Stat of the Day: 2008 Chargers vs. 2009 Chargers
Total Offense
2008:
- 11th in yards per game
- 3rd in yards per play
- 2nd in points per game
- 4th in 3rd down conversion %
- +4 turnovers
2009:
- 16th in yards per game
- 12th in yards per play
- 4th in points per game
- 12th in 3rd down conversion %
- +5 turnovers
Passing Offense
2008:
- 7th in passing yards per game
- 1st in yards per attempt
- 8th in passing plays of 20+ yards
- 9th least sacks allowed
- 5th least interceptions thrown
2009:
- 11th in passing yards per game
- 3rd in yards per attempt
- 6th in passing plays of 20+ yards
- 13th least sacks allowed
- 3rd least interceptions thrown
Rushing Offense
2008:
- 20th in rushing yards per game
- 18th in yards per carry
- 19th in rushing touchdowns
- 12th in rushing plays of 20+ yards
- 1st in least amount of fumbles
2009:
- 29th in rushing yards per game
- 31st in yards per carry
- 12th in rushing touchdowns
- 19th in rushing plays of 20+ yards
- 1st in least amount of fumbles
Editor's Note: This was going to be a purely-stat post, but my god. How have we not realized and stressed repeatedly that the Chargers' key to victory is that they turn over the ball less than any other team in football? For all of the harping that has been done over his early-season playcalling, Norv Turner deserves an insane amount of credit for being able to eliminate mistakes.
If you're looking for a reason why Football Outsiders' computers liked the Chargers so much in the preseason, the lack of turnovers would probably be the best place to start.
Total Defense
2008:
- 25th in yards allowed per game
- 21st in yards allowed per play
- 15th in points allowed per game
- 20th in stopping 3rd down conversions
- 23rd in forced fumbles
2009:
- 14th in yards allowed per game
- 9th in yards allowed per play
- 15th in points allowed per game
- 24th in stopping 3rd down conversions
- 23rd in forced fumbles
Rushing Defense
2008:
- 11th in rushing yards allowed per game
- 11th lowest yards per carry allowed
- 8th least rushing TDs allowed
- 2nd least rushing plays of 20+ yards allowed
2009:
- 21st in rushing yards allowed per game
- 13th lowest yards per carry allowed
- 11th least rushing TDs allowed
- 1st in least amount of rushing plays of 20+ yards allowed
Editor's Note: We haven't gotten to the passing defense yet, but this formula is becoming quite clear. Ron Rivera has fixed whatever problems there were in the secondary, and even though the defense isn't much worse at defending the run teams are choosing to run on them a lot more than they did last season.
Passing Defense
2008:
- 31st in passing yards allowed per game
- 14th in least amount of yards allowed per pass attempt
- 27th in passing TDs allowed
- 11th in interceptions
- 5th least in passing plays of 20+ yards allowed
2009:
- 11th in passing yards allowed per game
- 16th in least amount of yards allowed per pass attempt
- 15th in passing TDs allowed
- 14th in interceptions
- 5th least in passing plays of 20+ yards allowed
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really interesting
So it seems like our improvement in record this year is due mainly to improvements in defense. Although none of the numbers really jump out at you as the reason between our good record this year and our bad record last year (at this pont in the season)
I have another theory I’ve been thinking about. It spawned by how Kevin Acee is always surprised by how teams tend to get away from what they do best against the Chargers. For instance, the Broncos and Giants seemed to stop running the ball despite sucess on the ground, and the Broncos didn’t blitz as much in game 2 as they did in game 1. I think it is partially due to the Chargers’ early success. I think once the Chargers get points on the board and get up by more than one TD, the other team starts to panic a little. They know we are an exposive offense and if they are down by two scores, there is a good chance things are going to get out of hand quick. So they get a little more desperate on offense and end up throwing the ball more which may not play to their strength. And while our secondary might not be a whole lot better than last year, our DL is much better at applying pressure when we know they are going to pass.
It would be interesting to see how 1st quarter and 1st half leads this year compare to last year.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Nov 24, 2009 8:51 AM PST reply actions
Perception is a weird thing
because watching this years team, I feel we are better then last year in almost every category. I’d say maybe because these are not defensive adjusted stats(?) but our opponents through week 10 seemed similar to last years in terms of strength.
This is a very acceptable formula:
4th in points per game
15th in points allowed per game
+5 turnovers
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by soulSD on Nov 24, 2009 10:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Our adjusted stats went up some too.
I made a fanshot about it.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 24, 2009 11:56 AM PST reply actions
Thanks, I'll have to check that.
Also, props for your new signature. One of the best shows never to finish a broadcast season.
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Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 24, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
The passing offense seems to be every bit of efficient as it was last year (DVOA can back this up). But, the run game took a step back. The passing offense isn’t able accumulate quite as many of the yards because the run game doesn’t help it pick up first downs as much. So basically the conventional stats will make it look like the offense as a whole took a step back, but really it all stems from the running game.
On defense the rankings in total yards don’t seem to mesh with the yards per play. On defense we are higher ranked yards per game, but lower ranked in yards per play. That is really odd. We must be doing a better job of limiting their possessions on offense. I know our ST is worse this year, so it also may be that we are giving them better field position and so they don’t accumulate as many yards. Interesting.
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Opponents are running on us.
This is really a consequence of more defensive consistency. It’s pointless to try to beat San Diego with the deep ball: for every accurate bomb, there’s an int and a couple of sacks, not to mention a few misses an thrown away balls. So opponents, unable to put their QB back in the pocket and bomb away, are running the ball. You’d see more passing and more passing YPG, but not more YPA, if we were able to run the ball effectively and put teams away (see: Philly game).
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 24, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Big plays
We are good at defending those, but underneath coverage seems a little off. Thats the coverage linebackers being a little slow to act/react. One thing I would like to see more out of our linemen is hands up in the air to bat or tip passes. I only ever see Philips doing it and occasionally Merriman. But the front 3 should start doing it more often as well. Tipped passes = more INT’s and less completions.
by Superduperboltman on Nov 24, 2009 1:28 PM PST reply actions
I think a lot of it has to do with Cooper’s abysmal zone coverage skills.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Not a lot of mistakes.
This is why this team doesn’t lose many games to bad teams. This is why I’m not worried about the KC game.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 PM PST reply actions
i just saw the question answering thing on AP
and damn those are some angry people,
stay away from those chiefs fans, i never thought it but they were the worse.
They have really been the most annoying opposing fans all year.
Even the Mile High guys have been all right.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 24, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
The Raider fans are actually the best of the bunch. Go figure.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
It makes sense if you think about
The rowdy fans probably aren’t going to be the blogging sort and the ones that do blog are probably Silicon Valley intellectuals.
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I suppose that makes sense.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
How does this explain the Chiefs fans?
I guess living in Missouri will do that to people.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 24, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
I sort of liked Missouri.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 24, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
St. Louis is better than Kansas City
… when it comes to any kind of refinement/civility. Still, I didn’t think Chief fans would be that unclassy.
I’m convinced that Chiefs fans are the only fanbase left that watches ESPN’s football coverage. Every time I’m over there they’re still talking about Brees>Rivers, Turner>LT and Marty>Norv. That was 3 years ago, fellas.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 25, 2009 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
Brees is greater than Rivers
Turner is greater than LT
But Marty is retired. Can’t win the game if you don’t even enter it.
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The way I took his comment
was that ESPN says we should have kept Brees over Rivers and Turner over LT at the time the decisions were made.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 25, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
The most surprising one to me
is the drop in 3rd down % from 2008 to 2009 (by rank, I didn’t actually bother checking the raw percentage). Just by gut feeling, it seemed like 3rd down conversions were rare last year and pretty frequent this year. Maybe last year it was a case of several conversions in a row on shorter plays, followed by crushing stops to kill a drive (and more memorable for me). Then this year, big plays have taken away the sheer number of 3rd downs and lowered the percentage in a smaller sample, and the conversions have happened in more memorable situations for me.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Nov 24, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions
I disagree
My gut says that we are getting killed on third down compared to last year. My gut says that we stall out on way more drives this year than last year. Probably because our running game isn’t putting us into good situations on 3rd down. Also, Chris Chambers can’t catch.
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How often you think Chambers got licked by one of our boys in practice?
Here’s hoping that Jammer, Weddle, or Ellison lays a licking on him.
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Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...
by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 24, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Sure Hope Chambers doesn't have a big game against us....
Chambers certainly was dropping WAY too many passes for us, and I was all for Malcolm’s taking over for him as a starter (and even advocated making Bennett active over Chambers in the week before we cut Chris); but there’s no denying that Chambers has been effective for KC…. If (and hopefully when) we beat KC, it won’t matter that the Chiefs picked him up, but how you can let a guy go, get no compensation for him, and allow him to end up on a team you’re going to be playing later in the season is beyond me….
I guess they figured he couldn’t hurt our D too much…. OR, if he COULD hurt our D, that he could also hurt Denver’s; and the Chiefs play Denver twice still…. I always liked Chris (until his weak play for us this year), so, EXCEPT for this coming Sunday, Go, Chris!
I'm not worried
He’s been playing well against zone coverage, which everybody has been running because they think Cassel is inaccurate and the WRs besides Bowe are terrible. The Chargers play much more man (to go with the blitzes) and Chambers struggles in that scenario.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 25, 2009 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
46% to 41%.
I think you’re just thinking of recent history. Early in the season, 3rd down conversions were few and far between (thanks partly to Chambers’ butterfingers).
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by John Gennaro on Nov 25, 2009 6:20 AM PST up reply actions
yeah too many three and outs earlier
Up untill the last couple of games, it seemed like there were way too many three and outs. Causing our defense to have to spend too much time on the field. Hopefully that is changing and our offense can sustain drives and at the very least pin the opposition deep in their own territory. And, it seems the pass rush has improved a little over the last few games. But, I agree. If the rushers are stopped and the qb is throwing, get your hands up, you never know when you might tip the ball. Even if it’s not intercepted, it eliminates the pass interference call if the ball is tipped. How many times have you seen a flag thrown only to be called no foul due to the ball being tipped.
Couldn't agree more -- with all your points.
Historically, our defensive line has not been coached well about this; earlier in the decade it seemed they were making improvements (this was under Marty’s reign, I think — not that I’m touting a Marty return over Norv and Norv’s better play-off record, mind you), but it seems to have regressed. Not too surprising with our NT fill-ins, but that’s not the whole D-line…. Our defense in the Air Coryell days was never that good, but Leroy Jones, Fred Dean, Louie Kelcher, and Gary “Big Hands” Johnson were a pretty good 4-man front. They were strangely inconsistent about getting their hands up (sometimes great, other times terrible), so as a teenager watching the Chargers and football in general I really clued into this…. It’s amazing to me how few teams are coached well in this area…. Maybe it’s more instinct and innate talent than coaching, but I refuse to ultimately believe that: I’ve seen it get contagious on some D-lines….
With the running game improving the last two games, definitely fewer 3-and-outs…. If we have another good day running the ball Sunday, even though it’s the Chiefs, I may actually begin to believe we’ve turned a corner on that…. Maybe rookie LV is really learning. (He has been pretty solid in pass-blocking, which is what he was known for.) Hopefully Clary’s being out won’t make us take a step backwards (but it could)…. The Runyan signing’s a good move. Wonder why he wouldn’t sign (with us) back before the season started…(?)….
Runyan was coming off of knee surgury.
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Runyan wanted to start wherever he signed
I read somewhere that AJ tried to convince Runyan to join us after the Oakland game, when it was clear that our backup linemen may need to play extended stretches this season. Runyan didn’t bite then because it would have still been a temporary starting position. Now, with Clary on IR, he has been brought in to start on a clear contender – that excites old guys without a ring. He has played in two Superbowls, but like every Charger in history – no championships. That should change this year with a dose of strong right-side run blocking. My bet is that no one is more excited than Tomlinson about this new acquistion – a really tough run blocker to open holes.
by norcalboltfan on Nov 26, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Good call.
He’ll also be helpful as a teacher to young guys like Vasquez, McNeill, and Dombrowski.
Also, let me be the first to say welcome to BFTB!
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Ali Villanueva (OT/WR, Army) has 460 yards and 5 TDs in only 7 games with a mediocre quarterback. Just sayin'...
by StrangeBroP25 on Nov 26, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Don't Overlook...
Don’t overlook the penalty factor. Just thinking about the last two games, I think the Chargers were penalized 150-200 yds less than the Eagles and Broncos combined.
Good point on the Penalties
We’re T-5th in the league in lowest penalties at 52. Jacksonville is 1st with 50.
Muchas Cosas
I dunno, we need muchas cosas. We need guys on the o-line that can open up holes. As quick as Mighty Mouse is he can’t push through – he’s just too small. LT still has it but he too needs guys that can part the sea. I will admit, it was good to see EVERYBODY get a big carry against the Donkeys on Sunday.
We do need a guy in the Lorenzo Neal mold….
Overall, I’m glad our Bolts are back on top. It’s been crazy to watch over the past few weeks. I’m FINALLY startng to calm down and get into playoff push mode. This means the furniture will last a little longer and the dogs won’t freak out and wet the carpet.
It’s been great to watch the recent clock manipulation on the part of the Chargers – this is a welcome change. I know there aren’t too many Rivers fans out there but the kid has becme a leader of near field general proportions. That drive against the Giants was awesome!
Bolts Pride everybody…..OOH-RAH!
I think that it’s incredible that (going by DVOA) the only thing we’re better at this year is defending the pass. Running the ball, passing the ball, stopping the run and special teams are all areas where we’re weaker in 2009.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
There are number of factors at work there
First is that the Chargers weren’t that bad last year. Three of their better performances by DVOA last year ended losses to the Panthers, Broncos and Saints, but were better than most of their performances this year. The Chargers have also been pretty consistently average this year which keeps team from catching us on a bad day like the Bills, Steelers, Dolphins and Falcons last year. Last year’s team also had some great games that padded their stats (Patriots and Bucs) that this years team hasn’t done, but each of those only equals 1 win a piece.
I think the lesson here is that its just hard to read much from a team that had as little consistency as the 2008 Chargers. The 2009 Chargers are so different from the perspective, it’s probably the steadiest season we’ve ever seen here.
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