Orton's Grade II sprain will keep him out this weekend "barring miracle."
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Dude whatever
I put this in the comments
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 9:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Philip Rivers and his ACL think Will Carroll is hilarious.
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by John (obviousman) on Nov 20, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Quote from Will Carroll on Wednesday
Kyle Orton’s ankle is day-to-day, but a simple ankle sprain. Expect him to play, since he’s not that mobile to begin with
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by Wonko on Nov 20, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 20, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It gets better
So I start inquiring in the comments about this:
ESPN is reporting that the ankle sprain is a tear. That would imply that it’s a grade II sprain. Is that what was meant by “simple ankle sprain” or were sources saying that it was a grade I when the article was written?
Him:
All sprains are tears. It’s the very definition. A sprain is a tearing of a ligament, in the same way that a strain is a muscle or tendon tearing. I don’t know how people don’t get this and that I have to say it over and over.
A SPRAIN IS A TEAR.
Me:
I had thought that based on reading all your articles, but I was shown up when someone told me that a Grade I was not a tear. I tried to follow your definition, but then I looked up the definition of a Grade I sprain almost everything I could find said that its a stretching of the ligament, while a Grade II is a tear and a Grade III is a full tear. Trust me, I’ve heard you say this many times, but it seems like there are a lot of places that disagree with the “sprain is a tear” mantra for Grade I sprains.
Him:
For more on this and why it’s difficult to say, check this out:
http://www.radiologyassistant.nl/en/42764e8fe927e
I’ll refer everyone especially to MCL, image (2).
No mention of the grade of the sprain that I was trying to coax out of him. Apparently he was just slapping me around while he waited to update his twitter with the info.
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by Wonko on Nov 20, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wonko was getting slapped around by Willy
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's making himself sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 20, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On some level
stretching is tearing, no?
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 20, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to be what Will is trying to tell me
Although, in my material science classes I learned about things that stretched without tearing. I’m guessing that those same properties may not apply to ligaments.
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by Wonko on Nov 20, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's always been my understanding as well
You can certainly stretch the ligament too far without it necessarily tearing. Ligaments are actually elastic, so they most certainly can stretch out. Stretch them out too far, and they’ll stay stretched out, and the joint is now not as stable as it should be (in this case, Orton’s ankle).
A stretched ligament that hasn’t torn? That’s a Stage I sprain.
by creanium on Nov 20, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JMcD is not as good at this as Belichick
QB Kyle Orton won’t practice Friday but “absolutely” has a chance to play against San Diego on Sunday, according to coach Josh McDaniels. Orton has been deemed “questionable.”
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 10:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
McD
“He has a chance to play, I swear! Questionable, 50% right! Scout’s honor!”
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Starters listed as questionable
Play 61.9% of the time.
Chart:
2001-2008……Starters…Reserves
Probable………..94.9%……80.3%
Questionable…..61.9%……43.4%
Doubtful…………9.6%……..5.8%
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by Wonko on Nov 20, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd been trying to find an opportunity to put that somewhere
And you implied that Questionable meant 50%. While the guidelines may say 50%, it obvious doesn’t mean that. I’m not really trying to be critical of you, just trying to further my own agenda and you are a pawn.
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by Wonko on Nov 20, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well what I meant to say was
The chances of Orton are really probably around slim to none but McD isn’t doing a good job of keeping that a secret.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn't practice today or play...
the league is going to be pissed at him being listed as “questionable”. There are certain guidelines that need to be followed with injury reports. I believe if the player is not able to practice at all during the week, the highest he can be listed at is “doubtful”.
If McD is listing him higher than that just to screw with SD, the league will ask for copies of the Broncos practice tapes and they could fine the Broncos for not following proper protocol.
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by John (obviousman) on Nov 20, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I know he's NOT practicing today. (see above)
and here. Looks like they won’t even test it until Sunday morning.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It does seem like a lot of misdirection
Most coaches won’t let any player play if they don’t practice on Friday. Especially, if they play a position where that doesn’t get rotated in and out.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Nov 20, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Play, play, play!
I want to watch him bray like a goat as S&S tear him apart! It’s not so much fun picking on a guy with no spleen.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 20, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You took him
‘en-passant’, as it were (I’m not yet an American football stat-geek, but chess is another matter).
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by Aussie fan on Nov 21, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your affinity for obscure stats amazes me
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by justdave on Nov 20, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is that obscure?
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by Richard Wade on Nov 20, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, geez
I only had to type “questionable doubtful probable site:www.footballoutsiders.com” into google and choose the 8th link on that page. This stuff is not hard to find people.
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by Wonko on Nov 20, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i meant generally, not specifically this stat
i love reading wonks posts. i had no idea what half this crap was before. good times.
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by justdave on Nov 20, 2009 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting that
That is really cool data, and I’ve always been curious. Though apparently not curious enough to google questionable doubtful probable footballoutsiders and find the 8th result.
by benrb on Nov 20, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I smell a lot of runs from the Broncos . . .
to compensate for a reduced passing attack.
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by Desyrel on Nov 20, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Haha. You smell the runs. Eww.
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Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would that we'd be so lucky!
That would pretty much solve this. If Sam knows any good curses, that would be a new definition of Montezuma’s Revenge!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 20, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are too much!
I walked into that! After raising two boys I don’t find much funny smelling!
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by Desyrel on Nov 20, 2009 11:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bellichick would list it as a shoulder
MCDaniels has a lot to learn. lol
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
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by Buck Melanoma on Nov 20, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
We have a coach in Australia
who is famous for the number of his players who ‘catch’ the flu… (there’s also been famous instances of players getting their broken jaws re-wired in secret and playing the following week with no one outside the club knowing what had happened – one player from my team however was stupid enough to walk past the press-conference in a moon boot [for a broken foot] at the same time the coach was assuring everyone that the player was fine!)
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by Aussie fan on Nov 21, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
We’re back to where we started earlier this week. We really have no idea who’s going to start!
by ArksnBolts on Nov 20, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well I guess
Kyle Orton is a game-time decision this week. But I think he’s a game-time decision every week. The coach just looks around before kickoff: “Ah, hell. No one better showed up. Kyle? You’re in again.”
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 20, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dammit ....
Mickey D is screwing with the books!!
If the thunder don't get ya then the lightning will!!
Robert Hunter
by Buck Melanoma on Nov 20, 2009 2:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Remember, Kids...
Never trust Will Carroll.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 23, 2009 9:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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