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Hindsight: How Could This Have Been Avoided?

I think we have a good front office, especially considering some of the ones that are out there in other cities (Oakland, Detroit, St. Louis). But the fact remains that they've made some fairly significant errors that has lead to this team being in the state it currently is--an average team with a few talented players, but not enough to be considered an elite group.

Hindsight is 20/20. I'm not disputing that. But A.J. has, over the past few years, appeared to over-value the players already on the team, and not taken any affirmative steps to improve the team beyond the draft. What I'd like to do is take a look back at the 2009 off-season and see what A.J. Smith and the front office could have reasonably, and realistically, done to improve this team. I know it's easier to see things now than several months ago, but I still think it could be a useful and interesting exercise to see what could have been.

By "realistic" and "reasonable", I mean no signings of Albert Haynesworth for $100+ million, no firing Turner or the coaching staff as a whole, no firing A.J. Smith, no replacing half the team and switching to a 4-3. I mean moderate steps that could have translated to significantly improved product on the field.

Feel free to agree or disagree with me. Let's take a look.

 

 

 

Star-divide

The Draft

The draft is the primary tool A.J. likes to use to build and improve a team, and I largely agree with this approach. I don't really have an issue with many of the choices he made, but I think he made a mistake with his 1st, and by extension 3rd, round picks.

I like Larry English. I think he looks like a good kid and has the potential to be a stand-out outside linebacker. I also realize that we had a problem with rushing the passer last year. But despite what we were told in the off-season about a 3-headed monster of pass-rushers, the reality has been that with Shawne Merriman's return, English hasn't seen the field much, and when he has been out there it's mostly been special teams.

A first round pick that could have made an immediate and SIGNIFICANT impact would have been Michael Oher. Many of us hoped/expected us to take him when our turn came and he was still unselected, and I count myself as stunned as anyone else was when Goodell called out English's name instead of Oher's. The simple truth is that Jeromey Clary has been average. He has his good days, and bad days, but he's never going to light the world on fire. Oher could have stepped in and started immediately and played at a high level, just as he's done in Baltimore. That could have allowed us to shift Clary to guard, where many think he would be better suited.

With Oher at right tackle and Clary at right guard, our 3rd round pick could have been used on any other position of need--safety, defensive line, running back. I'm not well-versed enough in the draft to know who would have been available in the 3rd round for us had we not chosen Vasquez. And that's not to say I don't like Vasquez--I do and think he'll be a great guard. But it probably would have been better for the team overall to have an experienced player starting at right guard and to have used the 3rd round pick on a player that could have filled another position of need.

Free Agency

This is where I, and many others, have the biggest problem with A.J. Smith. It's an interesting problem, too, because in the past he wasn't as averse to free agency as he is now. He brought in multiple free agents in the 2004 off-season, and it was a major reason why the Chargers went from last-to-first in one season's time. I have no idea what happened between then and now that's made him avoid it to the extent he has, but since 2004 he hasn't signed one impact free agent I'm aware of (unless you count Kevin Burnett). If someone knows why, please enlighten me.

When you avoid free agents so completely like A.J. does, you're trying to build/improve a team with one hand tied behind your back, and that's not a productive approach. Like I said before, I'm not advocating the idea that A.J. should have paid through the nose to acquire someone like Albert Haynesworth. But there were multiple mid-tier free agents he could have at least PURSUED to attempt to improve the team.

For the safety position, A.J. did make an offer to Jermaine Phillips. Phillips isn't a bad player, but he's got an extensive injury history, evidenced by him missing the last several games of 2008 with a broken arm, and his being placed on IR already this season with the same injury. Plus at the time, many observers believed Phillips was making the rounds in free agency solely to induce the Buccaneers to increase their offer to him. This is in fact what happened, as Phillips re-signed in Tampa.

What A.J. could have, perhaps should have, done was pursue free agent safeties Brian Dawkins, Darren Sharper, and Sean Jones. Dawkins and Sharper have already proven to be impact players on their new teams. Jones hasn't gotten a lot of playing time and probably isn't as talented as Dawkins or Sharper, but he would definitely have been an improvement over the Hart/Gregory/Ellison platoon. Regardless, any of these three players, especially the first two, could have provided immediate impact in the secondary and significantly improved our defense.

On the defensive line, I've already suggested in a couple other posts that we should have pursued Chris Canty. The point has been made that he was injured, and that is true, but he was injured in practice the Wednesday before the first game of the season. That's the kind of injury that's a freak thing, and could just as easily not have happened had he been in San Diego rather than New York. He would have immediately upgraded our defensive line, especially with Bingham going down and Cesaire spending the entire off-season injured. At the very least, he would have been the second most talented player on the line after Castillo, and could have been a valuable contributor to the rotation on the defensive line.

Coaching

This section is perhaps not so realistic. It's probably more wishful thinking. I've made it known elsewhere that I'm not impressed with Ron Rivera. He's not a 3-4 coordinator, and it shows. It would have been really, really nice to have hired an ACTUAL 3-4 coordinator this off-season, one who knows how to use its strengths and disguise its weaknesses. It doesn't seem very realistic to have replaced Rivera this off-season, though, given that he seemed like he had things in hand towards the end of the season. Plus the top 3-4 coordinators, Nolan and Capers, were each hired on January 13th and 19th respectively, which were mere days after our season ended.

Conclusion

In the end, this team wasn't as good as we hoped it would be. Merriman has taken weeks to work his way back, LT is clearly not the back he once was, and our offensive line has struggled in both run blocking and pass protection. The steps I've suggested above wouldn't have been a quick fix by any means. But they would have helped. We would have had a better outlook for the remainder of the season, and people like me wouldn't be being accused of needing Prozac (that's for you, 'Tec).

Like I said, I like A.J. But he really needs to recognize this team's shortcomings, and instead of standing mostly pat and depending on rookies, he needs to go out there and take affirmative steps to improve this team in the 2010 off-season.

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Good stuff...

And with less vitriol than I used following the loss to Denver. Rec’d

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by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Nov 4, 2009 5:18 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Very pessimistic.

I’m totally with you on Oher over English, and that would have freed up a 2nd and a 4th to spend on a DT and either a Safety or a pass-rusher type. But I think it’s too early to call these guys average. We’ll know a lot more about where we are in 3 weeks: the “bottom tier” has fallen so bad that the Chargers are clearly above it, but they could be as low as mediocre. However, this same team made the AFCC game from a very similar position two years ago. They’re getting healthier, adjusting to the absence of Williams, getting Tomlinson and Merriman back into the act. We don’t know enough about this team to say much of anything yet, except that we should count our blessings but not our chickens. 13-3 is very unlikely, but it’s a lot more likely than 4-12, no?

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 4, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Tired of the Oher talk

What if the Chargers liked Vasquez more the Oher? It would be silly to spend the top 2 draft picks on offensive linemen with the offensive line coming off a pretty good year (where they were banged up all season), especially when the team saw potential in Jeromey Clary. And it would be silly to pick Oher instead of Vasquez just because one of them was rated as a first rounder on Mel Kiper’s big board.

Oher came from an unstable background and has a learning disability. These could’ve been red-flags. Or perhaps, in building the team around Rivers, the Chargers wanted somebody who was rated higher as a pass-protector. It doesn’t matter.

I’m under the belief that the Chargers didn’t think Merriman was going to be very effective in 2009 and needed a pass rusher more than anything. And even if he was (which it looks like he might be), chance are he’ll be gone in 2010 or 2011 and you simply cannot compete without a decent pass-rush.

I’m also under the belief that they saw just as much value in taking Vasquez in the 3rd round as taking Oher in the 1st, with one of them being a much smaller risk.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 3:50 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I see what you mean. I’m just looking for a point of agreement, and in hindsight a successful OT pick is better than a successful OLB pick, so hey, it’s not an indefensible position. My major point is that Maestro seems willing to throw in the towel on a 4-3 team with a history of great Decembers, and that seems kind of nutty to me.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 5, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With the way our O Line was shaping up leading into the draft...

We could have used both Oher & Vasquez. AJ knew he didn’t want Goff. At the time McNeill’s neck was a big question Marcus. We needed to upgrade the lines, not just hold the status quo.

Instead AJ gave into to his animosity of Merriman and drafted a replacement player. And then thought he could replace LT with a #4 selection of Gatrell. Where did Gatrell go anyway? Oh yeah the Giants pulled him off the scrap heap didn’t they?

Let’s face it AJ doesn’t like Marque players, high profile free agents & fat guys.

by Trendsearcher on Nov 5, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone like fat guys?

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 5, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s ridiculous to think that English was drafted because AJ Smith doesn’t like Merriman. Shawne’s knee was 10 times more questionable than McNeill’s neck (which held up during 2008, when he still wasn’t that bad). The defense, and the pass rush, was the reason for 8-8 last season. AJ wanted to avoid that now, and avoid it in the future when the Chargers are out-priced in the Merriman market.

Drafting Oher and Vasquez wouldn’t have made sense. Vasquez wasn’t supposed to be a starter, Forney was. Plus LJ Shelton was supposed to be the backup OT. If they draft Oher and Vasquez, not only is nobody real happy with it (was O-line a problem in 2008?), but it forces the team to get rid of Clary or Shelton (and they liked both players, a lot) for nothing. Also, there’d be no plan in place for the future of the pass-rush.

High profile free agents are overpriced. I’m glad AJ Smith doesn’t like them.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You probably remember my perspective on this John
Shawne’s knee was 10 times more questionable than McNeill’s neck

But at the time I felt completely opposite. Merriman was only a PCL, (as opposed to ACL or MCL.) certainly a significant injury, but still lots of stability in the knee. I still don’t know what Marcus’s "neck" injury was, or the procedure he endured. At the time I thought the worst. It is wonderful that Marcus’ condition turned out better than I was guessing.

When did AJ begin hating Merriman? Because I think it began lonnng before Tequila. My best guess is when Shawne pulled out after game one last season. Either way AJ hates him now that seems plain.

by Trendsearcher on Nov 5, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think AJ Smith hates Merriman.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So are we elimited from the playoffs now?

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 4, 2009 5:39 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

dude I keep saying that...wow that leadership....the defense would have been much more motivated and intensified by having a man like that at the helm,plus cooper would have benefited as well,it would have ben good.

key phrase-would have been…coulda woulda shoulda….only happens in Madden my friends.

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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 4, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

Ray-ray wanted too much money. I am a huge fan of his, and think he would’ve helped, but not at the price he was asking.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 3:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he wouldnt have been able to stuff that run in week 1...

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by justdave on Nov 5, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

week 2

and you’re right.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bart Scott?

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 4, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Either one would have been nice.

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by Richard Wade on Nov 4, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bart Scott definitely.

I don’t think we would have afforded Lewis the autonomy he seems to need to be successful.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt we could have landed either of them.

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by Richard Wade on Nov 4, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

which is why I didn’t suggest either.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

This season would’ve been better if Oher was chosen

by BFTB_zach on Nov 4, 2009 6:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i also thought michael oher shouldve been chosen (that's what i was expecting)

also, i think they made that movie “the blindside” about him w/ sandra bullock coming out soon. looks kinda lame.

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by tonik on Nov 4, 2009 7:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

book is excellent

movie looks like it focuses on Leigh Ann Tuohy (Bullock) too much though

by 'Eaters on Nov 4, 2009 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The book was great. I’m not looking forward to the movie. I was hoping we’d draft Oher, but I’m not convinced yet that they made the wrong pick 8 weeks into the season.

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by Richard Wade on Nov 4, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

As I said in the comment above, Vasquez has been every bit as impressive as Oher (with a lot less risk) and the team wasn’t ready to give up on Clary yet.

Also, I like the idea of having a seasoned pass-rusher to take Merriman’s place when he leaves.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 3:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I find that rather odd

The book was pretty good, but Mrs. Tuohy was barely in it. It’s like they said, hey here’s a great story, let’s not tell it. Plus, the football fans like the book because it has a lot of good insight on the advancement of the NFL game as well as the college game, something tells me the movie will leave that out for shots of Sandra Bullock looking caring or proud.

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by Wonko on Nov 5, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

The trailer makes it look like Sandra Bullock is the football coach as well. I get the feeling they combined the Tuohy parents into one character. Terrible move.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 3:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sean Tuohy wasn’t the football coach either.

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by Richard Wade on Nov 5, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They made him an assistant coach.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most of your post

But when I try to think of recent superbowl champions who have made good use of free agency, none really jump out at me.

Pittsburgh last year really didn’t have anyone I can think of
Giants the year before… maybe Plaxico
Colts the year before.. none
Pitt again… none (maybe you would count Bettis, but I think he was a trade)
Pats prior two years.. here we’ve got some judicious FA additions (Rodney Harrison, the RB from Cinci)

Not a lot of SB winners made any kind of splash in FA. Definately not anything like a 1st weekend FA (like Haynesworth and Canty).

Of the second tier FAs (guys like Burnett who sign a week or so into FA) are where the value is, and unless some of us regularly talk with Chris Collinsworth, I’m betting none of us could name any second tier FAs we should have gone after (how many of us had even heard of Kevin Burnett before we got him, or Foley or Godfree for that matter).

So, on some level I feel like we should sign more FAs, but at the same time, I couldn’t name anyone who we should have signed (Ray Ray wasn’t going anywhere, nor should he have)

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 4, 2009 7:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Steelers aren't big players in FA

we build in the draft. The biggest FA move was sign Farrior. We look for players that are second teir a la Moore, Fox ect.
And Bettis was a trade.

by Steel in FL on Nov 4, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the official Steelers depth chart

you have 5 starting players that were signed as unrestricted free agents:

Justin Hartwig
Carey Davis
Travis Kirschke
James Farrior
Ryan Clark

The Chargers have one (1): Kevin Burnett.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Coming into this season

the Chargers only had three starters that had ever played for another NFL team—Clinton Hart, Chris Chambers, and Kevin Burnett.

Two of them have since been cut. The Chargers have the largest number of homegrown starters in the NFL. We’ve had for the last few years the highest proportion of homegrown starters in football, yet it hasn’t produced a Super Bowl.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Why was Clinton Hart released?

He always seemed pretty good to me.

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by cpa913 on Nov 4, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A number of reasons.

He was average at best, and he hasn’t been at his best since 2007.

There were/are a couple younger kids they wanted to get playing time.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Think Mike Brown, but much much worse.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 3:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Got it

Thanks

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by cpa913 on Nov 5, 2009 6:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't think the guys I pointed out were top tier free agents.

Dawkins may have been. I don’t think Sharper, Jones, or Canty were.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jones was definitely not.

Also, I can’t help but mention that Andra Davis’ name is nowhere to be found here when talking about potential FA signings. He’s a big part of the Denver D and has been making more plays than Dawkins has.

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by Wonko on Nov 5, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

I think the issue there is that Davis is too much like Stephen Cooper. The Chargers problem wasn’t collecting a bunch of tackles in the middle of the defense, it was covering TEs. Burnett was supposed to fix that.

I could’ve been talked into Sharper (and sliding Weddle over to SS). He’s an interception machine.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 3:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a lot

The Eagles do a good job of doing what the Chargers used to do, picking up second-tier or third-tier FAs. However, their drafting in the past few years has also been ridiculously successful. Andy Reid doesn’t get enough credit for being one of the league’s best GMs.

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by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 4:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I said I largely agree with their approach

and really only advocated signing one or two FAs at most, at key areas where, as you pointed out, we’ve consistently failed to develop starters, most significantly the safety spot.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 5, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Notes?

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 5, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

is that a bit of arrogance there Mr. Wonko?...rec'd for schooling the young lad

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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 5, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very nice. Way to put Mark in his place.

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by Richard Wade on Nov 5, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants also had starters on the offensive

and defensive lines that were signed as UFAs.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The big assumption...

…is that your changes would have made us “better”. Maybe, maybe not. However I would argue they would affect our long term future and stability, especially considering how many of our talented players are up for resigning.

imvho

Vasquez, Clary, English >>>> Oher, Clary, ????(insert 3rd rounder here)

When all else fails....

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by pacstud on Nov 4, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

All you have to do is look at the impact those players have had on their respective teams.

Sharper? He’s got 7 picks already, 3 of them returned for touchdowns.
Dawkins? A big reason for Denver’s turnaround on defense, he’s making plays and is a big leader in their locker room.

Oher has been a near-dominant right tackle. Clary? Not so much.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And as for affecting the future

sure it would, but I don’t think anything the team couldn’t afford. If you want to win a championship, you have to make moves like that to improve your team.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

does the uncertainity in the CBA have anything to do with it?

2010 does not have pact with the union, right? not sure of the impact, but I know I read that AJ was delaying signing guys until the CBA got cleared up. not sure if that applied to FA’s; seems like you could have a single year on many of the guys and be OK

by jayman66 on Nov 4, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The current CBA runs through 2010

and expires at the conclusion of that season, in early 2011.

No one knows “for sure” if the CBA situation is causing the Chargers’ FO from signing players. It’s been speculated, for the simple reason that if there isn’t a new agreement, it won’t be necessary to sign many of these players until after the 2010 season.

Either way, it shouldn’t affect a team from signing any unrestricted free agents.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 4, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are insane

I can’t believe you people on this blog writing everything off already. Everyone is up in arms about getting off to a 2-3 start and then blaming it on AJ and Norv….

How can you do that when the most important piece of your D-line in a 3-4 goes down?
And don’t say we should have gotten haynsworth. He’s like the most expensive FA on the mkt. How can you honestly expect for the Chargers to pay for 2 All pro NT players? Thats insane.

The coaching staff and AJ were obviously comfortable with Clary going into the draft. The injury of Hardwick made everything look so much worse. Maybe with Hardwick back the line will actually look decent.

As for the safety, we have a lot of young guys that are still panning out – give it time.

by myn on Nov 4, 2009 10:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Other than the part about calling him insane

I actually think you are more in agreement with Maestro than you think. In fact, every point you mention is probably something he would agree with.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 5, 2009 1:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Also, you may want to re-read this paragraph…

By “realistic” and “reasonable”, I mean no signings of Albert Haynesworth for $100+ million, no firing Turner or the coaching staff as a whole, no firing A.J. Smith, no replacing half the team and switching to a 4-3. I mean moderate steps that could have translated to significantly improved product on the field.

maestro is not necessarily calling for anyone’s head or asking for huge free agent signings. He’s looking back to see if there’s something that could’ve been done that would’ve put the team in a more stable position and then wondering why they weren’t done.

I’d also like to note that I don’t believe Dawkins or Sharper signed short-term deals, which means as much as they are helping their teams now they could potentially be hurting them in the future.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 4:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

What they said.

Pretty much the only things I’m really advocating were signing one or two free agents to fill some fairly glaring holes in the roster. I said I would have liked to change defensive coordinators, but didn’t think it was feasible at the time (though if we don’t make the playoffs, I’d definitely like to make that switch).

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 5, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i think we should switch to the 4-3

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by notorioushbi on Nov 5, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i couldn't help myself

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

by notorioushbi on Nov 5, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's still funny.....

Rec’d

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think a lot of us

Like the witch theory.

Chargers = Aztecs
We have proof.

by Dude52089 on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 5, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

He used it in a totally inappropriate situation.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue ::This spot currently available for lease::
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 5, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we should switch to a 3-3-5

I wonder what pacstud thinks. He seems to know all this fancy stuff about football.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue ::This spot currently available for lease::
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 5, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

46

HUSTLE MADE ENT. NEW TRACK...CHECK FOR IT...NOTHING BUT THAT KILLA CALI FIRE FO SHO!!! http://www.myspace.com/jayoh1ne

by Gorditoe1 on Nov 5, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

GAH!

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking may be

a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 or go outside the box with the German style 3-6-1.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 5, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Replace the ball bearings.

Awww, come on guys, it’s so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It’s all ball bearings nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads, and I’m gonna need ’bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like the time I took the ferry to Shelbyville.

I needed a new heel for my shoe so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. Give me five bees for a quarter you’d say. Now where were we, oh ya. The important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because if the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue ::This spot currently available for lease::
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 5, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And Vaughn Martin wouldn’t look like a fish out of water.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 5, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(whistle blows)

Penalty on the defense, 12 men on the field.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 5, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(memo from Goodell)

That’s a $2000 fine for speaking out about the refs.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 6, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the soccer reference

Chargers = Aztecs
We have proof.

by Dude52089 on Nov 5, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I thought it helped move the conversation into a new realm of ridiculousness.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 5, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember

mentioning before the season started that signing a couple mid level free agents at some key spots would be a good idea for the Chargers, everyone posted that we had a ton of young talent and signing free agents would be a waste.
I am not a big fan of going free agent crazy, but if people take an honest look at the top teams over the years they will see that a couple free agents at key positions do make a difference.
Most people have their mind made up on their “free agency stance” so there is no point in trying to break down teams rosters and debate the subject (I have done that before on the site).
I still believe that free agents are a small, but important, piece to the puzzle of trying to put together a championship team. If other people don’t thats o.k. with me.

by JeromeB on Nov 5, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AJ Smith has slipped...

I too wondered why English was taken and not Oher. As far as Tomlinson being unproductive, blame it entirely on the Offensive line play and Turner’s playcalling. Why Dawkins and Sharper weren’t pursued, no Idea, but Sharper plays like Weddle, so Dawkins would have been a better fit. A physical safety with skill at the LOS.

by Superduperboltman on Nov 5, 2009 5:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I know Sharper is listed as a free safety on the depth chart

and so is Weddle, but numerous times over the last couple years, Acee has written there is actually little difference in the two safety positions in the Chargers’ system.

We're boned.

by maestro876 on Nov 5, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post! I couldn't agree more!!!

Building through the draft is the right strategy, but you’ve got to supplement that by adding free agents. Yes, it will affect your future, but I would rather take the risk and go for a SB instead of playing it safe and building perennial playoff teams that never win anything more than AFC West titles…

And thank you for stating up front that you weren’t talking about unrealistic acquistions like signing Haynesworth or breaking the bank. I don’t think any of us that support signing free agents are suggesting that they take the Raiders/Redskins approach to signing the biggest stars and giving up on the draft. Just don’t live or die by the draft alone…

by garrett1230 on Nov 5, 2009 8:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's early to grade '09 draft, the key mistakes were made years earlier

First off every GM makes mistakes, but the key mistakes for AJ Smith are the following, AJ’s first pick he ever made is his worst Sammie Davis in ’03, he traded down from the middle of the first round and lost out on Troy Polumalu. In ’07 it was Buster Davis he could have taken Anthony Gonzalez but went with measurables instead of polish.

Not signing that veteran impact safety is killing them this year, on Rivera he’s improving and he better get comfortable with an agressive aproach because the pass rush on this team is not good enough for 3-5 man rush. This team requires 6 up to 7 man rush to succeed, or at least pump up the use of safety and corner blitzes.

Lets make peace with the idea that Norv is here to stay until they don’t make the playoffs, so the only thing to really talk about is his coaching staff and play calling.

by TJBOLT on Nov 5, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Buster has the size and intangibles to one day be a starter, Anthony Gonzalez does not. Gonzo has played well in that offense, and in that dome, but will continue to struggle staying healthy when he can’t avoid the hits. Also, he can easily be bumped at the line. I believe, at the time, many people thought the Gonzalez pick was a reach.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gonzalez and Buster, its not even argument who's better right now

I would be concerned on Gonzalez ability to stay healthy but Buster has proven to be even more brittle. I just don’t see Buster becoming a starter here any time soon. Floyd and Legedu are clearly ahead in the depth chart. I hope you’re right on Buster becoming a starter, but I certainly wouldn’t put money on it.

by TJBOLT on Nov 5, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Both picks were thought to be reaches

Although, there were a few that saw Gonzalez getting into the first round for a team that valued a slot receiver.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 5, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How different would this team be if Rex Ryan were the coach?

I have always had the theory the reason Norv was hired was to maximize Philip Rivers, and on that front he has succeeded. But I still think Rex Ryan would have a championship level defense here, and while Philip development would have been slower they would have a better team today.

I guy can speculate and ask if.

by TJBOLT on Nov 5, 2009 11:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rex Ryan is 8 games into his career as a head coach and is .500 (4-4). Let’s not crown him the next Parcells just yet.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I respect your opinion John, but

I find it hard to believe that this defense wouldn’t be much better under Rex, and still I contend the chargers are more talented roster than the Jets. I don’t think Rex is Lombardi reborn but I still think I slight upgrade over Norv, and maybe more than just slight.

by TJBOLT on Nov 5, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll take the guy with 180 games under his belt that’s been a proven winner in the playoffs.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Nov 5, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lost Draft Picks

I agree with Wonko about our lack of quality depth and players being able to step up and replace each other. The mistake is not who we drafted or didn’t draft, since the draft is a crapshoot. You never know how a player will turn out and you can’t go back and say, we should have drafted xyz. instead of abc. You can only debate the strategy that was used to select a certain player.

Exhibit A Eric Weddle, Exibit B Jacob Hester
We gave up the following draft picks to obtain these two players:
2nd [62 overall]
3rd [93 overall]
3rd [90 overall]
5th [167 overall]
Received Eric Weddle 2nd round [37th overall]

2nd [47 overall]
5th [160 overall]
Received Jacob Hester 3rd round [69 overall]

We gave up 6 draft picks to get 2. 4 of those draft picks we gave up were in Rounds 2-3. This is how AJ chose to re-stock his depth chart. He traded this depth for “starting” talent, and put us in this position today. I’m not saying to fire the guy, but this is definitely one mistake that put us in our current conundrum.

by SJO on Nov 5, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I really don't get that whole mindset

The idea of trading multiple picks like that for one guy. I get the whole supposed “value” thing, but it boggles my small brain how these GMs don’t realize they just giving away bodies that could pan out to be, at the very least, depth.

And don’t even get me started on the whole Chicago-Denver trade, which is looking stupider by the day! I said it at the time (although not here), but to give away TWO number 1s?? For Jay Cutler?? Chicago will be kicking themselves come next April, and as Bronco haters, we’ll all want to kick them too.

by Andy (allfield) on Nov 5, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One Player Away

I think AJ believed too much in all the stories about how we had the most talented roster in the NFL. We had all these draft picks, but could we even fit them on the roster? Once you buy that, it becomes pretty easy to fall in love with that one player who is going to change you from the ‘Lord of no Rings’ to "Master of all he Surveys’. What I like about AJ is he comes out and admits he has made mistakes; and the fact that we have all our picks for next years draft proves that. Maybe he isn’t the infallible guru we all want; the reality is that he has done well enough to put the Chargers in the playoffs and contention for rings for a lot of years now.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 6, 2009 8:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Almost all of our picks

Just nitpicking. Travis Johnson is our 5th-rounder.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 6, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I get the mindset

And I’d be fine if you did it once every like 5 years and got:
1. a guy at a position you need
2. drafted him in a spot appropriate with his NFL prospects
3. there was a lack of depth at that position in the draft

That pretty much describes the Weddle “trade”. The Hester one was a big mistake. While the Chargers had an opening at FB, Hester wasn’t really a FB, it was likely he would be available later in the draft and there were other guys of a similar talent level available later (like Peyton Hillis and obviously, as a UDFA, Mike Tolbert). That 2nd round pick we lost cost us shots at LeSean McCoy, Shonn Greene, Max Unger, Phil Loadholt, Fili Moala, Will Moore and William Beatty. How good would Max Unger have looked for us. A lineman that could play all the 3 OL positions while also having the talent to start in the NFL?

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 6, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

My sentiments exactly.

The Weddle deal made some sense, the Hester deal not so much.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 6, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2, 3, 4 round picks are the bread and butter of a deep football team. No way did it make sense to give away that much. Reminds me of the infamous Bryan Still trade up.

by San Marcos Landlord on Nov 5, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn this is a good thread

This blog has devolved into UT like, uncerebral blabber

by soulSD on Nov 6, 2009 12:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Overvaluing current OL and LB and undervaluing safety

I think AJ is guilty of reading UT fluff pieces about pro bowl level talent on the OL and LB. Cooper is decent but not anywhere near pro bowl or an intimidating physical force. Phillips doesn’t do much without Merriman taking doubleteams and Merriman is still at 70% at best. Dielman has sucked balls this year and is at best inconsistent, McNeil is not a pro bowler. Clary is below average. Chargers problems begin on the lines.

I don’t know how AJ can look around the league and not recognize that great defenses all have an eraser in the back: Ed Reed, Polamulu, Dawkins, Sharper, Bob Saunders. He blew it not drafting both Miami safeties Kenny Phillips and Brandon Merriweather and instead went with Weddle who tackles surely but not much else like covering TEs that are five or more inches taller than him (cue up Dante Rosario, Tony Schleffler, or any TE in the league against the Chargers). He’s not physically intimidating nor a great cover guy nor a ballhawk. If AJ didn’t like Donnie Edwards for making plays 5 yards past the line of scrimmage, how can you like Weddle making tackles 15- 25 yards past the line of scrimmage? A nickel corner is what he’s suited for not exactly worth 2 2s, 2 3s, a 4th and 5th.

At least Al Davis isn't running my team's drafts.

by bringbackbuddytrees on Nov 6, 2009 5:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I like Weddle, but in the back of my mind I always thought it was hard to justify him being worth a 2nd, two 3rds, and a 5th. I mean, geez, that’s a lot. Especially when you consider that AJ stocks the team almost exclusively through the draft. I know hindsight is 20/20, but they sure could’ve used some of those picks to build depth.

I think Weddle is a solid player, but I miss having a safety like Rodney Harrison that really struck fear in opposing WR/TEs. Hopefully Ellison will develop some coverage skills and be that guy because no WR/TEs are afraid of being hit by Weddle…

by garrett1230 on Nov 6, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Weddle is solid, but way overated

He’s not even the best in our division. AJ should use the draft to build his O & D lines, because these guys don’t demand as much money as Quarterbacks, receivers, linebackers and such . He should use the big bucks on the needed and proven free agents

by RTChargerfan on Nov 7, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Strike Fear
no WR/TEs are afraid of being hit by Weddle…

Kevin Boss might be one.

by SJO on Nov 9, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s assuming he remembers being hit.

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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 9, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs


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