Bolts & Dolts: Eagles @ Chargers
When I got home from the Giants game last week (at about 10pm), I was still wearing my white LT jersey. As I mentioned last week, my jersey of choice is the powder-blue 17 but I had let my bodyguard/friend wear it during the game since it's much bigger and the 21 wouldn't have even fit him. Usually the 21 sits in the closet or my wife throws it on.
Anyways, I got home and, pumped off a dramatic and unlikely day, decided that the jersey was lucky. I declared that, until proven otherwise, the jersey was not to be washed and was going to be worn during all Chargers games. Based off of the jersey's performance yesterday (win vs. Eagles, loss for Broncos), I'd say it still has some good juju in it. An honorary Bolt goes to my lucky Tomlinson jersey for yesterday's victory.
Now, onto the real Bolts & Dolts....
Bolts
Offense
Philip Rivers - 20/25, 231 yds, 2 TDs. This may have been Philip's most efficient game all season. There was no inaccurate passes and even the 5 incomplete balls were either thrown out of bounds or catchable balls. He was feeling it yesterday and it's a big reason why the offense was able to put up 31 points.
LaDainian Tomlinson - 24 carries, 96 yds, 2 TDs. Welcome to the party, LT! A really strong game from him. The play call certainly helped. He was put behind the defense with draw plays when they were selling out, and the secondary couldn't focus on him because of their lack of talent at CB. It was a perfect scenario and LT came through in a big way. I wish he could've gotten over 100 yds, but I'm sure any game where he ends up with a 4.0 YPC is a good one in his book.
Antonio Gates - 7 catches, 78 yds. Think Antonio Gates worked on catching the ball after his 2 big drops last week? He was targeted 8 times and came up with the ball 7 of those times. The other time it was knocked away by a defender. This is a case of the coaching staff identifying a weakness (Eagles struggle covering TEs) and attacking it.
Legedu Naanee - 3 catches, 42 yds, 1 TD. I was worried about this. The Eagles had 2 good CBs to defend Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd, but nobody after that. Most teams would say "okay, the slot WR is going to have a big game", but Naanee had been almost invisible in this offense since the early part of the season up until last week against the Giants. Hopefully, with two big weeks in a row, he's turned a corner and will be a weekly weapon for Rivers. We know his upside (speed, size, hands, strength) and he put it to use in getting the TD catch and also with a clutch catch to extend the Chargers final offensive drive.
Mike Tolbert - 2 catches, 25 yds, 1 TD. Tolbert is really turning into a hell of a FB, and the player we all hoped he would become when he came burst on the scene last season. Not only was his TD grab awesome (he looks like Sproles when he gets the ball in his hands!), but his run-blocking was near-perfect all night.
Defense
Kevin Burnett - 9 tackles, 1 tackle-for-loss, 1 QB hit, 1 defended pass. Welcome back in a big way, KB. I was wondering how Burnett would react when I saw the e-mail that said Brandon Siler was getting the start. To be fair, Burnett led the team in tackles mostly because the Eagles targeted the MLBs in zone with their WRs. However, when he wasn't chasing 150-pound WRs, Burnett was making goal-line stands and defending TEs on big plays. Just another good all-around game from the new guy. Let's hope he can stay healthy now.
Paul Oliver - 6 tackles, 1 sack. Dare I say it? I think the SS-by-committee approach is working. Oliver plays very well in coverage, but doesn't offer much in run support. Kevin Ellison is a beast in run-support, but doesn't offer much in the way of coverage. You'd think this would make it easy for the offense, but Ron Rivera has been pressing the right buttons at this spot and it's working. Against the Eagles' pass-happy offense, Oliver played significantly more than Ellison and played well. Next week, against the Broncos team that is struggling to pass the ball and may be missing their starting QB, he may not see much of the field.
Quentin Jammer - 6 tackles. Not Q's best game in terms of coverage, but to be fair DeSean Jackson is probably twice as fast as him. However, Jammer's tackling was a game-changer. Especially when it was him on Brent Celek, one-on-one and Jammer won the battle (this happened at least twice). Huge game for him and I just hope there's no residual effects from that hit on his leg by Weddle.
Special Teams
Mike Scifres - 4 punts, 50 yd average, 2 inside opp. 20. Scifres is slowly, but surely, working his way back up the punting charts after playing for a few weeks with a tweaked groin. He's 8th in punting average, 10th in net punting average and 10th in the number on punts that have landed inside the opponents' 20 yard line. A lot of people are quick to hold every game he has against the one he played in Indy last season, but that's really unfair. That was a once-in-a-lifetime game for a guy that is still putting on great punting displays week-in and week-out.
Dolts
Offense
Darren Sproles/Norv Turner - 2 carries, 14 rush yds, 4 catches, 31 rec yds. The reason this is Darren/Norv is because Darren's bad game is half Norv's fault. Look at Norv's playcall on 3rd & short for the entire game:
- (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass incomplete short right to V.Jackson.
- D.Sproles left end to SD 33 for no gain (M.Fokou).
- D.Sproles right tackle to PHI 25 for no gain (Q.Mikell, W.Witherspoon). PENALTY on PHI-R.Robinson, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 25 - No Play.
- (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short middle to L.Naanee to PHI 15 for 18 yards (V.Harris, W.Witherspoon).
If you disregard the penalty that kept that drive alive, that's a 25% conversion rate on 3rd & short. There's not a single run by LT, Jacob Hester or Mike Tolbert in that situation. I understand Sproles is quick/strong enough that he can usually get that last yard, but only when it's a surprise and it just isn't anymore. It's time to start trusting LT on 3rd & short again.
Defense
Pass-Rush - 2 sacks, 4 QB hits. It took 4 quarters, but I understand what the defensive gameplan was. The Chargers prevented the Eagles from throwing deep (for the most part) and then locked down when they got near to goal line. The gameplan was to try FGs for TDs, and it worked. Because they were often playing zone, this meant a lot less CB and Safety blitzes than we've become accustomed to lately. This meant less creativity on the defensive side of the football. Essentially the Chargers were rushing 4 or 5 guys on every play, and just about everyone knew who was coming and from where. The couple of times things got creative, it worked (Oliver's sack, Gregory blowing up the double-reverse).
I'm not saying there should've been more blitzes. I agree with the gameplan. However, I think Shawne Merriman, Shaun Phillips and Larry English were pretty easily handled and I did not like to see that. I don't want to believe that the only reason those guys were having success was because of all of the blitzing from elsewhere. I'll instead choose to believe that Merriman and Phillips injuries were the culprit.
Steve Gregory - 4 tackles. A lot of people were afraid that this game would eventually come, and it did. Gregory has shown himself to be an excellent player within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. He's great supporting the run, can stop the short pass and can even bump a WR when given the opportunity. He's tough. However, against the team like the Eagles that prefers to play downfield instead of near the line, he was exposed for his lack of footspeed. If you thought you saw more of Antoine Cason late in the game, you did.
SG will be fine. He'll continue to be an improvement over Cason in the short-passing game and in run support, so he'll keep his job for now. However, against a team like the Cowboys you'll probably see more of Cason covering downfield. This is just a matter of the coaches coaching according to their personnel.
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I still think our defensive hands suck
Maybe not a dolt but clearly we had chances to swing the momentum 3-4 times and they were dropped.
I think that’s the case with most defenses. Outside of the rare Ed Reed type player, most defenders can’t catch.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 4:27 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Coop should have caught that ball...drive would have been over and no td.
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A grand read as per usual
I think you can make a case for Floyd getting a bolt as well – his and Nanee’s efficiency meant the quite game of Jackson didn’t matter that much.
Also, I wonder how much we missed Tucker. The kind of defense we were playing with kept the D on the field for quite awhile, so the reduction in rotations might have been an additional factor. Still hard to excuse the general lack of pressure for the OLB’s without talking about them being a bit beat-up from the week before…
The play-calling on those 3rd downs just seemed strange, but then you’ve also got to consider giving a bolt for the red-zone offense and play-calling. The red-zone offense has been excellent since LT returned.
Regarding LT, do you think Norv and the team has started making an adjustment to the type of back he’s going to have to be now. That is, stop trying to create the big outside run, and focus on creating more up-the-middle opportunities. It also sounds like Jackson might have been sacrificed a bit as a decoy this game to help get the running game back up – at least that’s the gist I’m reading into your comments.
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Regarding LT, do you think Norv and the team has started making an adjustment to the type of back he’s going to have to be now. That is, stop trying to create the big outside run, and focus on creating more up-the-middle opportunities.
Yup. They got tired of him running outside for -1 yards. However, they’re still calling a lot of runs between the tackle and guard (as opposed to between the center and guard) to keep him moving laterally. Speed or no speed, we want LT moving laterally.
It also sounds like Jackson might have been sacrificed a bit as a decoy this game to help get the running game back up – at least that’s the gist I’m reading into your comments.
I don’t agree with that per se. I don’t think VJ was or has ever been a decoy. I just think Asante Samuel is a really good CB. It’s more a matter of playing the matchups. The Eagles were down to 2 legitimate CBs (and only 1 for a little while), so the safeties needed to provide help downfield instead of stopping the run. That helped Tomlinson. It wasn’t so much the Chargers using Jackson as a decoy as much as the Eagles had to pick their poison and decided to let LT get some yards to stop the big play.
You’ll most likely see LT regress a little from this game to the Denver game. Their CBs are so good, and very experienced, so they don’t need the Safety help as much. Brian Dawkins will be free to roam around the stop the run.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 5:04 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the clarification
You’ll most likely see LT regress a little from this game to the Denver game. Their CBs are so good, and very experienced, so they don’t need the Safety help as much. Brian Dawkins will be free to roam around the stop the run.
The counter argument is that Denver really struggled against the run today (sounded like their D struggled against everything). And Hardwick might be back. Though I don’t think there was a decent run after Clary went out.
On Hardwick coming back (and I understand it’s no sure thing this week), someone like Holt or Spillman (?) is likely to be made inactive, which might weaken the ST a bit (and Royal got us twice last time)
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Michael Bennett
Most likely to be the new inactive next week, for the reasons you just stated. With Denver’s offense and defense struggling, the Chargers have to be sure not to give them those free points in the return game again.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
Redskins offense
The Redskins motioned FB Mike Sellers out of the backfield and to line up right next to the LT, and then ran off Left Tackle probably 15 times. No pulling or trapping, nothing cute, and they gashed the Broncos with it. If the Redskins line could do it I can’t see why the Chargers can’t do the same thing.
Because when it happens once, the Broncos start planning to make sure it doesnt happen again.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 7:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
D.J. Williams
He suffered an injury in that game and it seemed to me that the Washington run game started working better after that. He did come back in, but who knows how healthy he really was.
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by Wonko on Nov 16, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't be surprised if we can run on them.
Especially if the offensive line continues to block like they did yesterday.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
optomistic??????
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Nice read, John
Felt this was a good team effort. I agree with your Bolts/Dolts choices. Seemed to me that yesterday there was more overall cooperation & cohesion than in some games where a guy or two really take control.
Two things ….. Dielman seems to be getting his nasty back. Good sign.
I can’t believe that I’m saying this but I sure hope Clary isn’t hurt badly. Dombrowski will get killed against Dumervil.
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I couldn't agree more
Dielman played with a fire that’s been missing all season.
On a related topic, does anybody else think Dielman’s poor first-half was the result of him being out-of-shape? When I look at old pictures of him and compare them to my mental image of him from training camp……they’re significantly different. Most of this season actually, the first thing that catches my eye with Kris is his rather large gut. I don’t know that it wasn’t there last season or the season before, but it could explain a lot if he just didn’t work out as much in the offseason.
Also, Dombrowski vs. Dumervil actually isn’t that bad of a matchup. The Chargers would just have to keep Tolbert/Manumaleuna on the field to be the second blocker on Elvis. Which, if the Chargers are able to get any sort of running game going, isn’t a bad idea anyways. I think part of the issue with the first Denver game was that the team trusted Clary a little too much, having him take on Dumervil 1-on-1 for most of the game.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
Newer picture
Maybe it’s about the same. I don’t know. Hard to tell.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 6:41 AM PST up reply actions
Forgot to mention ...
I’ve been wearing my powder blue Jamal since the KC win, including the trip to see the Giants’ game. No washing until we lose.
Here’s to getting smellier every Sunday for a while!!!!!!
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by Buck Melanoma on Nov 16, 2009 6:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you
but I take I take it a bit further. I go through a whole combo of different Jersey, hats, jackets, and even Chargers’ boxers. I think I found it!
Keep it goin', Jonny...
… but do wash the boxers.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 16, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Keep Sproles in on 3rd and short
We should have handed off to Tolbert/Hester on those 3rd and 1’s. Sproles is just to effective a 3rd down back.
About LT's great game...
Anyone taking into consideration that his wife let him know right before the game she was prego? He announced it afterward that she left a gift wrapped pregnancy test hidden in his locker. I’m sure it was a very emotional game for him and outside motivation such as that definitely played role in his increased performance.
I’m ecstatic to see him have a great game and hope he can maintain this momentum of his.
Hopefully this provided him the shot he needed to get rolling!
I agree with all of these
I did notice that Shaun had 2 TFLs so at least he was good in the run game.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 16, 2009 8:27 AM PST reply actions
On the pass-rush
especially in the 2nd half, it seemed like SP and SM were giving up really quickly on their rushes. They’d get off the line, get stood up, and then just sort of stand there on the outside and jump around. I didn’t see a whole lot of fire from them.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 9:03 AM PST reply actions
Agreed
I was actually wondering aloud if the plan wasn’t to just keep McNabb in the pocket.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
We HAVE to go after Simms/Orton more next week.
They can’t burn us deep like the Eagles, and they aren’t mobile like McNabb. Absolutely HAVE to get pressure on them. That’s how the Ravens and Steelers beat them, and we have to do the same.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Simms/Orton are not the same caliber of deep-ball QB that McNabb is. I’m sure plenty of heat will be brought. I’m actually expecting a lot of blitzes (with Ellison) to pressure the QB and suffocate the running game.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I love how we're in McDaniels's head already.
We’ve got all the momentum. Have to win next week.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Loser next week is "boned" for all intensive purposes.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 16, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
I like to think Sam actually believes the phrase is “intensive purposes.”
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by Richard Wade on Nov 16, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Or I like to make fun of Maestro
One or the other.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 16, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
for ALWAYS thinking we're boned...he's never going to live that down
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That’s less fun for me.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 17, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
At this point, I think a loss to Denver won't kill us.
Denver has the tougher second half schedule, and even losing to Denver, we can end up with a better overall record to clinch the division. It’s a huge game, but being even now, I don’t think the winner will necessarily “clinch” the division.
Everyone went into these 3 games saying 2-3 was necessary. The Chargers have already gotten there, so I tend to agree that a loss to Denver isn’t the worst thing in the world.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
I think
their tackles are pretty good, but they just replaced one of their guards. DB blitzes bringing pressure up the middle might do well.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 16, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Clady is perhaps the best in the league.
Their right tackle got hurt a couple weeks ago, and I’m not sure if he’s playing.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t believe he is. Somebody at MHR brought up something I would’ve missed otherwise: If Simms plays, the RT is now protecting the QB’s blindisde.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Plus Simms sucks
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 16, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
True.
Though he will probably be a bit better next week with a few days to practice with the ones and get in a rhythm. We still have to be on our A-game. Their defense is going to be loaded for bear.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
love the short passes
i was wondering when they would get around to “shortening the field” for phillip. however i think phillies D not giving PR the deep ball had a bit to do with that. i’ve been firm believer with 2 WR, TE, and 2 Backs, they still have 5 WR on the field at all times.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
You know who's the most nervous right now outside of Denver?
Indianapolis.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions
lol
i was just thinking about as i watched the game last night. when they put up the division leaders. if we made the playoffs as a forth seed. we would half to play them in thier house…
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Second seed, baby!
Win two more games, and it’ll be 8-3 going into December. It’s not crazy to hope for a bye-round.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 16, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
But we won't see Indy until the Championship either way.
Do you trust Cincinnati in the playoffs?
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 16, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
And then
You start December against the Cleveland Browns.
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Yup.
Win this week, and we’re looking at 9-3. I know not to get ahead of ourselves (thankfully we aren’t the team), but there’s no way this team should not beat KC at home and Cleveland on the road.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Even if you aren't the team
You don’t want to set yourself up for disappointment. For emotional well being it is usually best that both the football team and the fans take it one game at a time.
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by Wonko on Nov 16, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
but we're fans!
we’re allowed to look ahead and over react. ask any pro player/coach, “we don’t know anything” anyway. lets’ look ahead to…13-3. WE’RE ON A ROLL BABY!!!
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That game against Cincy
could be for the 2nd seed.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
And it's here... in December.
To me, that’s a must-win for other reasons. I really hope that we win that game, then either Cincy gets the 3rd seed, or NE loses the wildcard, and we have a bye round. I have visions in my head about beating Cincy 27-7 in the playoffs in 70º weather (68º with windchill). And Dan Fouts announcing.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 16, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just want to win the division
and so if we face Pittsburgh, it’s at home. They’re really the only team that scares me in the playoffs right now.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Really?
I think Indy, the Patriots and Bengals all have great teams.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
You're right
and I don’t know what to make of the Bengals yet. I want to see how we play them in a few weeks.
The Patriots are always dangerous.
The Colts just never scare me.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
This is where I am.
What I’m saying is that I don’t know that this team can go to Pittsburgh and win: yeah yeah home field, but the real issue is making it happen against the Steel Curtain after a 2500-mile plane flight, which is significantly harder than beating the Pats’ merely very good defense on the road.
Any playoff team can beat anybody, so you have to be a little confident and a little nervous going into the playoffs, no matter who you’re up against. New England is as dangerous on the road as they are at home, unlike Pittsburgh. If the Steelers came here, it would just be another playoff game against a good team, like it would be at any other town.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 17, 2009 7:06 AM PST up reply actions
Yep. We would have to beat Cincy.
At home, in December.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 16, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
beautiful
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by Buck Melanoma on Nov 16, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Coaching not to lose?
I guess I understand Norv’s defensive scheme for the Eagles game, but I don’t like it very much. Rivers and co. play to win. Norv coaches not to lose. It got the W, but it was pretty discouraging when the McNabb marched down the field and scored easily late in the game. Thank God for Eagles’ penalties. Coaching not to lose might get you into the playoffs, but it also will probably get you out of them fairly quickly.
I don't see how you can be upset with that
Look at what the Eagles did to the Giants where they punished them with deep balls. It seems pretty wise to me that with a large lead like that you make sure that they don’t beat you deep and put your trust in you offense that they can hold the ball long enough that the other team can’t dink and dunk their way to a win.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
You fail to see that no matter what Norv Turner does he’s wrong.
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by Richard Wade on Nov 16, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
You're right
In fact, I’m willing to say that Norv outcoached the opposing team in the last 4 games. Although, I’m smart enough to say that it was mainly by default.
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Coughlin isn't a bad coach.
And Reid has his moments.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't say that either was a bad coach.
I’m just saying he outcoached them in those games.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
When you said "by default"
I thought you meant because the coaches on the opposing side were all terrible. And so I was just saying I didn’t think Coughlin or Reid were inherently bad.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
By default
I mean they all made dumb (or less-than-smart if I want to be more generous) decisions and Norv, while not making great decisions, didn’t shoot himself in the foot at all.
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None of those 3 are exactly lighting it up this year.
Can’t argue TOO much with Norv’s (offensive) play-calling against the Eagles. Still too many three-and-outs and too much inconsistency on offensive — on the WHOLE (over the course of the season).
Have we turned the corner with respect to those and red-zone offense?… We’ll see…. This team should be scoring no fewer than 27 point every game, and really in the 30’s…. Yes, hard to do if you have zero running game; but on a given day, if you do (have no running game), that’s why you use the pass to open up the run…. This Chargers passing game could be prolific.
I’ve said it before, but if the Chargers don’t employ the no-huddle a couple of times outside of the ends of halves against the Broncos, they will be missing a big opportunity: the Chargers are really good at it, because they really have the talent and get in rhythm, and the Steelers caused Denver fits with it…. Denver won’t have fixed it well enough (if they even could) to deal with the Bolts’ different personnel.
With respect to Coughlin and Reid, while both are actually pretty good coaches, they both helped the Chargers win their games, especially Coughlin on those two running plays after the holding call, leading to their last 3 points of the game. Playing not to lose will often lead to your losing.
Yes, the Chargers defense stiffened (and deserves some credit for that) — against both teams, but the Eagles lost the game (from their perspective) in the red zone, and good coaching HAS to help your team pick up 3rd and 1’s (and a 4th and 1 or two) in the red zone.
The same reason why we were rightfully pissed at Norv for blowing it earlier in the season with red-zone play-calling (the final play against Baltimore is the biggest example, but far from the only one) is why Eagle fans are and should be disgruntled with Reid in the aftermath of their loss to us.
So ultimately I agree with Wonko that Norv outcoached Coughlin and Reid — yes, with some good things, but also ultimately “by default.”
Turner still drives me insane
with running Sproles up the middle on short yardage.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I don't like him and...
… I don’t need an ironclad reason why. I’ve been a Chargers fan for long enough, OK? He just bothers me. Norvell is not going to win a Super Bowl, and I think that his coaching style won’t take us deep into the playoffs, particularly with his tame defensive schemes. Our only chance is Rivers super-competitiveness and tremendous skills.
I think Norv is a good coach for good teams.
But I see why he couldn’t get anything done with the Raiders, and why even a very good Norv team has little chance of going 14-2. But it’s hard to argue with playoffs and win %, and Norv has been successful. His teams need to find motivation somewhere else: that’s a legitimate knock. But on a team with Philip Rivers and Shawne Merriman, it’s not a major failing.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
If anything, I’m more annoyed with A.J.’s kneecapping of Merriman.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 16, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I think that his coaching style won’t take us deep into the playoffs
Umm, he already has. More than once. With significant injuries on both sides of the ball.
If you just want to bash Norv because you don’t have a reason and “he just bothers you” I’m sure the people at Sign On San Diego will be glad to agree with you.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 16, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I was going to say something similar
But he actually gave a couple reasons why he didn’t like Norv, so I didn’t feel like bickering with a comment that sort of contradicts itself.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
I'm kind of a dick I guess.
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 16, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
NLFN on their news ticker
is reporting that Orton WILL play next week.
So better unleash the hounds on him.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions
They have it up on NFL.com now too
Link. Not much info there. It basically just says:
NFL Network insider Michael Lombardi is reporting Denver Broncos QB Kyle Orton will play this week against the San Diego Chargers despite an injured left ankle.
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Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
I think it will be better if Orton plays.
That way, the donkeys don’t have an excuse when they get beat down. Did anyone see Simms yesterday? OH MY GOD! Ryan Lindley from SDSU throws better. His old man must be so proud. Go bolts! Spank the Donkeys!
Do we really care if the Donkeys have an excuse why they got a beatdown
Once we have given them their beatdown?
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by Wonko on Nov 16, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Broncos RT Ryan Harris
appears to still be out next week. That can’t be anything but helpful.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions
Apology to Norv great gameplan on offense, playing not to lose on D will catch up
I argued with John on Rex Ryan over Norv I’ll eat my words and say that Norv is doing a better job than Rex. Loved the short passing game, nice job on using the Wildcat it energized the team, can we use some bubble screen to make sure Vincent Jackson is in the game. Only real argument is short yardage running with Sproles, if LT is tired give it to either Hester or Tolbert.
On D I understood the WR’s for philly are fast and that they can’t run to save their lives, but the few times the chargers blitzed through the guards with Safeties it seemed to work, and getting philly in third and long is the key to success. This gameplan won’t work againt Indy or the Pats so please Ron scrap it.
Uh, Philly had a very good 4th quarter.
And they still lost. It’s really hard to get too down on a decision to go to prevent-defense when the game’s virtually over and you have the offense to protect a lead.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 16, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Good to see LT doing LT like things once again
Vincent Jackson had a disappointing game though. My fantasy team was relying on him
Gerald Wallace is the best player the Bobcats will have..... EVER
That’s like saying Luis Castillo had a disappointing game because they double-teamed him all game. That’s kindof the point.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 16, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm totally rooting for Cleveland tonight.
They’re no danger in the playoff hunt, and it’d be nice to keep Baltimore back a couple games in the wild card race.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 6:03 PM PST reply actions
That must have been frustatrating
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by Wonko on Nov 17, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Did anyone else notice?
Okay, that’s a dumb way to start this post. You guys are way too smart NOT to notice. So let me just say I really like the idea of using Kassim (and other TALL leapers like Floyd or Gates) to defend potential Hail Mary plays, as he was on the final play! I could never understand why they wouldn’t do that before!
On a (barely) related note, remember when the Chargers used to use Winslow to block (important) field goals? Why don’t they try that instead of the useless “linebacker push?” I know that leapers can’t LAND on a pile, but why can’t someone like Malcolm Floyd just jump straight up, like he’s blocking a volleyball spike? The kicks would probably clear his leap, but I’m willing to bet if they tried it, they’d get in the head of at least one kicker who might shank. File this under Things I Think About After a Win.
by Andy (allfield) on Nov 16, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions
i think they do
when its really important, i remember seeing marcus mcneil and vincent jackson trying to block some important field goals last year in the playoffs.
Okay, that’s a dumb way to start this post. You guys are way too smart NOT to notice. So let me just say I really like the idea of using Kassim (and other TALL leapers like Floyd or Gates) to defend potential Hail Mary plays, as he was on the final play! I could never understand why they wouldn’t do that before!
As per usual with today’s NFL, nobody had the guts to do it until Belichick pulled it off successfully with Randy Moss a couple of times.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 2:33 AM PST up reply actions
You mean
Randy “1 career interception” Moss!
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 17, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
I guess not
This year’s was his first, I thought he got one before but it must have just been a hail mary where he helped out a little.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Agree with your thoughts
However I thought that the Eagles were a little to close to the endzone to put in Kassim for Hail Mary defense.
Your thoughts on Floyd seem valid to me as well, you would think he would get lucky and block one each season.
On an unrelated note: When there are only a few seconds left in the half, or game, and a team decides to “squib kick” (something I hate) for the purpose of not letting the other team return the kick off for a td. Why not instead of using the kicker using an actual player. I have to believe that there is somebody else on the roster who could accomplish a squib kick, and I would take somebody like Ellison over Kaeding trying to prevent the kick return.
Hey, I like that idea. Although, since one of the other key elements of a squib is to make time elapse, I guess the concern is that a non-kicker might shank it out of bounds. And gaining the extra tackler you get from a non-kicker is usually a moot point since the play is generally over fairly quickly (since the receiving team is trying to SAVE seconds).
But I like you’re thinking, JB! Always appreciate those who want to take an excursion outside the box.
by Andy (allfield) on Nov 17, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
More effective than a "squib" kick?
I’ve never understood why kickers can’t learn to effectively kick the ball high and short. I don’t mean to the 15 yard-line; I mean to about the 30 or the 35…. The opposing team, if they’re smart, will fair catch it — which guarantees no big return. Squib kicks almost always get out to the 35 (at least), and sometimes get broken for bigger yardage. If a kicker can execute the way I’ve tried to explain, there would be almost ZERO chance for a big return….
Not only that, if the receiving team’s player that tried to catch the ball DOESN’T call for a fair catch, with good kick coverage, he might get absolutely pummeled and have a chance of fumbling….
And while I’m on this subject, if one needs an onside kick (some people call it an “onsides” kick), the other team puts 8-10 guys up on the front line around mid-field or actually between the kicking team’s 40 and 45-yard line…. I’ve never understood why the kicking team’s kicker doesn’t pop the ball up in the air over these guys to about the 45 yard-line of the receiving team and try to run under it and let the mayhem begin…. Seems it would be more unpredictable than the traditional way to try this and that it would stand a better chance of succeeding, especially because it would take the other team by surprise….
Can kickers just not get the ball to do that?! If it didn’t work off the tee, someone could hold the ball…. I sure used to be able to do that as a kid — maybe your kicker has got to have a really weak leg to pull it off…. ;)
I can't but think...
…that the old “pop up” has been tried, and someone somewhere determined that the classic version of the onside kick would work better.
Most kickers who do the old pooch kick-off kick it too far for any of their team to get to it in time. But I do like the idea of leaning the ball way back on the tee — even to the point of having someone hold it — so the kicker can pop it up higher and shorter. Heck, maybe they can kick a ten yard pop up! Then you’d REALLY see mayhem ensue.
by Andy (allfield) on Nov 18, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
like the two Shawns....
they are practicing thier future carrers, as magicians. they seemed to be very good at disappearing against Philly. i’d say they all have bright futures after football.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Would you like him as a Bolt or a Dolt?
The Eagles spent the entire game throwing at the LBs and not the CBs. That’s really why I stressed that Jammer was there for his tackling. Outside of catching a hail-mary, Cromartie didn’t really seen the ball thrown at him because of the defensive scheme and because the safeties were doubling Maclin and Jackson all day.
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by John Gennaro on Nov 17, 2009 2:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yeesh
What a snoozer on ESPN tonight. 0-0 at the half and barely 200 yards of offense for both teams COMBINED.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 16, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions

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