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State of the AFC West Week 8

Good afternoon BFTBers, it's your old pal 'tec. We have 3 of the 4 AFC West teams in action during week 8, including the one inter-division game between the Raiders and our Chargers. The Chiefs had their bye this week, and the Broncos traveled to the east coast to take on Joe Flacco and the Ravens. Of course, we beat the Raiders 24-16, the Chiefs managed not to lose during their bye, and the Broncos are undefeated no more as the Ravens solved the Broncos enigma with a 30-7 beat-down. Let's take a look at the current standings.


AFC West Standings

W L T PF PA
Denver 6 1 0 140 96
San Diego 4 3 0 185 159
Oakland 2 6 0 78 201
Kansas City 1 6 0 105 181

(updated 11.3.2009 at 1:44 AM PST)



The Chargers are now 2 games back of the Broncos with 9 game to go. As we know, the remaining schedules for both teams favors the Chargers in terms of difficulty. The Chargers are 3-1 in division games (the one loss vs. Broncos) with 2 division games left (vs. Chiefs and @ Broncos). We travel to New York this week to face the Giants. The Broncos are 2-0 in division games with 4 left (vs. Chargers, @ Chiefs, vs. Chiefs, vs. Oakland). The Broncos stay at home to face the Steelers.

Read the rest after the hop!

Star-divide

 

Kansas City Chiefs: The Chiefs spent the week on their bye after a beat-down by the hands of the Bolts. Of course, it was a pretty eventful week after all thanks to Larry Johnsongate. This has to be a huge distraction for a team that has already had a tough year. The good thing is that there is nowhere to go but up and perhaps suspending Johnson might bring him to his senses and allow the team to come together. (I doubt it). He will be suspended one week. In former Chargers news, it appears that WR Chris Chambers, cut by the Chargers on Monday, was claimed by the Chiefs today. It looks like Chris will play one more game at Qualcomm Stadium this season. The Chiefs travel to face the Jaguars this week. Their next division game is week 10 at the Raiders.


Kansas City Chiefs Injuries

Probable

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Branden Albert ankle 11/02/2009

Questionable

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Jon McGraw undisclosed 11/02/2009
Lance Long concussion 11/02/2009

Doubtful

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Rudy Niswanger knee 11/02/2009

Out (IR / Out / Suspended / Physically unvailable)

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Devard Darling knee 09/01/2009
Jackie Battle shoulder 10/14/2009
Colin Brown undisclosed 09/05/2009


 

 

Oakland Raiders: The Raiders are another terrible team with additional off the field issues, with ESPN's OTL reporting Head Coach Tom Cable's past nefarious exploits with his lady friends. It is up to the emperor of the Raiders Al Davis, whether he stays or goes, but the Raiders say they will be investigating the allegations. We will have to wait and see how much longer Cable lasts and continue the coaching carousel by the bay.  Meanwhile, the actual football team (and I use the term lightly), is taking their bye this week. It is a good time for the team to rest up, as we saw last week they had major injuries, including Robert Gallery who is a big part of their offensive line. WR Chaz Schilens also remains out. It's not like it matters much, since nobody is watching the games; mostly because the poor attendance at the games are creating local blackouts. The Raiders next division game is week 10 vs. the Chiefs. Look at that injury list! Who do they think they are, the Chargers?


Oakland Raiders Injuries

Questionable

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Cornell Green calf 11/02/2009
Tony Stewart chest 11/02/2009
Gerard Warren toe 11/02/2009
Jon Alston shoulder 11/02/2009
Ricky Brown ankle 11/02/2009
Robert Gallery fibula 11/02/2009
Tommy Kelly elbow 11/02/2009
Chris Johnson groin 11/02/2009
Chaz Schilens foot 11/02/2009

Out (IR / Out / Suspended / Physically unvailable)

Player Injury Type Injury Date
John Bowie knee 09/30/2009
Oren O'Neal ankle 10/14/2009


Denver Broncos: After a 6-0 start, the Broncos are undefeated no more after a 30-7 road loss to the Baltimore Ravens. The Broncos will face another tough team this week, a MNF meeting with the Steelers at home. The Ravens seemed to solve the mystery of beating the Broncos, so we should look at this game in preparing for our second match-up with the Broncos. The Broncos special teams continued to struggle, allowing another kick-off for a touchdown, but we already knew that was a weakness. The Ravens were able to pressure Kyle Orton early, and apparently that threw him off of his game, which spread to the rest of the team. The Broncos seemed to be off all day, not executing like they had been in the rest of their games. The Broncos crossed over into Baltimore territory only 3 times all game, and got into the red-zone only once. The Denver defense is good, but not that good, and eventually they are going to get scored on. The key seems to be being able to disrupt the offense which starts with pressuring the QB. Orton isn't going to make many mistakes, but he's not  a world beater either. With the Broncos D giving up 30 points on Sunday, the Colts take over as the best defense in football. The Broncos next division game is week 11 at home vs. the Chargers. The Broncos remain ridiculously healthy.


Denver Broncos Injuries

Questionable

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Renaldo Hill leg 11/03/2009

Out (IR / Out / Suspended / Physically unvailable)

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Nick Greisen knee 08/05/2009
J'Vonne Parker knee 08/08/2009


San Diego Chargers: First of all, apparently LB James Holt has been promoted from the practice squad. Now, you're going to have to find out from someone else who that is, because I have no idea. Maybe that Sliderockmpc guy, he seems to be pretty sharp. Anyhow, we all know that the Chargers front office pulled off yet another team shakeup, releasing Chis Chambers, who has already been picked up within the division by the Chiefs. These shakeups seem to be working, notwithstanding a closer than expected victory over the Raiders. Like Coach Hoke says, there are no good losses and there are no bad wins. Let's focus on our game this weekend in New Jersey. I bet there's probably at least one person that didn't know we were playing in New Jersey on Sunday. Over their three losses in a row, I've seen two big things about the Giants. First, Eli is still being bothered by his foot, in which he has plantar fasciitis. From what I know, this is not an injury that one gets over easily. Padre fans know that Kyle Blanks got it and was forced to sit out the last part of the season. Eli has been more inaccurate than usual because of the injury, which has been compounded by the fact that the Giants have been unable to get a running game going during the losing streak. Second, the Giants running defense has struggled, especially with runners up the middle. I posted a stat earlier in the week, but during the losing streak the Giants have allowed something like 7.6 YPC up the middle. Unfortunately, both of these weaknesses don't exactly translate to the Chargers strengths. We also have struggled this year with running offense and defense. On the bright side, at least I think LT has shown some substantial progress lately, and Shawne and Shaun also seem to be about to step up their game in a serious way. The Chargers next division game is week 10 at the Broncos. Tim Dobbins is going to be out a few weeks, maybe he'll come back the same time as Nick Hardwick. I'm hoping Kevin Burnett is healthy enough to play on Sunday, but I haven't heard anything.


San Diego Chargers Injuries

Questionable

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Tim Dobbins knee 11/02/2009
Nick Hardwick ankle 11/02/2009

Doubtful

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Kevin Burnett ankle 11/02/2009

Out (IR / Out / Suspended / Physically unvailable)

Player Injury Type Injury Date
Ryon Bingham arm 09/05/2009
Jamal Williams triceps 09/19/2009
Antwan Applewhite hamstring 10/20/2009
Brandon Hughes knee 09/02/2009


GO CHARGERS!

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Can they win the division?

Yes.

WIll they?

No.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 3, 2009 4:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 3, 2009 4:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem for the Chargers

is that, as usual, they’ve left themselves very little margin for error.

Assuming they really are getting better (which I’m not sold on), to win the division they can’t afford to lose more than two games the rest of the way, and they HAVE to win the game at Denver.

I really don’t think the Chargers have it in them to go 7-2 to close out the season and win at Denver. I’d like to think they could, but I’m not optimistic.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 3, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

i'd be happy with 6-3 and a wildcard

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

by notorioushbi on Nov 3, 2009 7:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

And even if it was

it’s a recipe for a wild card loss in Heinz Field. Sound like fun?

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 3, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 3, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

give it to him intravenously...stat!!!

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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 3, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

KA reported

that Burnett should play this week.

Hardwick MAY play, but will likely make his return at home against Philly.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 3, 2009 4:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good work

but needs a better greeting…

I was thinking “Bienvenidos from the Blue, amigos…”

Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? ◔ヮ◔
Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play

by Axion on Nov 3, 2009 4:56 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

si,me gusta esa idea...a ti siempre se te ocure buenas ideas...recomendado senor axion

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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 3, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well said

its not hard to think that we could get in possibly wild card the best we finish 10-6 but we gotta play some stellar mistake free football and we gotta win at least once in these next two weeks and the way it looks i like my chances better against the giants than phili

by vasquez_kristopher on Nov 3, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Shouldn't Ryan Harris be on that Denver Broncos injury list?

My understanding is that he’s hurt enough that he won’t play (which would be the first time the Broncos have changed their starting offensive line since 2007).

They are still ridiculously healthy.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 3, 2009 5:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Games to Watch This Week

BAL @ CIN, HOU @ IND, KC @ JAC, MIA @ NE, SD @ NYG, PIT @ DEN

I feel like we have a clear rooting interest in four of those games. It’s in our best interest that Houston, Jacksonville and Miami lose and obviously in that we win. We’re also competing for a playoff spot with Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Denver, but I don’t think it necessarily matters who wins those games.

This comment thread seemed like the best place for this since I was unwilling to post three sentences as a FanPost.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Nov 3, 2009 5:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd say i cheer for BAL and PIT

They both beat us and if by some chance we split with DEN and beat CIN then we can hold the tiebreak over them.

Chargers = Aztecs
We have proof.

by Dude52089 on Nov 3, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

I think all of Chargerdom is in favor of BAL or PIT winning the AFC North instead of Cincy with the thought that we still have chance to get a tiebreaker over the Bengals. However, I’m pretty much done rooting for Baltimore now that they beat Denver and the same goes for PIT after Monday. It’ll give you a headache to try to figure out the most likely optimum scenario featuring all those teams. You’ll probably just end up rooting for something you’ll regret rooting for in 3 weeks. How annoying is that?

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 3, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I worry about what the chargers can control, most of the time, with the last 4 weeks of last year as an exception. I just somehow think that would be our best case scenario since we have control over the games with Denver and Cincinnati while Baltimore and Pittsburgh are games in the past.

Chargers = Aztecs
We have proof.

by Dude52089 on Nov 3, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This made me peek at what Fox and CBS are choosing to broadcast this weekend

In San Diego, it’s MIA @ NE on CBS and AZ @ Chi on Fox. Then, obviously the Chargers in the afternoon slot on CBS.

What I find interesting is that for some reason Southern Nevada and Western North Dakota get HOU @ IND, but everything around them gets MIA @ NE. There are also some random portions of Wyoming and Nebraska that get BAL @ CIN instead of MIA @ NE. Sometimes people make weird choices.

P.S. Aren’t we also competing with Houston for a playoff spot?

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 3, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He also posted Houston
It’s in our best interest that Houston, Jacksonville and Miami lose and obviously in that we win.

Chargers = Aztecs
We have proof.

by Dude52089 on Nov 3, 2009 5:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also interesting

The Chargers are involved in 1 of only 2 games between AFC and NFC teams (TN @ SF is the other — Battle of Formerly Benched 1st Round QBs).

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 3, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: James Holt

Sorry, couldn’ t resist the challenge to find out some more. Holt is 6’ 3", his college weight was 226 lbs. In his senior season as a OLB from Kansas, he posted 108 tackles (58 solo), with 10 sacks. He had some pretty good numbers against good teams like Texas and Oklahoma, and tore Minnesota apart in the Insight Bowl with 8 tackles and 3 sacks.
According to Scouts, Inc. on ESPN, he carried a free-agent signing grade (i.e. not worth a draft pick). The Chargers signed him as an UFA after the draft, relased him in the final cuts, then signed him to the practice squad.
As critical as I have been of A.J. Smith, he does have a good history of pulling diamonds from the rough.

BTW, good job with the post. Rec’d

"As a confirmed melancholic, I can testify that the best and maybe only antidote for melancholia is *action*. However, like most melancholics, I suffer also from sloth." - Edward Abbey.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Nov 3, 2009 5:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice sig

Ol’ Ed Abbey was definitely quotable

"Get on board early," Black said, alluding to, what he feels, is a crop of up-and-coming players.

"I would tell those fans that we're going to play good baseball. We're going to play hard. We're going to have exciting young players..." -Bud Black

by The Kipper on Nov 3, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Holt is 6'3

He measured 6’1 7/8 at the combine and the Chargers website lists him as 6’2.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 4, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN stats are a fraud

Looking up his college stats, they had him at 6’ 3". If he plays well, I could care less.

"As a confirmed melancholic, I can testify that the best and maybe only antidote for melancholia is *action*. However, like most melancholics, I suffer also from sloth." - Edward Abbey.

by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Nov 4, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not necessarily ESPN (that 6'1 7/8 came from ESPN draft reports which are updated with combine data)

It’s that the colleges don’t report the heights and weights accurately (of course, neither do the pro teams).

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 4, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

great post mi primo...but I think we are going to pull off a miracle comeback and win the whole shabang!!

HUSTLE MADE ENT. NEW TRACK...CHECK FOR IT...NOTHING BUT THAT KILLA CALI FIRE FO SHO!!! http://www.myspace.com/jayoh1ne

by Gorditoe1 on Nov 3, 2009 10:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There is still hope for the division in my opinion

Chargers schedule: Broncos schedule:

@Giants W Steelers L
Eagles L @Redskins W
@Broncos W Chargers L
Chiefs W Giants L
@Browns W @Chiefs W
@Cowboys L @Colts L
Cincy W Raiders W
@Titans W @Eagles L
Redskins W Chiefs W

11-5 10-6

So it’s looking like the Giants are gonna have a big part in this. Chargers are gonna need to win in NY and NY are gonna need to win in Denver for Chargers to have a chance.

As for this week-end, Rivers and the offense are gonna have to duplicate what McNabb, Warner and Brees have done to that secondary and i think he’s more than capable.

by Freddyd on Nov 4, 2009 10:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

i think we'll beat dallas...it is in december

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

by notorioushbi on Nov 4, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Dallas is key

If the Chargers can beat them, I can see them easily winning their last 6 games. Considering we’re 4-3 now, that would put us at at least 10-6 and hopefully the team could pull out one against NY, PHI or DEN to get up to 11 wins.

I don’t think Dallas or Cincy is all that weak, but I think if the Bolts can manage to beat the Cowboys they’ll be on a roll (at least 3 straight wins) and will roll over Cincy. Just my two cents. I love momentum.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Nov 4, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe we'll get lucky and play indy for the afc championship

"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."

...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs

by notorioushbi on Nov 4, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One could only hope.

Isn’t it amazing how none of the other AFC South teams run the 3-4? It’s a defense that Peyton simply cannot do well against, and the teams that face him twice a year have no interest in running it. That seems shady to me.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Houston used to run it

And got beat by Indy for like a million games straight. After they switched to the 4-3 they finally beat him. Jeff Fisher has been running his defense the same since before Manning got there. The Jaguars on the other hand…

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Nov 4, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the Jags should be running the 3-4.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John (obviousman) on Nov 4, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good News/Bad News

Nick Hardwick working with first team to start position drills; no Kevin Burnnett at practice — ka

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 4, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Probably not

I rather not rush him back to get him injured right again and i would hope thats what the coaches want also.

Chargers = Aztecs
We have proof.

by Dude52089 on Nov 4, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sdutChargers Hardwick was limited in practice. This will drag on all week. I think he'll play -- ka

Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 4, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

let him rest 1 more week

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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 5, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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