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Bolts & Dolts: Kansas City Chiefs at San Diego Chargers

As the Dolphins game proved earlier this season, any time the Chargers defense can start getting turnovers the game becomes very easy for San Diego.  The offense typically turns those turnovers into seven points, and the fear of doing it again plays right into Ron Rivera's hands.

True, the first matchup against the Chiefs was a more dominating one for the Chargers.  At least in this game the Chiefs offense showed some spirit (in the form of Jamaal Charles and Chris Chambers).  What's different in this victory against other recent ones is that instead of a full team effort of greatness, the Chargers really won on the back of some big individual performances.  That should make this week's Bolts & Dolts a little more interesting.

Star-divide

Bolts


Offense

Philip Rivers - 21/28, 317 yds, 2 TD.  This six game winstreak for the Chargers has had a few games mixed in where Philip didn't have to win the game himself, and it's allowed him to be smarter and more efficient.  Because of that, his QB rating for the season has been getting better each week.  After yesterday's game, he has the 5th best QB rating in the NFL.  Just below Peyton Manning and just above Tom Brady

Antonio Gates - 7 catches, 118 yds, 2 TD.  Remember a few weeks ago when Antonio was dropping big passes and everyone was talking about how he needed to work on his hands?  His 7 catches, including a one-handed one for the first TD of the game, came off of 7 throws his way.  An absolutely perfect, dominant game by Antonio Gates.  (Random Sidenote: I was thinking this week.  Antonio Gates was a Center at Kent State and everyone makes it seem like he was crazy for pursuing football instead of basketball.  He's 6'4"!  He's shorter than Michael Jordon (6'6") and significantly short than LeBron James.  With his height, he'd have to become a shooting guard or somehow figure out how to become Charles Barkley.  Football was the right move then and it is certainly the right move now for any short basketball player.)

Malcom Floyd - 3 catches, 85 yds.  These numbers would be even better if he had not dropped that easy pass at around the Chiefs 10, and also if he had landed in the end zone instead of on the one yard line.  Vincent Jackson was blanketed all game, and Floyd stepped up to become "the man" on third downs and down the field.

Offensive Line.  Zero sacks allowed and it wasn't even close.  That's the way to win football games.  The running game wasn't as good as it was against Denver, but it was good enough to pick up key first downs.  Also, Jacob Hester didn't help matters by falling forward every time he got the ball.

 

Defense

Brandon Siler - 9 tackles, 1 tackle for loss, 1 fumble recovery.  It's funny how many moving parts this defense has.  If the opposing offense is one that loves to throw the ball (like the Broncos), Kevin Burnett and Paul Oliver will see a ton of time.  If it's one that prefers to run the ball (like the Raiders), Brandon Siler and Kevin Ellison will get more time.  Those are just two examples of switches in starters/personnel that happen based on the team the Chargers are going up against.  I like that.

Anyways, Siler is proving himself to be a beast against the run (as expected) and good enough in coverage to be on the field in non-goal line situations.  This game, in which the Chiefs were trying to ride Jamaal Charles to victory, showed that Siler is probably the best ILB on the team at blowing up a run play.

Quentin Jammer - 5 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 interception, 1 forced fumble.  I'm glad to see the hit he took in the Broncos game hasn't slowed Jammer down.  He played his typical good coverage, got the interception when it was there for the taking and forced a fumble with his exceptional tackling.  While there may be better coverage CBs around the league, I doubt there is another CB as complete as Quentin.

Paul Oliver/Larry English - 7 tackles, 1 forced fumble, 2 fumble recoveries, 1 defensive TD.  I said it earlier this year, when I began to worry about English's lack of production.  Teams that have good seasons and are strong in the playoffs are ones that get contributions from their role players.  Oliver and English are good players, but at the moment they're playing only according to their specific roles.  Oliver filled in for the injured Eric Weddle without much drop-off (that's a huge compliment) and English was pestering Matt Cassel all game, before and after he beat him to the fumbled snap.

 

Special Teams

Nate Kaeding - 2/2 FGs (longest: 55 yds), 5/5 XPs.  Simply put, the best FG kicker in the NFL when you're within 50 yards of the goal post.  Not resting on his laurels, Kaeding has definitely improved this season at kickoffs and long FGs.

 

Dolts

 

Offense

Jacob Hester - 3 carries, 3 rush yds, 1 catch, 3 rec yds.  Everybody who was complaining about Darren Sproles getting all of the fourth quarter carries, listen up.  Those carries should've been Jacob Hester's.  Is he the starting FB?  Not really.  Is he the best Special Teams player on the team?  Nope, 2nd or 3rd best.  Mike Tolbert couldn't have taken every carry, because that would be risking injury to a player just as important as LT or Rivers.  His 4 carries for 19 yards was fine.  It was Hester, and his 1 YPC, that forced Norv Turner to try running the ball with Darren Sproles instead.

You could argue that, heading into a potential blowout, Michael Bennett should've been active for this role.  You're probably right, but I imagine the coaching staff had some faith in Hester getting it done since he did it last week.

Also, I should note that Hester was almost a Special Teams Bolt this week, as he usually is.

Darren Sproles - 9 carries, 17 rush yds, 5 catches, 66 rec yds.  This is a Dolt for his return bobbling/fumbling again.  In B&D, players get rewarded for improving and fixing their flaws.  This is a flaw that is not getting any better.  If anything, it's getting worse.  Also, the Chargers need to give up running Sproles.  It's no use.  Pretend he's Terrell Fletcher, use him only on 3rd downs and only as a blocker/receiver.  9 carries for 17 yards is ridiculous, when you think of the type of runner he is.

 

Defense

There are no defensive Dolts this week.

 

Almost Bolts

Mike Tolbert - I know eventually I'm going to have to start expecting it, but every time Tolbert catches a few balls for some yards and runs the ball better than anyone else on the team I'm surprised.  What a tremendous player, and an incredible find for AJ Smith.

LaDainian Tomlinson - This is not for stats.  This isn't for the fumble, the two touchdowns or the 3 YPC.  This is because LT is looking better than he did earlier in the season, and is taking what the defense gives him.  This is the "smart runner" that I talked about earlier this season.  LT running smart, plus plenty of rest (only 14 touches!) should equal a more successful playoff experience for him.

Time of Possession - Usually, when a team struggles to run the ball and wins because of turnovers, they lose the time of possession battle.  The Chargers won the TOP battle by more than 10 minutes!  This offense is capable of doing whatever they want right now.  Need a big play?  There it is.  Need a long drive to rest the defense?  Sure thing.

James Holt - Welcome to the league, kid.

Shaun Phillips - That guy sure knows how to fill up a stat-sheet.  He's been really good against the run.  Unfortunately, you can see the dip in his pass-rush whenever Shawne Merriman is out of the game.

 

Almost Dolts

Vincent Jackson - I don't think it took this long for teams to gameplan for stopping VJ, but apparently somebody somewhere came up with one that works.  He's been held without a TD for 3 straight games, and hasn't been over 100 receiving yards for 4 straight games.  In yesterday's game there was at least one jump ball he lost that he probably would've gotten earlier this season.  He has to figure out what the defense is doing and adjust.

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Quentin Jammer

Did NOT have that forced fumble. Steven Gregory had the forced fumble. I’m still trying to figure out why every is giving Jammer credit. WATCH THE HIGHLIGHTS!

When lightning strikes, horses run.

by Flow on Nov 30, 2009 5:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You're Wrong

I just watched the highlights again (they’re on the homepage). It was kindof a tag-team effort. Jammer went for the strip and Gregory hit Charles from behind. The ball was just starting to come out because of Jammer’s strip when Gregory hit him and the ball went flying. Since Jammer got the ball moving first, he gets the credit.

Also, that’s what the box score says.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 6:12 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Uhm... NO

Go watch the highlights on NFL.com. The ones that are simply titled “Chargers 43, Chiefs 14.” It shows an up front angle, and Gregory CLEARLY knocks it out himself, Jammer jumps on him late.

The people who update the box score, they just assume.

When lightning strikes, horses run.

by Flow on Nov 30, 2009 6:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

1. That’s the same video that we have on the homepage here.

2. You’re still wrong. You’re just watching Gregory. You have to watch the video over and over again so that you can see all parts. Go to 2:07 of the video and you’ll clearly see the ball is out of Charles’ hands before Gregory hits him.

You could argue that Charles would’ve been able to get his hands back on the ball if he wasn’t hit behind by Gregory, but you cannot argue that Gregory was the first to knock the ball loose.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 6:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you say.

I just feel that Gregory deserves the credit. After his hit, that is when the ball comes out. I’m not gonna blow this thing out of proportion, but what if he feels he deserves the credit too?

When lightning strikes, horses run.

by Flow on Nov 30, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Use the reply button.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Tolbert the future?

Could Tolbert be our back of the future? Kind of an MJD style back?

I have really come full circle on Tolbert from wondering why he was even on the team at the start of the year. I know he is getting most of his yards in garbage time, but yards are yards, and its not like Sproles is tearing it up in garbage time. Does Tolbert have the speed to be a “feature” back? I like his north/south attitude and his ability to hit holes.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 30, 2009 6:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not sure.

Not too many people find a use for full backs these days. Tolbert has done great the past couple weeks, but hasn’t had a shot to prove himself that much this season. It would be unique to be the first team to go back to using FB’s just as much as HB’s though.

When lightning strikes, horses run.

by Flow on Nov 30, 2009 6:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Leron McClain

Does a nice job as the FB/HB in Baltimore. It would be really nice if Tolbert could fill this role for us as well.

I have a LT doll... yeah I'm a little embarassed.

by catch22b on Nov 30, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not really used that way this year

They mainly use Rice and McGahee as HBs. Last year Rice was still a rookie and McGahee got hurt so they used him in that role. Basically, Tolbert’s role on the Chargers already is like McClain’s. Starting FB, sometimes HB for pounding the defense.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think he has the speed to do it. Also, every RB has a move or a juke to go along with the north/south thing.

I think the team likes him in the role he’s in.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 6:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering that too

At least in short yardage situations, he seems to have some skill as a power runner. As you say, it’s hard to tell from garbage time, but he has looked better than either Hester or Sproles, especially between the tackles. He also is the only back that seems to consistently break tackles anymore.

My favorite play yesterday was when Tolbert curled up into a ball and sort of rolled himself at the Chiefs, at least one of whom jumped out of his way.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 30, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we need a halfback too...

… but I really like the way our offensive skill positions work together. You’ve got the P.R. Machine or his capable sidekick Volektric Billy, 2 NBA players, 0-2 NBA benchwarmers, and 1-3 of the following:
An RB who’s already earned his HOF but isn’t done yet
Li’l Tankie
A blocking TE who can catch and who can line up at FB
A fullback who can run
A fullback who can catch
A blocking TE who can catch
A C who can line up at TE when the starting center returns

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 30, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Isn't he a little big to be catching footballs"

The wifey’s comment when Manumaleuna caught that pass yesterday.

I almost didn’t hear her because I was laughing so hard at how badly Endberg slaughtered his name.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 30, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I enjoyed the commentary on that run where they “credited” the defender with making a smart play by getting out of Tolbert’s way.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

anybody else notice how Vincent Jackson rarely attacks a ball thrown his way? instead, he waits for the ball to get to his body or his hands in the basket position; that is fine when he is wide open but he too often allows a (smaller) defender to make a play on the ball, as we saw a few times yesterday. flowers played a nice game but there is no way he should have been in position to make a couple of those plays on the ball yesterday. this is nit-picky but it’s something that has always stood out to me, especially when juxtaposed with gates’ box-out style. i bet gates destroys jackson during pickup basketball games.

by Rocket Surgery on Nov 30, 2009 6:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think “going to get the ball” is the difference between his first half and the start of the second half of the season. I don’t think anyone was better at coming back for the ball than VJ in the early part of the year.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 6:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no, he’s fantastic at coming back for the ball, and you have to be with rivers as your qb because of how often he underthrows, both by design and not. vj gets there with his legs, but not enough with his hands and arms and body, particularly when a defender is near, which nullifies the advantage of his freakish build. i thinks it’s one of those next level, finer-points that separate the great ones or maybe it’s a mind-set or attitude. he is a tremendous player but he has always frustrated me with his passivity on some of those types of plays which at times have resulted in picks that should have been knocked down at least. anyway…

not trying to be the turd in the punchbowl after a blowout…does anyone have an explanation for why the greatest touchdown machine in history is still too often standing on the sidelines sadly reduced to a jv scrub doing the “pick me coach!” routine?

by Rocket Surgery on Nov 30, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Because 4th quarter goal line situations, when your team is already up by more than 3 touchdowns, are not the time for an injury prone old man to be on the field.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I have noticed that as well

It was a problem for VJ early in his career, and making strong plays for the ball in the air is really what helped him turn the corner. I remember some sort of switch got flipped about 3 years ago and VJ went from being a developing player to a legit #1 receiver almost over night.

Hopefully it’s due to the bolts being up big and him not being as focused or agressive as he should. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 30, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that switch was Chris Chambers.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point

His numbers have been down since Chambers left. I’ve taken it as Rivers just spread the ball around more (Floyd, Naanee and Tolbert’s numbers are all up), but it’s something to think about.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He was out

during the week with sore ribs. I would bet the game plan had him mainly as a decoy; and he certainly sucked all the coverage out of the middle. Gates was making catches with nobody else even in the camera view; you would have thought the Chiefs might have noticed him after the first few times.

VJ’s numbers are always going to be bigger in close games than blowouts, why risk deep shots and injury when you are up by so much?

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 30, 2009 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

^This^

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Chambers was a known commodity

DC’s knew that they had to game plan for him as he had a rep in the league. Guys like Floyd & Naanee are just making that impression – Floyd to a somewhat lesser extent due to his previous performances. I think that a lot of teams have rolled more coverage/pressure on to VJ & he hasn’t really figured out just how to defeat all of the added attention. Once the other guys start to make opponents pay for that mindset, he’ll be more of a target for PR again. Gates went a long way toward opening things up for the rest of the receiving corps going forward with his stellar play yesterday.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Nov 30, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not like the offense has been struggling…

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really think it’s more about Rivers not having to force the ball to Jackson since he now has other receivers on the field that can get open and catch the ball which are both things Chambers failed to do this year.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s big.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Dec 3, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been touting Tolbert all along

Thanks for just now jumping on board. Tolbert is a FB, but one with very quick feet & good hands. His blocking is steadily improving, as opposed to Hester’s.

Norv wants a FB in his scheme. You’d be seeing a LOT more of the run if the OL was winning more battles there. And it is getting better nearly every week. Tolbert should be in every time we need a FB in the formation unless we’re doing something with Manu. If I never see Hester line up at FB again it will be too soon. He’s a tailback.

Another almost Bolt should be Dombrowski. Filled in well for Clary yesterday.

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Nov 30, 2009 6:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I believe Hester was in on at least one of LT’s touchdown runs.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 6:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he gets lucky like that occasionally

:-)

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Nov 30, 2009 7:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Not sure what the Tolbert-haters have been saying. For his size, he’s quick and agile, can catch a pass and get some YAC. What he’s lacked is confidence. But since he’s become a ST beast, and seems to enjoy it, he’s stepped it up on offense as well.

by Andy (allfield) on Nov 30, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there were really any Tolbet-haters

Just people that didn’t see how having both him and Hester on the roster made sense. With Chambers gone (and the Chargers now only carrying 5 WRs instead of 6), it makes a little more sense.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

There aren’t any Tolbert-haters. Some of us just questioned carrying two fullbacks on a pass-first team.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I used to be one of them. Now I’m on board.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 30, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Same. I wanted to axe Tolbert for Gartrell. Boy, was I wrong.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 30, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Injuries suck big time.

Weddle and Burnett (concussion) will miss next week and possibly more, and Merriman probably should sit and rest the foot next week as well.

Plus we still have the Titans game ahead of us. So much for being healthy down the stretch.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 9:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Burnett got a concussion?

Link?

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Nov 30, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From the UT today.

Despite Injuries, Defense Thrives

This, despite the fact that Weddle evidently sprained his MCL in the second quarter, Merriman left after a quarter with the tendinitis in his foot too painful to continue and Burnett suffered a concussion at the start of the third quarter.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Nov 30, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot to include that. I meant to. Burnett just can’t stay healthy.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can anyone on our team?

Stupid crappy training staff.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our team is healthy, relatively speaking. It seems that everyone but the Broncos have pretty significant injuries.

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by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Burnett is fine he will practice wednesday and play

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I kindof wish he wouldn’t. We don’t need him and repeat concussions seem to be going around.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think that's weird?

When a quarterback gets a concussion, everyone gets all worried and Warner and Roethlisberger don’t play despite passing all the tests, yet when a linebacker gets a concussion it’s “shake it off and play next week”, despite the fact that he plays a position that takes a hell of a lot more hits.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He shouldn’t if he has a concussion.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Source?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Turner said it today I believe.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Norv

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you can hang a concussion on the training staff.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It was the knock on him when he was with the Cowboys.

Hurts. Yargh.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I remember the guys at BTB saying that he was a good player who Wade didn’t/couldn’t trust to stay on the field.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You'd think we're way overpaying the football injuries gods.

So maybe we’ll get some payback come post-season.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because that is likely

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish this rational made sense

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like how the playoff picture is currently shaping up.

It seems likely that the Bengals are going to fall to the 4th seed, with the Chargers fighting the Patriots for the #2 spot. We’re going to have to finish better than the Pats to get it, because they hold the tiebreaker due to better record against common opponents. Given our schedule and their schedule, it doesn’t seem likely that’s going to happen.

So that would put us at #3, with the Pats at #2 and the Colts at #1. That means we’d have a tough wild card match-up against the Steelers, Ravens, Broncos, or (god forbid) the Titans, followed by a lovely trip to snowy Foxborough if we advance. We may never get the chance to ruin the Colts’ season.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 9:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Now let me hear a positive spin

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Positive spin?

We’ll have to keep playing hard, so we won’t be resting on our laurels and get rusty like the Colts often do. We’re playing really well on offense, and the Pats’ defense isn’t exactly dominating. We’re due for a win in the post-season over the Patriots, and the Brady-Belichick duo are overdue for a home playoff loss (it’s never happened).

Get past that tough Wild Card game, pull off the upset against the Pats, and we either get to go back home or travel to Indianapolis where it’ll be the Colts shaking in their boots, and not us.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If they lose tonight we are one game ahead of them

Unfortunately they really dont’ have a tough opponent the rest of the season after that, except maybe @Texans for the final game of the season who will be playing spoiler at that point

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, though I think the Pats win tonight.

What we really need is for us to beat the Titans, and the Patriots to lose to the Dolphins, which would even up the common opponent tiebreaker. But given how the teams involved are playing, that doesn’t seem likely.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who have the Pats beaten that we lost to?

We both lost to Denver once but we beat Denver once. They beat the Ravens and we lost to them.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Our common opponents this year are the Dolphins, Broncos, Titans, and Ravens.

The Chargers are 2-2 in those games, beating the Broncos and Dolphins and losing to the Broncos and Ravens.

The Patriots are 3-1 in those games, beating the Titans, Ravens, and Dolphins, and losing to the Broncos.

We have the Titans left, and they have the Dolphins left. If we both win, we’ll have a 3-2 record vs. common opponents, and they’ll be 4-1. We need to win, and the Pats need to lose.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but that doesn't matter if they lose tonight and we win out

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely right.

But with the three game stretch we have coming up it’s tough to see us winning out.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's what you said about the giants iggles and donkies

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right.

I’m just saying we shouldn’t count on it.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Only if you don't believe in our Chargers to win an extra playoff game

:-O

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he believes we can win the extra playoff game

Traveling to colder climates doesn’t normally suit this team well.

by Dude52089 on Nov 30, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see any reason why this team wouldn't do well in cold climates

Or at least any reason why this team would fair any worse than the Patriots or Bengals would in cold climates.

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by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we have lots of injury concerns

and past issues with star players being injured in the playoffs

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Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't our star players get hurt a couple years ago

In a home game against Tennessee. I’m not following.

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by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Just don’t know why you’d want to play more games than needed.

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because they might be needed.

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by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My issue is less cold climates

and more, Brady and co are a very dangerous opponent, especially in the post-season. I’d like every advantage should we have to face them.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that a team that has struggled with injuries the way the Chargers have will benefit from a bye week.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm also not sure that the dolphins won't give them a game

I know they didn’t play well this past week but it still is a divisional game and for some reason the dolphins seem to have new englands number.

by Dude52089 on Nov 30, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's true.

The Dolphins are at home, and are a gritty team that hangs tough. If they get Ricky Williams going anything can happen. But the Pats are playing really well. I’d give the Dolphins a 30-40% chance of pulling it off.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All we can do is cheer for our team

Things will fall in place hopefully we are the 2 seed, the colts basically need 1 more win to be a lock on the 1 or 2 seed.

by Dude52089 on Nov 30, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

YEA

The fish always play the Pats tuff. Hopefully the Saints come out firing tonight, that #2 seed would be real nice.

ps I thought the tie breaker before common record was divisional then conference record?

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DETERMINING HOME-FIELD PRIORITY

   1. To determine home-field priority among division titlists, apply Wild-Card tie breakers.
   2. To determine home-field priority for Wild-Card qualifiers, apply division tie breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild-Card tie breakers (if teams are from different divisions).
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

   1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
   2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs

   1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
   2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
   3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
   4. Strength of victory.
   5. Strength of schedule.
   6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
   7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
   8. Best net points in conference games.
   9. Best net points in all games.
  10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  11. Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

   1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
   2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
   3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
   4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
   5. Strength of victory.
   6. Strength of schedule.
   7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
   8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
   9. Best net points in conference games.
  10. Best net points in all games.
  11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
  12. Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

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by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Which is why I'm making a big deal about common opponents

because our tie-breakers with the Pats doesn’t seem likely to go past that.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are we that likely to finished tied in Conference record?

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by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We currently are.

Or if, say, we lose to the Titans and they lose to the Dolphins or the Texans.

But yeah, it’s not terribly likely to go past that.

"I aim to misbehave." - Mal Reynolds

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 30, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

Both teams have a road game against a winning NFC team, a home game against a losing NFC team, and a 2-0 NFC record. It’s certainly not a given, but if both teams ended up 9-3 or 8-4 against AFC opponents with the same overall record it wouldn’t be surprising at all.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 30, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me...

… that the BB-era Pats are much more susceptible to the trap game than are the Chargers, particularly late in the year. NE owns their division already. I’d probably pick the Pats to go 4-2 starting tonight.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 30, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheer for Drew tonight!

"Live to love and love to live"!

by Desyrel on Nov 30, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Phillips

thought he deserved a Bolt, seemed like he was everywhere.

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)

by cameronm on Nov 30, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

video of chargers pregame tribute

would someone please post any video of the pregame tribute to the chargers top 50. This event means so much to me especially being a fan of the fouts/coryell era. I’ve searched around for something but cant find it anywhere. Please help!!

by sheridcch on Nov 30, 2009 10:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it exists for mass consumption

I don’t think it was televised. The team is probably the only one that has access to it since it is in charge of running the jumbotron at
Qualcomm.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

honerary bolt

should go to Jon Runyan, i know he didnt play, but i saw him on the sideline teaching Dombrowski and the other players technique.
His veteran leadership is already paying off.

And dombrowski should get a bolt he played great imo,
as did shaun phillips.

oh and a honerary bolt to Dave Binn for playing his 250th game.

Nice to meet you! I mean, you kindov suck but my dad says you might be good some day. (Stan Marsh talking to Jay Cutler on South Park)

by cameronm on Nov 30, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't help but notice

That LT got many of his nice gains running to the right. Nice job by Vazquez and Dombo.

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by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The offensive line got a bolt. They all played very good. I missed the Runyan thing, but that’s cool.

Binn gets a lifetime Bolt.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Added Dolts...

Well, I think the Chargers front office should be dolts this week for not using Chambers productively! The man can still make big plays and help any receiving core in the second half of the season…THE MAN HAS HANDS!!!!!!!!!!

by Blueblood27 on Nov 30, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

Chambers played like absolute crap this year. It wasn’t Turner’s or Smith’s fault that Chambers couldn’t hold onto the damn ball when it hit him in the hands or that he regularly failed to get open.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yup

He was garbage with the Chargers. The worst WR in the league not named Heyward-Bey. Obviously the Chiefs’ offense fits him better and he’s playing with more motivation.

It was the right move.

Bolt – Blueblood27. That’s your birthday present.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why should he explain his rationale for using the best statistics available?

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Thrown to" isnt a stat

a QB throws a ball way over a guys head to avoid a sack, that counts as a “thrown to”
hahaha
if you want to subscribe to that garbage stat be my guest

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a straw man argument

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be a deversion

I was simply pointing out the “thrown to” stat is about as useful as used toilet paper

If someone asked me why Chambers dropped a couple balls this year. Id reply “he didnt have enough thrown his way”. I liken him to a starting pitcher not a reliever. And based on his previous play and subsequent play after his release, that makes sense to me.

I should mention I do agree with his release, though I still think the guy is a premier receiver

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That argument doesn't make a lot of sense

Why would you want to throw at someone a lot who will drop a good percentage when you could be throwing to a guy (or guys) who will catch a higher percentage?

There is no way that someone with that skill set is a premier receiver. Chambers has really never been a premier receiver so there is no reason to think that he “still” is one now.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Im not arguing I think he should have been cut; I thought I said that. I said he needed more balls thrown his way to get in a rythum, KC has provided him that.
I for one wish him good luck, but I remember when our receiving core was trash though

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No

KC has not provided that. KC has provided him with a different type of offense that does not put him in situations where he has to use skills he doesn’t have, like catching the ball in traffic. His catch percentage is simply higher in KC because of this. In San Diego, if they threw it to him 6 times he would catch 1 or 2. In KC, he catches 4 or 5. There is no increase in targets there, except maybe a little against the Chargers. You are making stuff up to prove your argument, and I don’t think it’s the best choice to help your case.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Again Im not Arguing

You seem to be arguing with yourself. I didnt even mention his catch percentage. I simply said I thought he was playing better because he was getting more chances. Thats just my opinion, if you dont agree ok.

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your opinion is based on an incorrect assumption

That is my point.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your opinion is in direct contradiction to the facts.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A ball that’s thrown away can and often is recorded as thrown away. Also, unless you think an absurdly high number of targets that should have been recorded as throw aways are being attributed to one receiver and not another it’s perfectly reasonable to compare the two.

Also, Chris Chambers in particular dropped a ton of passes that hit him in the hands.

if you want to subscribe to that garbage stat be my guest

Feel free to take this act somewhere else. I understand there’s a comments section on SignOnSanDiego.com.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didnt know there was a throw away stat

maybe you could provide evidence of this

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Go through the play by play stats. Not every incomplete pass is recorded as targeting a receiver.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When you are in the pocket

You have to target a receiver. Thats a rule last time I checked

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

But Rivers isnt one to travel outside the tackle box much. So when he “throws the ball away” generally he’s actually launching it over someones head or at their feet.

So the “throw to stat” doesnt hold much water if you ask me

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thankfully nobody is asking you.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

RISE ABOVE

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You first

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by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

already their

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

last word

Yeah you have risen above, because of all that hot air.

by Blueblood27 on Dec 1, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hey hey hey

That joke is copyrighted

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes it takes a change of scenery or a perceived sleight (aka getting cut) to motivate a guy…he probably would not have produced in San Diego the way he is producing in KC right now.

by Orz on Nov 30, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it can be hand-waved as a motivation thing

The Chiefs run more slant routes, crossing routes and bubble screens. In these situations Chambers seems to be able to catch the ball in space as he beats zone coverages. With the Chargers its more about beating your man one-on-one. Norv calls plays that have route combinations that are designed to force double coverage on some guys and single on others. The ones in singles are the ones that will end up being PR’s targets. Chambers couldn’t handle those one-on-one matchups.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

great analysis, don’t disagree with ya…

can’t it be both?

>.>
<.<

by Orz on Nov 30, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes it can

My title should have been:

I don’t think it can be hand-waved as a only motivation thing

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or it if I wanted to copy and paste to use normal grammar:

I don’t think it can be hand-waved as only a motivation thing

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea well

if he covered kicks and punts I’d have to agree

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...

the front office for letting him go, and NORV for not using him productively…

by Blueblood27 on Nov 30, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You can blame Norv if you want

But, using Chambers productively meant running an offense like the Chiefs and less like the Chargers. I, personally, don’t think it’s realistic to change an offense that has been run well for almost 2 decades just because one of your aging WRs has declining skills. It was better for Norv to keep running what he has always run and play guys that could execute it properly.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Cutting Chambers

Was about STs not the offense or off the field garbage. When we lost 3/5 top STs guys someone had to go that dressed on game days. So we could dress a STs player.
TRANSLATION
Backups play STs, its really that simple

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was partially about the offense. Chambers was taking playing time away from significantly better players.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was about both. You don’t cut a productive #2 WR for a special teams player that contributes nowhere else. The team needed room and Chambers was no longer fitting in/productive.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 30, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We cut our #3

If I remember correctly Floyd surpassed Chambers on the depth chart, but even if they were 2a and 2b. YOU absolutely do cut a backup if he’s not cheap and or young and doesnt play STs. Thats pretty basic knowledge as far as Im concerned.

This is what I remember. Applewhite, Tucker, Dobbins, Burnett out. That crippled our kick coverage, we NEEDED a body to cover kicks, if he play LB that would be ideal.

And that roster spot had to come from the active list.

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was within the span of a week

The moves were not isolated incidents.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was kind of referring to his demotion and eventual release as one thing. I don’t think he was demoted from #2 WR because he couldn’t play ST.

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by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Im saying he was cut because we needed someone to play STs, and at the time we were paper thin at LB

by AirNorval on Nov 30, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And he needed to play ST

because he was no longer the #2 WR.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

So does anyone know what the heck it is about Chamber’s build and pads in his KC uniform that looks so weird to me? He seems really top heavy or something. No other WRs look like that…

by Orz on Nov 30, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He wears different pads

His pad size always made me confuse him for Gates even though they are like 6 inches different in height (that, and their numbers look similar when in motion).

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by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

its the number 11

its very slimming… vertical lines and whatnot

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 30, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he looks taller too

isnt gates like 6 inches yaller? yet in the pic they are close to the same height. maybe he is wearing mud cleats

by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Dec 1, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you sound like a chief fan bro

just sayin

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For the rest of the year I'm a Chiefs fan.

I’ll go back to hating them in January, but we’re guaranteed to finish ahead of them and don’t play them again, and they have Denver in 40% of their remaining games, so go Chiefs, go!

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 30, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Cassel + Chris Chambers = <3

Chammmberrrssss FTW!!!11111

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 30, 2009 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Jamal Charles FTW!!!!

Run over them Broncs.

And don’t fumble.

And Mr. Haley. Please let him return kicks again. Pretty please.

And can somebody find them a competent compliment back to pair with JC for the rest of the year?

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 30, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell, give them Sproles.

We’ll take a 3rd rounder and Studebaker.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 30, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why the hell would we want Studebaker?

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 30, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Dec 1, 2009 2:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For the inside scoop on a cool new convertible?

If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!

Robert Hunter

by Buck Melanoma on Dec 1, 2009 5:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because at the time I posted that we were thin at linebacker

Marques Harris serves to remedy that situation. Carry on.

"Wipe that golden tear from your mother dear, and raise what's left of the flag for me."-- Flogging Molly, "What's Left Of The Flag"

Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...

by StrangeBroP25 on Dec 1, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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