San Diego Chargers Half-Season Awards
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 PM PST
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When the Chargers schedule initially came out, I remember looking at it and thinking to myself, "I'll take 5-3 at the halfway point." Well, the Bolts are there and the only difference in the situation is that they're looking up at the Broncos. Still, if the season were to end today the Chargers would be in the playoffs.
It has been a rocky first-half though. The team has lost one of it's defensive captains, replaced the starting SS and benched the future starting CB (probably). Also, Brandon Siler started a couple of games and wasn't as bad as everyone feared. All in all, a good 8 games. However, some myself remains......like who won the prestigious BFTB Half-Season Awards?
Chargers' Coach of the Half-Season
Norv Turner
I remember watching a video clip of Norv giving an interview earlier in the season. I believe it was after the Pittsburgh loss. He was being questioned about his job, and his response was something along the lines of "I don't really care what people think." I remember thinking that it was just a cliche line, but I'm starting to think it's true. Norv never seems to be rattled by the constant criticism of the fans and media. Isn't that who you'd want coaching your team?
Turner has done a great job of keeping control of the locker room during a rough patch of games, and they're growing together now (as evident by his hug with LT). He deserves praise for that. He also deserves praise for making the calls for a top 10 offense without a semblance of a rushing threat.
Is Norv ever going to coach a 14-2 mistake-free team that eventually wins the Super Bowl? Who knows? Not many coaches can. However, with each passing year I'm confident that this team will always be competitive with him at the helm. His steadiness is a big reason why.
Chargers' Offensive Player of the Half-Season
He has been ridiculously good. His playoff games in the 2007 season cannot even compare to the games he's put up every week of this season.
VJ's numbers are incredibly consistent when you compare his stats by quarters, by halves or even by down. 88% of his catches have been for first down! He leads the team in receiving TDs with 7. The next highest player has 2.
In 2009, Vincent Jackson has been every bit as important to the offense as Philip Rivers. If he isn't with the Chargers in 2010, it will be the shock of the century.
Chargers' Defensive Player of the Half-Season
Things I just realized in the last 30 seconds....
- Eric Weddle looks a lot like my wife's ex-boyfriend from high school. They're practically twins.
- Eric Weddle is exactly 2 weeks older than me.
Anyways, back to the award. Eric Weddle has been ridiculous this season. Talk about fitting out a stat sheet...
Every box has a number in it! On top of those stats, he also is second on the team with 4 defended passes. He's been solid against the run and the pass, and has even found some time to lay a handful of big hits on receivers coming over the middle.
Much like Shaun Phillips has been better with the recent re-emergence of Shawne Merriman, Weddle has been even better with Kevin Ellison/Paul Oliver playing next to him since Clinton Hart was waived.
Chargers' Rookie of the Half-Season
Here's my argument for Ellison over Louis Vasquez and Larry English. Vasquez almost won the starting job by default due to Kynan Forney's neck injury in camp, and English has yet to make a big splash in any game. Ellison was a 6th round pick and 3rd on the depth chart at the beginning of the season, and is now starting and playing on 90% of the snaps. That not only shows the talent he possesses, but it shows that he didn't give up and continued to fight in practice for the spot even after it looked like he wouldn't get a shot this season.
By the way, anybody else realize that Jackson, Weddle and Ellison all have birthdays within 10 days of each other? Random.....
Chargers' Comeback Player of the Half-Season
It's funny how confused he looks in that picture. Anyways, I'm not even going to bother posting his stats because they don't matter. He's on pace for a Jamal Williams-type season, where the stats don't show up because the offense he's facing is too busy double and triple-teaming him.
He's been a beast this season and has earned his big contract. The key has been his health. For the second consecutive year, he's managed to stay on the field. The difference this year is that he's practicing and generally seems to be avoiding his usual nagging injury. This is the player we all fell in love with in 2006 and 2007.
Chargers' MVP of the Half-Season
Was there ever any doubt? Similar to Luis, Philip may be having his best season yet but you wouldn't know it by looking at the stat sheet. Without a rushing attack to speak of, an offensive line to block for him or a defense for the first quarter of the season, Rivers managed to keep himself healthy and dangerous.
His game-winning drives against the Raiders and the Giants speak for themselves. What has impressed me the most has been his ability to avoid mistakes while avoiding pass-rushers on seemingly ever play.
With his strong play, Rivers has solidified his spot as a top 10 QB in the league and has even made some fans in the fanbases of opposing teams. Now it's the Chargers' job to give him the support he needs to finally get that Super Bowl ring that both Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning have gotten.
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Enjoyed the read
and agreed with most of your choices. I am not as high on Weddle and Ellison as you (or most others are) but you made good arguments for selecting both.
by JeromeB on Nov 10, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just curious
Who would you have selected? I think Weddle’s been consistent all year.
Chargers = Aztecs
We have proof.
by Dude52089 on Nov 10, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Merriman of Phillips would’ve been the choice if either of them had been doing it for at least half of the games.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Phillips has been solid
all season; but I would have given it to Jammer in a heartbeat.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 10, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
Interesting. Jammer has been great, I just think Weddle has been the only thing keeping the defense from giving up huge plays constantly.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jammer
I think that he has had one of his better years, even though there was no pass rush at all for half of the games this season.
by JeromeB on Nov 10, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya i can see both
Jammer and Weddle have really have been the only two consistent players.
Chargers = Aztecs
We have proof.
by Dude52089 on Nov 10, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My coach of the half-year is RR
No Jamal Williams? The 2 guys behind him are also hurt? Give me 3 weeks, I’ll have an answer. I think AJ can share the credit, but the bye-week adjustment to the DL will win this team more than one game.
My rookie could be OG, but I think Ellison is a fine choice. I think you’re right about Weddle. He’s half the answer to the safety question. I’m not convinced AJ did the right thing giving up all those picks for a fullback, but when he did it with a safety the year before he got a good value. We could have picked that kid in the 1st and we’d still feel ok about it.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 10, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Jammer instead of Weddle would have been ok too. Judgment call.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 10, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with everything you said. Norv just barely got the nod ahead of Rivera, and here’s my reason for that. Rivera’s defense has been dramatically different when playing from ahead vs. playing from behind. Norv’s offense, and his control of the team, has been much steadier.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wonder who you think the special teams player of the season is?
by nicklusk on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t include it because I couldn’t pick one. They’re all really even. Kaeding and Scifres have been good but not great. Sproles has been really good in some games and pretty bad in others.
Honestly? I probably would’ve gone with Tolbert, but I wouldn’t have liked it.
I promise there will be one at the end of the season. Scifres will get healthy and win it in a landslide, I’m sure.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldn't you have liked Tolbert as the ST award winner?
Just wondering – he had a bad penalty in NY that negated an excellent kick by Scifres, but he’s made a LOT of ST tackles.
Is this Osgood homerism getting the best of you? haha
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by Buck Melanoma on Nov 10, 2009 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because I think he’s a better FB than he is a special teamer. I also cringe at the idea of him being more valuable than Scifres or Kaeding this season, especially with the poor coverage by the team on kick returns.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hester
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two ST TDs....I'd say its a pretty easy pick.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Good call
He also made that game saving tackle at the four yard line on Rivers pick; not technically ST, but still.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 10, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I always miss something. This time it was Hester. He’s the special teamer of the Half-Season.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Hester’s a pretty obvious pick.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree completely
seriously wouldnt change one person..
by cameronm on Nov 10, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Capricorn bias
"There's a gleam, men! There's a gleam! Let's get that gleam!" - Marty Schottenheimer, never got his gleam.
by OPIAQ on Nov 10, 2009 1:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You're two weeks younger than Weddle?
Apparently I’m older than both of you.
And that’s startling, because everyone tells me how young I am at my law school. I’m younger than a lot of 1Ls.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 10, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm almost 6 months younger than Weddle
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow see? I'm only 6 months older than you then.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 10, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BFTB readers/writers blossom at a young age.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All you youngn's sitting at the kiddie table for Thanksgiving?
Or is this the year you get to sit with the adults?
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Nov 10, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tease me about my age, and I'll beat you with my cane.
OK, I’m not THAT old. Older than Jamal, younger than Binn.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 10, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone’s younger than Binn.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 11, 2009 2:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how old is everyone?
i thought i was really young, but apparently older than some of the writers here at BFTB
I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies
and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these
mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery
Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me
Battle-scarred shogun, explosion when my pen hits
tremendous, ultra-violet shine blind forensics
by tonik on Nov 10, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m 24. I think Richard, Sam and Steve (Grey Suit) are all around the same age.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
24.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
24
turning 25 in December.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 10, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you guys are young
I better start making funeral arrangements.
by JeromeB on Nov 10, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i hear that!
so, at 52, im one of the very few to actually witness air Coryell in all its glory?
by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Nov 11, 2009 3:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw 'em
I clock in at 46. Miami – Chargers 1982, best game ever played.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 11, 2009 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
46 as well
went to every home game from 72 to 82.
by JeromeB on Nov 11, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
The halcyon years. Well from 78 anyway.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 11, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a lot younger than that...
… but I remember sitting on the living room floor in my pajamas (with feet, no less) as a small child, watching the Freezerbowl with tears in my eyes.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 11, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was -3 years old.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 11, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was -2 months
Suffice it to say, my view was blocked by something.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Nov 11, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm 25.
looks like the BTFB staff is doing a good job with bringing in the history of the chargers. i had most of you guys pegged for 30+ with the knowledge u guys have.
keep up the good work kids. =)
I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies
and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these
mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery
Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me
Battle-scarred shogun, explosion when my pen hits
tremendous, ultra-violet shine blind forensics
by tonik on Nov 10, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boy
Im beginning to feel old at the ripe age of 32.
by GABOLT on Nov 10, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Children!
My sons are almost as old as the BTFB staff!
"Live to love and love to live"!
by Desyrel on Nov 10, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can they write weekly posts?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 11, 2009 2:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are not into team sports.
And I doubt they would be as entertaining!
"Live to love and love to live"!
by Desyrel on Nov 11, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
28 and about to be 29 next month,turning 30 next year....I'm practically in the grave now I guess.
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by Gorditoe1 on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So far it looks like im the youngest
20 turning 21 in 6 months
Chargers = Aztecs
We have proof.
by Dude52089 on Nov 11, 2009 6:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
Strangely enough, the topic of age has come up at Bleeding Green Nation (Eagles community) at the same time and a lot of guys there are coming in at 16-19. I bet we have a few here as well.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 11, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
John you bastard
Look what you started! Worse than charitable contribution requests!
by SJO on Nov 11, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dolts of the half-season. Feel free to add your own.
Coach: Ron Rivera (changing quickly though)
Offensive Player: Chris Chambers
Defensive Player: Stephen Cooper
Special Teams Player: Kassim Osgood
Rookie: Vaughn Martin
LVP: LT
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Although he played in only half the games, the defensive Dolt would have to go to Hart.
Also, I think it’s hard to label Osgood as a Dolt. He’s been pretty good. If anything, Cromartie is the special teams Dolt.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to put Hart but I didn't want to add insult to injury and he only played half the games
Kassim only because he’s been basically invisible.
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He made a smart play against the Giants, it was just called back.
Osgood gets double-teamed every time he’s out there.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is tough to label Martin as a Dolt...
Did any of us expect production from him this year? No.
We knew he would be a project to begin with, and would a few years to look refined and productive.
However, I do understand that selecting a rookie Dolt would be difficult to do…Not too many possible choices
Defense, Im talking to you! You want to kill this Osweiler fella...Come on defense, FOCUS god dammit!
I respect you Juju, you and your gorgeous brilliance
by CaDuck on Nov 10, 2009 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you can call someone a dolt for not getting on the field, Hughes wins.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 10, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think you can blame an injury on the player,
Would it be right to call Demetrius Byrd a Dolt? Aww Hell no!
Defense, Im talking to you! You want to kill this Osweiler fella...Come on defense, FOCUS god dammit!
I respect you Juju, you and your gorgeous brilliance
by CaDuck on Nov 10, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst draft pick ever. A.J. Smith is the devil.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I still like Cooper; 66 Tackles is good for 11th in the NFL and two forced fumbles to boot.
"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman
by Brian (DaBolts) on Nov 10, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He also leads the team in Stops.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your choice of Chambers, but Cooper has actually been pretty good. Same goes for Osgood, actually. My defensive dolt would have been Hart and on Special Teams it’s definitely Cromartie.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said I knew anything about football
Mountain West Connection ::Above the Rest::
Bolts From The Blue "There’s a gleam men. Let’s go get the gleam! Focus and Finish!!! One play at a time!!! Let's Go!!!"
Representing the San Diego State University Aztecs, home of the 2009 College Cheerleading National Champions in the all women's division.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that makes me feel a little better.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only with you on Chambers and LT
No fair giving dolt-of-the-year to a rookie, even in a rookie category. There’s no way to do it and be a good fan. Not with you on Kassim or sure about ST dolt. Defensive dolt is Hart: that’s why they cut him. The coaching dolt of the year isn’t Rivera in my book: I think if you’re going to give a bolt to Norv the strategist, you have to give a dolt to Norv the Training Camp Coordinator. They need to find a way to get this team playing right from the get-go.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 10, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Training Camp
I’m starting to believe that part of the reason we do so well late in the season is because the team isn’t as worn down as those that run a more strenuous camp.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 11, 2009 2:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Easterbrook
just posted on his TMQ column this week a theory about why the Broncos always start strong and then fade as the season progresses.
He posits that because they, like endurance athletes, train in the thin air during the summer and early fall, they start off the season in much better condition than the rest of the league. Then, as the season progresses the advantage fades as they train and practice less strenuously.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Nov 11, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that picture of Castillo
I guess he does look confused now that you described it that way
But the picure jumped out at me as I scrolled down the page and my first thought was that he looks like he’s about to snatch the camera up and beat the photographer with it
Insert advanced emoticon here >:-)
by theGEN3RAL on Nov 10, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
second half should be better for the defense
grammer geeks you make me sick
by angryandy on Nov 11, 2009 7:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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