burned up the field in a little under three minutes with long passes to Gates and Jackson and finally the TD to Vincent Jackson.  San Diego's running game was feeble throughout as LT struggled impotently against a stout defensive line.

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This would begin the Giants second epic drive.  This one lasted 16 plays and devoured an amazing 10.5 minutes of clock as the Charger defense could not get off the field.  The Giants rammed through several penalties, two sacks and several long third down situations, before finally reaching pay dirt with a six yard pass to Steve Smith.  On the drive the Giants appeared to be able to slice the defense when needed, but even after dominating the time of possession, the score was 7-7 going into half time.

Coming out in the second half both teams struggled offensively.  The ball traded back and forth twice, but one aspect of the Giants strategy backfired.  So eager were they to keep the ball away from Sproles that Speagle shanked a short kick that started the Chargers off with a short field, starting at their own 49.  This time in just over three minutes the Chargers pushed 51 yards, the key play being a 29 yard pass interference penalty that would have been a likely third Jackson TD without it.  There is no doubt that Jackson is an elite receiver; and is playing as well as anyone in the league right now.

Down by a touchdown, the Giants fought back by driving 60 yards, capping it off with a field goal.  The Giant defense followed that up by sacking Rivers, dropping Sproles for a 9 yard loss, then stopping Sproles for a one yard game in what had to have been one of the worst San Diego series this season.  The Giants ended up with the ball at the Charger 39 yard line and quickly turned that field position into 7 points and their first lead of the day, 17-14. 

The Chargers next drive featured a Rivers 15 yard scramble up the middle, but stalled out with a four yard loss on a reverse to Vincent Jackson, as the Giants defense stayed at home.  After wasting a beautiful punt by Scifres that had the Giants pinned at their own end zone with a penalty, the Chargers did manage to stop the Giants with over three minutes on the clock; the final third down play was a sack by a resurgent Shawne Merriman.  The defense wasn't stellar, but Rivera had some terrific blitzing packages that led to five sacks and a number of very close calls.

Rivers was set up with the ball at his own ten yard line with plenty of time.  Trusting to the deep ball and the height of his receivers, he threw his second interception of the game, with the return going all the way down to the four yard line of San Diego.  With just about three minutes left the game appeared to be all but over, perhaps the Chargers' season with it.  On the Giants' first play they committed a holding penalty that put them back to first and goal with 13 yards to go; penalties killed them all day.  The Giants decided to go with their game plan and chew clock and run the ball.  They were unable to push the ball in for the final dagger, but instead settled for the field goal and a 20-14 lead.

Philip Rivers got a second chance with two minutes on the clock and 80 yards to go for the win.  The Giants looked to cover the sidelines, probably to keep the clock running, and left the middle but softly defended.  Rivers would take what the Giants gave him, going to Gates for 9, Naanee for 5, Floyd for 12, back to Gates for 10 and then hit Sproles who scampered for 21; all from that soft middle.  57 yards to four receivers in just over a minute, the Giants gave up 5 more yards with a defensive holding penalty.  First and ten from the New York 18 and Rivers would get the ball to the fifth receiver of the drive, this time to the right side of the end zone as Vincent Jackson pulled down the final touchdown with just 20 seconds left on the clock.  Merriman would put the exclamation point on the win with a final sack of Manning on the Giants final desperation drive.

This was a game the Chargers were fortunate to win; with time of possession, yards passing, yards rushing and turnovers all favoring the Giants.  On paper this should have been a New York win, but penalties troubled them all day as they wracked up 9 for 104 yards, and you just can't give Rivers two bites at the big apple in the fourth quarter.

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What I saw out of Weddle and Ellison today, with some exceptions.

by Dalton on Nov 8, 2009 10:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You said it perfectly

Penalties killed us (the giants)

And we underestimated Rivers. Nice game. Maybe when all is said and done, we’ll meet again in Tampa. While i wouldn’t count on it, maybe next time the good guys will win

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by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fortunate to win

I agree the Chargers were fortunate to win. And as a fan, it is easy to focus on all the things that went wrong and how you got lucky at the end. But a win is a win, no matter how it comes to be.

Yes, they had to come from behind in the last two minutes of the game. But you know what, great quarterbacks do that. Do we think less of John Elway or Brett Farve because of all the times they had to come back in the fourth quarter? Not at all. In fact, that is why we think of them as great quarterbacks, because they were able to rally their team so often when it looked hopeless. It’s why you have one of “those guys”, and today, Phillip Rivers was one of “those guys”

Does this team still have flaws? Sure, and we’ll spend the rest of the week talking about those. Flaws can be worked on though. Schemes can be adjusted. Indy and the Giants were far from perfect leading up to their Super Bowl runs. Coming from behind today doesn’t mean the Chargers will make a run, but it means they still can make a run. It’s what “those guys” do. They keep you alive so next week still means something.

by DCB on Nov 8, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

always the voice of reason Don Wonko...

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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 9, 2009 1:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is where we are

You’re right, Wonko. I feel like this – we have to run what we brung. No time to be tinkering but so much under the hood. We’ll get Nick back soon. What else can we really do for the run game – try Bennett?

Travis Johnson seems to be helping. Boone had a pretty good game yesterday. Obviously Merriman is getting healthier & his impact elevates everyone’s game. If the group that we have right now can remain healthy, we’re going to keep seeing incremental improvements. I don’t know why we start slow or seem to need to have a crisis to perform well – ADD? – & I don’t really care right now. We can’t change much for 2009 except keep grinding.

And cheer against Denver.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Nov 9, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Shouldn't have been this close

Yes, it seems like we were fortunate to win, but if not for so many dropped catches (by gates and floyd) and ruined rhythm, I feel like we should have been in a better position at the end.

by myn on Nov 8, 2009 11:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Giants can say the same thing. These were two fairly evenly matched teams that both made plays and made mistakes and the score reflects that.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 9, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not so sure they weren't forced to lose it.

When the chargers are rolling they force a lot of penalties. VJ forces PI penalties. If the Giants hadn’t commited that PI penalty on him, he scores a TD. When Phillips and Merriman and the rest of the pass rush is going, it is going to cause holding penalties.

I was actually surprised at how many big penalties the Giants were able to recover from and eventually pick up the first down.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 9, 2009 5:47 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, those Giants wanted it really bad.

But they only have two working components in their offense, and only one of them clicked yesterday for the most part (Jacobs). They do a lot better on the short game than we do; a lot of that is on Eli’s speed of foot, but their backs and that Smith guy are very good players. Eli really is the anti-Rivers in that sense. He’s a lot like the PR Machine on 3rd and long, though!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 9, 2009 7:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest mistake the Giants

made in my opinion was on their possesion after the Rivers pick late in the fourth. I know they like to run but 3rd and goal from the 9 and they run it up the middle, settling for a FG. I think you have to at least take a shot at the endzone. If they score a td there the game is over. I think that there are far too many conservative coaches in the NFL.
When you settle for FGs you often settle for losing.

by JeromeB on Nov 9, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Chargers still had to stop those runs

To some extent that qualifies as keeping the other team out of the end zone to preserve your chances at winning.

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by Wonko on Nov 9, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not meant as a knock against our D

Just thought that on 3rd and goal from the 9 it was too conservative of a call by the Giants. To me coaches should “try” to put games away more often rather than trying to hang on to the win.
The Chargers D did what they had to for the Chargers to win, and they very well could have stopped the Giants even if they had tried a pass on third down.

by JeromeB on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our pass defense is better than our run defense. 3rd and Goal from the 9, you’re not that likely to score either way. Running the ball was less likely to stop the clock or result in a turnover. I was hoping they’d try to throw it there.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 9, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was glad that they ran it

and gave us a chance to win. Regardless of the denfense that you are going against your chances on third and 9 are better with a pass than with a run, in my opinion.

As far as the clock goes, leaving two minutes on the clock when you are playing one of the better passing teams in the league is plenty of time.

The next time the Chargers run it inside the tackles on third and 9, which may not happen, remember your post before you complain.

by JeromeB on Nov 9, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’d be different since the Giants are a great running team and we’re terrible at it. Also, the defense they were facing was much better defending the pass than the run. That and the whole clock situation.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 9, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

I am the only one that thinks the Giants should have taken a shot at the endzone 3rd and goal from the 9, with a chance to put the game away. Instead they ran it up the middle, kicked a fg to go up by 6 and left just over 2 minutes on the clock for one of the best passing teams in the nfl.

If I am alone in left field on this one, then I guess I was meant to be a left fielder.

by JeromeB on Nov 9, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The other part of that

Is that it would have left the Chargers with more time and more timeouts even if they had scored. I’d still take the touchdown, but you give the Chargers a lot of time to score, get an onside kick and score again. Or, you fail to put in the end zone, kick the FG anyway and leave the Chargers needing a TD with multiple timeouts and more clock time. Whereas, if you have confidence in your run game, you could eat clock and timeouts, then score and leave the Chargers with 1 or no timeouts, less time on the clock, and needing either a TD or a TD, onside kick and FG..

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 9, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Just curious Wonko

I enjoy reading your thoughts on both sides of many issues. But just out of curiousity what would you have done if you were the Giants Coach?
3rd and goal on the 9 yard line 2:55 to go up by 3?

By running it the Chargers used one additional time out and got the ball with 2:05 to go. The Giants did force the Chargers to use one TO and used up an extra 40 seconds.
As far as the td onside kick score again theory goes, I guess anything is possible.

by JeromeB on Nov 9, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One correction in the scenario

The Chargers did not use a time out after the 3rd down run by Jacobs. So by running the Giants did not force them to use an additional time out, but the did use up the extra 40 seconds as I posted above.
So the forcing them to use a timeout part of it does not apply.

by JeromeB on Nov 9, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would have done exactly what they did

I might not have squibbed the kickoff though.

There’s a chance I might have thrown on 3rd down. Maybe something that had a short option as a check down that had a chance for the end zone, but was easy to complete and would work like a running play if none of the other options are open.

It’s hard to say though. I imagine that the Giants have a lot of confidence in being able to pound the ball. I haven’t had that sort of confidence in a running in a long time.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 9, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That surprises me

A third and 9 run between the tackles seems like settling for the fg to me. Again it did not force the Chargers to use another time out.
Anyway if you would have done exactly what they did you would have lost. Sorry

by JeromeB on Nov 9, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not like Jacobs is incapable of a 9 yard run against a weak run defense like San Diego’s.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 9, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Losing 40 seconds off the clock is pretty valuable

Even if the timeout is not used. If there were 40 more seconds on the clock, there would be a lot more room for error on that Chargers drive. They probably could have even run the ball at least once.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 9, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Squib kick

You’re right, they kicked off with something like 2:06 left on the clock. A return would have nulified the 2 minute warning, and left us needing one more play that takes about 25 seconds.

by SJO on Nov 9, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t even think of that.

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by John Gennaro on Nov 9, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

25 seconds

seems like a big number to me. They still had their timeout and Rivers could have clocked the ball if needed. The drive just turned out to be really easy. I don’t even think they had a third down on the drive.

by JeromeB on Nov 9, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True, but I say 25 seconds

for a completed play in bounds, and to get up to the line for the next play. They could have used a timeout, but then would have been on the 18 yard line, 20 seconds left with 0 timeouts, changing the what the offense is capable of doing at that point. Knowing a team has to go end zone or out of bounds forces huge change.

by SJO on Nov 9, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Spoken like a pissy Giant fan

Or a Charger fan who can’t see that the ball bounced our way. It’s true that Giants mistakes helped to keep it close – too bad. That’s all that a real leader at the QB position needs.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

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by Buck Melanoma on Nov 9, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny how with all the drops and whatnot, had we lost yesterday one could have made the argument that the Giants didn’t so much win the game as the Chargers lost it. Both teams made mistakes. Both teams failed to capitalize on opportunities. One team made the necessary plays in the fourth quarter to win anyway.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 9, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I've seen as more playoff games won and lost that way

Than games where two teams played really well the whole way through. It’s not a big problem to win that way. It is a bummer to lose that way though.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 10, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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