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BFTB Interviews Hall of Fame TE Kellen Winslow

On Thursday, I had a chance to interview Kellen Winslow.  Inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1995, he is without a doubt one of the greatest players to ever play in San Diego.  Depending on who you're talking to, he's the best or 2nd best TE the Chargers have ever had.  Besides that info, and seeing a handful of highlights, I didn't know too much about Mr. Winslow.  For instance, did you know he's the Athletic Director of Central State University in Ohio?  Me neither. 

The best thing I found out about Kellen during our 15 minutes conversation is that he's got a tremendous sense of humor.  It may not come across in the text below, but most of these answers were said while he was chuckling.  He couldn't have been nicer or easier to interview.  Now, onto the Q&A......

 

What are your feelings heading into this week's Broncos/Chargers game?

If I remember the Broncos....they were one of the luckiest teams we ever played against, besides the Raiders.  if ever the ball was on the ground it seemed to bounce their way.  And not just a bounce and then they fall on it, it would bounce right up to them so that they could run with the ball.  It could be that they were that good at getting turnovers, I don't know.  But every time i think about a game against the Broncos I think about the ball bouncing their way.

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You don't think about playing at Mile High Stadium and trying to catch your breath?

Oh, that.  (laughs)  You know, you learn to deal with that because it's about keeping yourself hydrated and taking in fluids before the game.  You learn playing there, and we played there every year, after a couple times you say "Okay, this is what I have to do." 

 

Who do you think is the best Tight End in the NFL Today?

Oh, wow.  Who's the best athletic Tight End or most productive?  It's hard to say who's the best based on a lot of things.  I like this kid in Tampa

The best overall though?  Really, there's no such thing.  There's no such thing as the best overall because one week a guy will have a good game based on what the defense is doing and next week another guy will, based on what the defense is doing.  When they finish with their careers, that's when you can really rank them.  I try to stay away from individual honors so much, in terms of purely stats, because you're only as good as the people around you.  I would not have had the career I had if not for playing with Dan Fouts, Russ Washington, Ed White, Charlie Joiner, John Jefferson, Wes Chandler, etc. because they provided the environment for me to do what I did.  And if I had not played in that organization with that coaching staff, you wouldn't be talking to Kellen Winslow about his Hall of Fame career.

Who's the best?  That's a very difficult, very subjective thing to say.  Who's the most productive?  The stats say that every year.

 

So if it's better to rank the TEs once their careers are over, is there somebody that you have in mind as the best TE of all time....excluding yourself?

John Mackey.  I didn't even have to hesitate, John Mackey.

Wow, not really a name I was expecting.

Well, most of the time people think about numbers.  And when you talk about a guy who was a game-changer, who was versatile.  He was a blocker.  He could've been the original H-Back, they just didn't call him that. 

 

Tell me what you're doing with Van Heusen and the Hall of Fame Fan's Vote.

Van Heusen has partnered with Hall of Fame Enterprises to try to get the fans more involved in the Hall of Fame voting process.  So now fans can voice their opinion, with their votes, about who they think should be eligible or should be inducted into this year's Hall of Fame class.  It's something that the Hall has taken a look at, and has realized that the fans have really been isolated from this process and have not been able to voice their opinion.  So now this gives the fans a vehicle, a format, a platform if you will, to voice their opinion.

I don't think there's any question that the players leading the vote, such as Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Cris Carter, are first-ballot Hall of Famers.  I think the great thing about the fan vote is that it can show support for some of the players that have been eligible for a few years and haven't gotten in, such as Ray Guy or other players in that same situation.  Are there any players or coaches in that situation that you think belong in the Hall of Fame?

From a player's perspective, Ray Guy.  Without a doubt.  He meets all of the criteria of being in the Hall of Fame.  Impact player, changed the game.  He changed the way you have to handle punt returns and changed the way you had to think about the game in terms of field position.  Definitely Ray Guy.

From a coach's perspective, Don Coryell.  It is such a no-brainer.  Don Coryell, again, meets the same criteria.  He changed the game of football.  He was an impact coach.  Joe Gibbs, Bill Walsh...they all come off of that Don Coryell coaching tree. 

 

If you're looking at Don Coryell's offense, the one that you were a part of, and comparing it to the Chargers' current offense...do you think one is better than the other?

It's the same thing.  It's just different terminology, it's the same thing.  It's based on the same premise.  Spread the field, find the mismatches and take advantage of the mismatches.  Put together personnel that gives you that mismatch. 

The only difference, in our offense against the current Chargers offense, is that we didn't do as many personnel changes.  For example, in my early days with the Chargers, we would start the game with two Tight Ends, two Wide Receivers and one Running Back.  And from that personnel, we would run every formation that we wanted to without changing personnel.  We could go to three wide, we could go to single-back, we could go to two Tight Ends, we could go to a flank position where two Tight Ends are on the same side and one's off the ball. 

We just ran everything we wanted to run from that situation, which made it very difficult for defenses to say "Okay, what are they going to do now?  How do we shift personnel?"  They had to go out and draft for that very specific need of "How do you stop the San Diego Chargers?"  Most teams, when they bring in two Tight Ends you know they're going with a two Tight End formation.  When they want to switch to three wide, you would know they were going to three wide because they'd bring in another Wide Receiver.  When they want to go to an I-formation, you'd see the Fulback come in.

 

What do you think of Norv Turner as a Head Coach?

I like Norv, I really do.  If the job is to win the Super Bowl, and it is, I think the Chargers have the talent and the organization to get it done.  The ball just has to bounce the right way for them to get things done.  The fact that they get off to a slow start doesn't bother me at all.

 

What do you miss most about playing?

My teammates, without a doubt.  There's something special about being part of a team and the camaraderie that you share with them.  Without a doubt, I miss my teammates.

 

Should the San Diego Chargers retire #80?

(laughs) Now why would they do that?

Well, you're one of the few members of the Chargers who is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame (1 of only 10, and that's counting Unitas, Deacon Jones and John Mackey), you're in the Chargers Hall of Fame and they retired Lance Alworth's number.  I, honestly, don't see a reason why not.

How many numbers do they have retired?

There's only two or three, it's not a lot.  (There's two, #14 and #19)

I'm going to reserve comment on that one.  They can if they want to......

I'll say it, I believe they should.

Thank you, I appreciate that

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Interesting post

He is pretty humble about every question you asked.

On a different note, Sam SDSU should totally get him as their AD.

by Dude52089 on Nov 21, 2009 7:29 AM PST reply actions  

Central State’s football team is awful. I was going to ask him about it until I saw their record and the number of blowouts against them. He’s only been there for a year though.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 21, 2009 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I suspect that in a few years there will be 3 retired numbers.

That is, we’re watching the last #21. But no, don’t retire #80. KW was a great player, but only one jersey retired per era, please, and that one went to #14.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 21, 2009 7:55 AM PST reply actions  

I disagree

I don’t want to shortchange Fouts as a QB, but in terms of changing his position, league wide impact, game impact…Kellen was far more of an impression as a tight end than Fouts was at his.

by bo_shilo on Nov 21, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I think once LT retires

there won’t be anymore 21s in San Diego.

by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 21, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

number 55 is basically retired

i think they are just waiting for jr to retire.

i havent seen anynone where that number, not even in preseason.

by cameronm on Nov 21, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

True

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 22, 2009 3:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice!

I can’t remember how many Sundays I watched him and the rest of Air Coryell chewing up the yardage. And that Miami game where he just left it all on the field was one of the all time greats. He was the prototype for modern tight ends. I’m sure he would never say it, but he was the best, the first of a new breed. It’s just my opinion, but I would retire his, Fouts and Joiners numbers in a heartbeat. Those guys defined Air Coryell, and they were all key components to the puzzle, none of them would have been as extraordinary without the others.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 21, 2009 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I also found it interesting, transcribing this interview, that when talking about his “supporting cast” he went from Fouts to the defense and then to the rest of the offense.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 21, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Fantastic!

Thank you so much for doing this. He is so well spoken and classy.

by Chilango on Nov 21, 2009 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

nice to see

As a young girl growing up in San Diego, I was lucky to spend an enormous amount of time at the stadium. I have very vivid memories of athletes who I adored. I was never an autorgraph seeker I just wanted to meet them and shake hands. Three athletes I recall totally dissing me were Pete Rose (who wore way too much aqua velva or whatever) Ron Cey, and Kellen Winslow. I’m happy to see Mr. Winslow more approachable.

by skberry64 on Nov 21, 2009 10:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

This man speaks the truth!
If I remember the Broncos….they were one of the luckiest teams we ever played against, besides the Raiders. if ever the ball was on the ground it seemed to bounce their way. And not just a bounce and then they fall on it, it would bounce right up to them so that they could run with the ball.

True to this day… The only way the Broncos or Raiders can beat us, luck… (or cheating).

"Get on board early," Black said, alluding to, what he feels, is a crop of up-and-coming players.

"I would tell those fans that we're going to play good baseball. We're going to play hard. We're going to have exciting young players..." -Bud Black

by The Kipper on Nov 21, 2009 10:46 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

AGREED!

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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 21, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

GREAT READ

And good interview johnny boy!!

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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 21, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

So cool

Too young to remember that era. But from what I’ve seen in films, it was an amazing time to be a Chargers fan. Second only to the current Chargers team. Didn’t he dominate in that playoff game in Miami? He was hurt too, I think. The guy is a stud, I’d vote for retiring his number.

If I remember the Broncos....they were one of the luckiest teams we ever played against - Kellen Winslow

by soulSD on Nov 21, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

from Wikipedia
In a 1982 (1981 season) playoff game against the Miami Dolphins that became known as The Epic in Miami, Winslow caught a playoff record 13 passes for 166 yards and a touchdown, while also blocking a field goal with seconds remaining to send the game to overtime in one of the greatest single player efforts in NFL history. What made Winslow’s performance all the more memorable was that fact during the game he was treated for a pinched nerve in his shoulder, dehydration, severe cramps, and received three stitches in his lower lip. After the game, a picture of Winslow being helped off the field by his teammates became an enduring image in NFL Lore.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Nov 21, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like Ken Caminiti
Caminiti’s toughness reached legendary proportions in August of 1996, when two liters of an IV solution and a Snickers bar helped him overcome dehydration, diarrhea, and nausea and hit two home runs for the second straight game against the New York Mets in Monterrey, Mexico. The 8-0 win tied San Diego with Los Angeles for first place in the NL West; Caminiti’s inspiring play eventually led the Padres to their first division title since 1984. Beleaguered at various points throughout the year by an abdominal strain, a partly-torn biceps tendon, a left elbow that required reconstructive surgery after the season and chronic pain in his back, groin, and hamstrings, the beleaguered third baseman became the first Padre ever to win the NL MVP.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 21, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't he roided out at the time though?

shit I could have done that with 100 cc’s of adrenalin also.All those “performances” in the late 90’s seem less authentic now don’t you think? (obviously no disrespect to Caminiti of course)

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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 22, 2009 1:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I only met KW once

When I was around 10 years old or so, playing in the Kellen Winslow Flag Football League (Goooo Toyota of El Cajon!!), and he came to one of our practices and he signed my … dammit, what do you call those books that come out before preseason that talk about the team, with pictures and such… feh, anyways, he signed it and was really cool about it.

Big thumbs up to him, and big thumbs up to John for the interview.

by Nohm on Nov 21, 2009 2:42 PM PST reply actions  

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