If I Were the San Diego Chargers' GM: Q1 Review
My greatest love, as it pertains to football, is personnel. Even during an entertaining, late season game my brain can't help from scouting the players on my screen and thinking about improvements that need to be made to the roster. Even in the very early stages of an unpredictable season, I love nothing more than to throw my GM hat on and pretend I'm A.J. Smith.
I have two dream jobs. Well, three I guess. Number one would be playing Quarterback in the NFL. However, I'm about 4 inches shorter than Drew Brees and 9 inches shorter than Philip Rivers, so that might be hard. I will admit that I've always been an accurate passer in my backyard and even won my wife a stuffed duck on one of those boardwalk games where you have to hit the target inside of the swinging tire. Still, that one ain't happening.
My second dream job would be as GM in the NFL. This is the reason I look through stats endlessly and the reason I've read Ernie Accorsi's book twice already. If I could one day be the GM of any NFL team, I think I'd skip everywhere instead of walking. Also, I'd do it for free.
My third dream job I'm practically doing. It would be to write about the San Diego Chargers. To share my passion and contribute words to the world that are appreciated, even if it's by a small group of people.
So while writing about it, I'm going to be doing quarterly looks ahead to see the potential holes in the roster in 2010 and to tel you what I would do if I were Mr. Smith. My first attempt at this is after the jump.
Free Agents
Team FAs
Since I don't want to write this post two different ways every time I do it, let's go off the assumption that there will be a new CBA in place by time free agency rolls around. Here's who the Chargers are at risk of losing:
- Charlie Whitehurst
- Darren Sproles
- Chris Chambers
- Vincent Jackson
- Kassim Osgood
- Brandon Manumaleuna
- Marcus McNeill
- Tim Dobbins
- Shawne Merriman
Who to Keep
- Vincent Jackson
- Brandon Manumaleuna
- Marcus McNeill
- Tim Dobbins
Look, the WR situation is not as bad as it might seem. Where will we find the money to pay VJ? Simple. We'll give him Chambers' money. Chris is one of the top 20 WRs in the league in terms of base salary. Moving that money over to Jackson, plus VJ's current salary and a little extra, should be enough to keep this dynamic WR in San Diego for another 5 years as least. That's a move that I would do as GM.
Manumaleuna can be kept because he'd probably be cheap. He's an effective blocking TE who can fill in at OT or FB in a pinch. Unless somebody else falls in love with Dobbins, I'd keep him around for run support, depth and his special teams prowess. McNeill is kept because he's an adequate LT that has tremendous potential. It's really hard to find a good LT these days and even harder to try to play without one.
Merriman can go because his price tag is too high. The team cannot afford to be paying starter's money to 3 OLBs. Also, the Chargers could do worse than having Antwan Applewhite and Jyles Tucker as the backups. I'd like to keep Osgood, but don't see him staying. Somebody that likes tall receivers (Bengals?) will give him a chance to catch balls and he'll be gone. Chambers, Sproles and Whitehurst will all cost much more than they're worth on the free agent market.
It would probably cause too many issues to slap the franchise tag onto Merriman. He wouldn't want to play on the one-year deal, he'll feel he's getting underpaid, etc. etc. I'd personally go without a franchised player in 2010.
Roster Holes
The 2009 offseason was the first in a few years where there was legitimate holes on the roster. As of right now, I don't know that the team did a very good job of filling all of those holes. In 2010, those same weaknesses exist along with new ones.
Running Back - The bad news is that LT can't take the beating of a starting RB in the NFL anymore. The good news is that his restructured contract makes him cheap enough that he could be the second option in the ground game without killing the cap.
Trying to buy a running back as a free agent is absurd, unless you find a diamond in the rough (like Priest Holmes). It's even harder when there's only a couple of decent free agents RBs. After this season, the only RBs that might become free agents (they could still sign a contract with their current team) that have any starting experience are LenDale White, Pierre Thomas, Chester Taylor, Willie Parker and Le'Ron McClain. Jerious Norwood is an intriguing name, although he hasn't started much at all since being drafted. I don't think any of these guys are worth the money that they're going to get, so I point my eyes towards the draft.
I think it is absolutely, 100% necessary to use the Chargers 2010 first round draft pick on a running back that can start immediately. Unfortunately, this draft class currently looks thin at RB. Perhaps it's just too early. Even so, I have my eye on Clemson's C.J. Spiller and from the looks of it he might want the chance to apprentice under Tomlinson.
Strong Safety - From what I've seen, Kevin Ellison is not the answer at Strong Safety. He's the Brandon Siler of that position. He's a strong, big hitter than is good against the run but will get burned if he has to cover anybody downfield. I don't think Clinton Hart or Steve Gregory are good enough that I feel secure in having either of them as my starting SS in 2010.
I'm very intrigued with C.J. Spillman as an option here. He was very fast and hit really hard during the preseason. He reminded me of Melvin Bullitt, who I am a big fan of. I'm hopeful that the only reason he's listed as a FS and saw time their in the preseason is because the team liked what they saw from both him and Ellison and did not want them competing for the third SS job. If I was A.J. Smith, I have a meeting with Norv Turner and Ron Rivera and ask them point blank of Spillman is a viable option to start at SS before I make any other moves.
Let's assume they say no. "There's nobody on the roster we're excited about starting at SS." Well, let's see what else is out there. The aforementioned Melvin Bullitt (RFA) is part of a strong class of free agent Strong Safeties that also includes Atari Bigby, Abram Elam, Dawan Landry and Brodney Pool. These guys may cost more than trying to find a decent SS through the draft, but with more important needs to fill with rookies I think the Free Agent route would be the one to take. Any of those 5 guys mentioned, with the possible exception of Brodney Pool, would be a great improvement over Hart and Gregory.
Defensive Tackle - I originally thought this position was a HUGE need, but it may not be by the end of this season. If Ogemdi Nwagbuo and Vaughn Martin both show improvement during the season, to the point where they could both be competent starters on the defensive line, then the Chargers have incredible depth in 2010. That would leave them with 5 legitimate starters (Nwagbuo, Martin, Luis Castillo, Jamal Williams, Jacques Cesaire) and no need for anyone beyond that besides maybe Ryon Bingham.
If neither of them pan-out, the Chargers will continue to look for a young replacement for Jamal Williams. There are plenty of good DTs in the 2009 draft class, including 365 lb. Terrence Cody, so that would be the way to go there. As for right now, Shaun Rogers would be someone that I would inquire about but it would cause problems for the future of the defensive line. Rogers is signed for 5 seasons after 2009, and considering the Chargers would have to give up at least a first round draft pick to get him they would not be eager to dump him once Jamal Williams came back or one of the young kids started to show promise. That means they would have to give up on J-Will, OG and/or Martin and I don't think they're ready to do any of that. If I'm A.J. Smith, I'd like to stand pat and see how the young kids play for the rest of the season. However, the idea of Rogers pushing the line around with Nwagbuo subbing in and Martin playing backup DE seems like one I'd have to jump on if the price was right.
Center - This one kindof kills me. After talking with him at training camp, I can say that Nick Hardwick is one of the nicest people I've ever met. Not one of the nicest Chargers or nicest football players, nicest people. I also think he's a fantastic Center when he's able to stay healthy. I just think the Chargers need a better backup plan for when he gets injured.
Tyronne Green brought some hope. He was a very good OG at Auburn, and they hoped to turn him into the backup Center. Considering he's the 3rd Center and probably the 5th Guard, it's safe to say this pick has yet to pan out. If he shows something before next season, great. He can be a solid Center and nobody else is needed. If he shows nothing, he needs to be cut and a legitimate Center needs to be drafted. It's damn near impossible to find a decent Center as a free agent because of how valuable they are to each team's offensive line.
Summary
It's obviously not a full plan, but there's direction there. Sign Vincent Jackson to the contract he's worth. Scout every college RB in the country. Aggressively pursue the free agent Strong Safeties. Make a decision to trade for a NT or put your confidence in Nwagbuo and Martin for the future. Find a real Center to backup Hardwick. The rest will fall into place as the season goes along, and I hope some of these weaknesses turn into strengths. Right now, that's what I would focus on if I were the General Manager of the San Diego Chargers.
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Step 1
Hire Kevin Towers.
A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 7, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
I really hope ur kidding. If Kevin Towers were the chargers GM, every single good player on the team would be let go. Anyone remember what happened after the 98 season? Don’t even kid about that.
by Sproles! on Oct 7, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’d be replaced by no-name players that played great just long enough to Towers to trade them for even better players. It’d be fantastic.
Towers for Chargers GM.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?The Pads have that sissy luck.
I love em don’t get me wrong(who else am i gonna root for the RedSox),but how can an organization like that get a super badass stadium like Petco and the Chargers are scoffed at by the city when mentioning one?Seems lopsided to me.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guess what?
Sproles is gone after this season. Suck on that!
A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 7, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you he stays.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, SBNation is acting really strange
It’s not unmarking comments as new once I’ve already read them!
A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 7, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is true
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT!
A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 7, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re working on it.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 7, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to wait 2 hours to sign on.WTF????
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about USC's Taylor Mays?
I’m biased here b/c USC is my alma mater, but he’s a senior this year and he’s a really talented safety.
by MarioV on Oct 7, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish
We are really going to have this season go down the toilet to get a shot at him. If we want Taylor Mays were are going to have to lose some games to the Broncos, Chiefs and Raiders.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only is he going to be a top 5 pick, meaning he’ll go to Oakland, Cleveland, Kansas City, St. Louis or (random 5th worse team. The Patriots probably have their pick.), but RB is a much bigger need.
Do you not like the FA options?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never like the FA options
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by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
SS is a good spot to fill in FA, actually.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 7, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right though,Patriots will probably get that pick and scoop him up.
What is it with teams getting hustled by the Pats?
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I KNOW HUH
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Joe Mcknight at rb?
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think a RB must be taken with a 1st?
Very capable backs can be had in rounds 2-3, guys like Matt Forte, Shonn Greene, Jone-Drew, Glenn Coffee, etc. I don’t see a big drop off with RBs in the early rounds. Especially considering we are a pass-first team, what good is a HOF RB with 10 carries per game?
by SJO on Oct 7, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank goodness it'll be an option this year
Not having a second round pick is painful.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
i agree
but, if you can’t run block, he’s going to have the same problems LT has. running into a 300+pound brickwall. repeatedly.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
by gatesoftds on Oct 7, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah he'd probably go with a runningback since he risks losing sproles
or a Corner back
by BFTB_zach on Oct 7, 2009 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why draft a corner? The “big 3” are in tact at least through 2010 and Brandon Hughes showed potential in the preseason.
I really, really doubt Sproles comes back. I’m not even sure LT will be back.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it was a joke?
I don’t care if we suddenly have a glaring hole at CB. We shouldn’t have a CB in the first round until 2020.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
JK
I’d rather go with a RT becuz I don’t like the fact we have a sixth rounder there
by BFTB_zach on Oct 7, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Perhaps we should get a LG or TE because Dielman and Gates went undrafted.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
it looks like the thumbs up is being questioned.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The subject of my comment was a question mark. The thumb went next to the subject. So you see the thumb and it’s immediately followed by a question mark.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pass that stuff over here, man. Just don’t let my boss see.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 7, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lil sarcasm hmm...relax AJ he's not trying to undermine you...lol
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already know about that
I don’t really like what I see from the O-line
by BFTB_zach on Oct 7, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Chargers keep Rivera as the DC
and let Merriman go in FA wouldn’t it make more sense to go to a 4-3 next year? Without a dynamic rush OLB and a huge athletic NT the 3-4 is just not effective (as we have seen the past 2 years). I know the NFL is a copy cat league but lets face it the Chargers do not have the personnel to run the 3-4 anymore. Move Castillo inside and have him rotate with Martian and Nwagbuo, then move English, Phillips and Applewhite to DE. Burrnett and Cooper can play OLB with Dobbins and Siler switching off at MLB. Then the only hole the D would have to fill would be SS (or FS if they want to move Weddle to SS) instead of trying to restock 2 of the hardest positions to fill in the 3-4 with a coach that is not all that experienced with it.
Also I think the Chargers are going to have to trade up in the draft this year to either get Mays or Best they have to find a high impact in one of those 2 spots if they want to keep their superbowl window open.
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, there are plenty of free agent options at SS.
I tihnk English, Phillips and Applewhite are undersized at DE. That’s why it makes more sense for them to play as 3-4 OLBs. I highly doubt they’ll switch to the 4-3 for that reason, and because the idea of Dobbins or Siler being on the field for every play is terrifying.
4-3s only work if you have a dominating line (see the Vikings and Giants). It would take at least 3-4 years to build the line into that and during that time the defense would be a mess.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we went through this in the offseason
Phillips’ size is comparable to many starting NFL DEs.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
I still don’t trust Applewhite or English as a starting DE.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not....
Keep Merriman as a DE and have the front line look like this….
Merriman-OG-Jamal-Luis..with Martin and Cesaire and Binghom as backups,then….
Philips-Coop-and English behind,with Dobbins, Tucker, Applewhite and Siler as backups.
The 4-3 might work like that no? Just a thought,that could be a monster line.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
-That Jacques Cesaire falls under the category of “legitimate starter” anymore. He is injury prone and can’t seem to make the minimal plays he used to make in his pre-Castillo starting days.
-That we don’t already have a capable backup for Hardwick in Mruczkowski.
Obviously, I’m in favor of bringing in new 3rd string QB as well, but that’s not exactly a big change in plans.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fine, but Cesaire’s at least a legitimate backup. If Martin and Nwagbuo are good enough to start in 2010, with Williams coming back and Castillo still around, I’ll take that.
Mooch is the swingman. If you like him as a Center, draft a Guard. If you prefer him as a Guard, draft a Center. I don’t like the idea of him being the only capable backup lineman for 3 different spots.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that QB idea.
Can we get a runner, just for the hell of it? Like DJ Shockley, Jared Zabransky, Troy Smith?
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 7, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking they might draft a runner for the hell of it. They won’t sign one (like Smith) because it’ll cost too much and the guy will expect to at least be #2 on the depth chart.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see...
Dan LeFevour (Central Mich.) and Saint Tim Tebow are both pretty mobile, but project as first-rounders, so they’re out. Ditto for Colt McCoy.
Just looking at a few college QBs, I can’t see a real possiblity among them…
Keith Nichol of Michigan State is considered to have good wheels, but a weak arm.
Juice Williams (Illinois) is having an awful year but still might get some looks for his mobility.
Zac Robinson (OK State) is fast but will probably go early.
Also, if we let Osgood walk (which is probable) can we get a look at Ali Villanueva, the 6’10" OT/WR out of Army?
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 7, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure where you are getting those projections
I’m looking at some I trust and right now LeFevour is more of a 4-6th rounder (even among seniors I’ve only seen him as high as the 5th best QB) and Tebow is a 2nd-3rd rounder. The top QB prospects seem to be:
Bradford
McCoy
Locker
Clausen
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 9, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, Billy Volek is 32 and not getting younger...
A guy like Dixon or even Zabransky could probably contend for the #2 spot all on his lonesome.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 7, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bet is
that they will sign o’connell
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Oct 7, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many years under contract does O'Connell have for Detroit?
I hate knee injuries.
The masses have spoken, Kevin Prince it is!
by CaDuck on Oct 7, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's with the Jets now
but H’s the 4th String QB so I think he is only around until they play the Pats again.
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Oct 7, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, Was not aware that Detroit let him go...
I hate knee injuries.
The masses have spoken, Kevin Prince it is!
by CaDuck on Oct 7, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you not forgetting someone?
NAMED DENNIS FREAKING DIXON??? There is the best dual threat QB out there
I hate knee injuries.
The masses have spoken, Kevin Prince it is!
by CaDuck on Oct 7, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Dixon coming out of college. He and Stewart turned me into an Oregon fan.
That said, I don’t know if signing him will be cost-effective, or even if he’ll be a free agent this season.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 7, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, understandable...
I believe that Dixon’s rookie contract expires in two/perhaps three years, I say we pick him up then. He would not be too expensive.
Now if we could only get our hands on J-STEW, We would dominate!!! I’m not even sure what I would do if we signed him…probably tears of joy!!!
I hate knee injuries.
The masses have spoken, Kevin Prince it is!
by CaDuck on Oct 7, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, to reunite Dixon and Stewart in San Diego would be magic.
I remember being insanely pissed that he flew up the draft boards because before the combine he was firmly in reach of the Chargers.
I also think it caused AJ to temporarily lose his mind and that is why we traded such a large amount for Jacob Hester.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 7, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we re-united the two mythical powers on one team...
Ancient astronomers claim we would go 19-0 every season
I hate knee injuries.
The masses have spoken, Kevin Prince it is!
by CaDuck on Oct 7, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also at the end of this season
barring a AFC championship game appearance, do you think the Chargers shake the bushes a bit to see if there is any interest from Cower, Holmgren, Dungy or Shanahan?
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Oct 7, 2009 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the locker room. If they don’t make it to the AFC Championship game, I think you’ll start to hear some whispers of dissent. Once that happens, they’ll maybe take a look at some of the tougher, non-“players’ coaches” like Cowher or Holmgren.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF that happens and we need a new coach
which I don’t think is likely, I’d rather get someone new. No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with more than one team.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 7, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coordinators not always worthy of another lead gig
Interesting article on this topic exactly by Michael Silver.
If SD’s going to make a coaching change, it will have to be a tougher leader than what we have.
by slimsocal678 on Oct 7, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I read that,it was talking about Williams from NO and Nolan fron Denver.Good article I thought it was right on the money.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pattern typically goes offense-defense-offense. If you fire a defensive coach (Marty), you hire an offensive coach (Norv) and visa versa. Pick a tough 3-4 coordinator from around the league and that’s your guy.
It’d be funny if Mike Nolan was coaching the Chargers next year. Well, sad…..but ironic.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
VERY SAD...but Singletary looks kinda good though.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Guys
I have a thought. How about Jim Harbaugh. Look what he did at USD and what he is doing at Stanford now. I know he loved coaching in SD, but could not pass up the opportunity to go to the Pac-10. He might be that breath of fresh air we need right now.
Thoughts?
by LightningStrike on Oct 7, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably would’ve gone to Oakland if he wanted to coach in the NFL. He has close ties with Al Davis. I’d take him though.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that those guys are really even available
The Cowher thing has been discussed before and it’s unlikely that he’d work with A.J.
Holmgren (the oldest of that group) is mostly likely going to stay retired.
Dungy, I think, retired to move on to different things. I don’t see him coming back.
No clue on Shanny. I wouldn’t bet on it though.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holmgren has been making the media rounds this week, telling everybody that he wants back in as a head coach in 2010. He fits because he could take over as OC (a glaring hole if Norv is fired) and he may not want to be GM after giving up that role in Seattle.
I agree with everything else. I’ll even add that Dungy doesn’t seem like an option at all because he wouldn’t be able to run his beloved Tampa 2 defense.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan could be interesting if not for the fact of trying to stick it to the Broncos and Pat Bowlen.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher
hire would have to be a clean slate by the Spanos. Cowher would want GM/HC power and money. ha who knows if they end up moving to LA they will have the $ for it.
by slimsocal678 on Oct 7, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think any of these guys could live with AJ’s control issues.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 7, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine CJ Spiller and CJ Spillman on the same team
Yikes.
Not as confusing as the two Roy Williams playing for Dallas last season, mind.
by gman87 on Oct 7, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I had mix-up problems just typing them both into this post.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had enough confusion with Norv Turner and Michael Turner
by Orz on Oct 7, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there are two Buster Davises.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 7, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and two Michael Bennetts
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And two Brandon Moores.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 7, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pats have a guy with my name.
Funny, he’s the same height and weight. Different body composition, I’m sure.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 7, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No WAAAAY! They have a player named
Neoplatonist Bolthead? Wow, that is quite amazing!
I hate knee injuries.
The masses have spoken, Kevin Prince it is!
by CaDuck on Oct 7, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wes Welker?
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops.
Got confused. There was also a LB of the same name in the same class, who went undrafted (I don’t follow college ball beyond “Go Aztecs!”, sorry) and was my h/w. I’m not the same height as the Pats’ Matt Slater, or the same weight, just the same name.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 8, 2009 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
I was hoping your name was Vince Wilfork.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2009 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec’d.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 8, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turned it green. That was funny.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 8, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry, Spiller won't be a Charger without a major trade
He’s at the top of the board right now— a Top-5 back.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 7, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
quote from AJ
stolen from MHR post: http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/10/7/1075133/absolutely-embarrassing-everything#comments
which was taken from this ESPN article: http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post?id=4870
Absolutely embarrassing. Everything is wrong with it right now. I’m not the least bit happy in a lot of areas. I’ve seen us be tough and physical to soft and bewildered. If this trend continues, we’ll be 8-8 — or worse — and certainly out of the division. We won’t have the credentials. It’s not going well for the San Diego Chargers and we’d better get our act together quickly … We need to complete games. We’ve gained absolutely no ground over last year. I’m extremely disappointed.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 7, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This seems to be the sentiment of the entire Front Office
Despite what Norv says in his press conferences.
In “The Drive”s weekly interview with Jim Steeg, I got the distinct impression that the flight home on the Chargers executives flight (they fly separate from the team) was not a very pleasant one. Dean Spanos was not a happy camper.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
read between the lines...
AJ’s definitely calling out the coaches and players. He’s not naming names publicly yet but that’s pretty strong this early in the season. The fire has been lit under this entire organization. We’ll see their make-up against Denver on MNF.
by slimsocal678 on Oct 7, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be that he just might want to bring in a new HC if the season goes awry.
At least he doesn’t sugarcoat his comments with nice nice bullshit,he says what he feels at the time they ask him.If he was a player he’d probably get fined by the team like Cro.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Dean is coming un-hinged in that forum (plane ride home)
It is on AJ, not the Coaches. Maybe AJ does some finger pointing, but at the end of the conversation it’s our depth that is the biggest root cause of failure. If it is all on the Coaches I’d thnk Dean waits until he gets back to town.
Aw I’m sure he saved a little woopass for Monday morning too.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 7, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did you see it?
can you give us the link for the interview?
by slimsocal678 on Oct 7, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see it
It was on the radio. I didn’t hear anything specific, just that the plane ride home was not good and Dean was mentioned as a not happy person.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly hope not.
AJ isn’t happy either.
Two me, there are two possibilities here that explain our situation.
First, we’re struggling because we’ve lost Jamal, and our replacements are either too inexperienced or not good enough to fill in.
Second, the overall talent on defense just isn’t good, and nothing is going to fix it short of rebuilding it. That means jettisoning a lot of players and bringing in new ones, perhaps along with a new coordinator.
I hope it’s the former, but I’m scared it’s the latter. The former is fixable this year and we still have hope. The latter means it’ll be a couple years before we get back to where we want to be.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 7, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
those two options...
fall on AJ don’t you agree? With Jamal constantly injured and showing signs of aging, he drafts a project from Canada and ex-Enterprise rental car worker. I’m not saying they won’t be great someday but it obvious they are not capable of backing up the likes of JW. This goes for several other positions…he’s been drafting skill positions guys early last several years and that’s put us in a hole.
by slimsocal678 on Oct 7, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with Canada or Enterprise?
they got great pot there and not to mention a cool fan of the Chargers there and Enterprise will pick you up.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree they fall on AJ.
I think he’s neglected both lines to some extent, especially the defensive line.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 7, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in addition to.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4539657&categoryid=2378529
“Chargers GM A.J. Smith calls team’s performance “embarassing”
by tonik on Oct 7, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
Acee just posted in his mailbag that AJ is actively looking for help. He also posted that he doesn’t know if anything can save the defensive line.
To me, that says that those of us hoping for a NT trade are out of luck.
And if our defensive line isn’t fixed, I think our season is finished.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 7, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I'll accept that
I was about to rail on AJ for spouting the party line, standing pat, supporting his boy Norv, acting calm, trying to let his “shots in the dark” like Martin and Boone and T. Johnson develop, but I’m glad to hear the team’s poor play has taken its toll on him. I can only HOPE he’s willing to do something about it. And maybe, by the grace of the almighty, this means that losing — no matter how many injuries there are to hide behind — will officially put Norv Turner’s job in jeopardy!
by Andy (allfield) on Oct 7, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s amazing to me how many Chargers fans would be happy to lose because it would mean Norv is fired.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck no I don't want to lose...and give who the Raiders the division without a fight.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They prefer losing in the playoffs obviously.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 7, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want to win without norv as HC.
I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies
and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these
mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery
Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me
Battle-scarred shogun, explosion when my pen hits
tremendous, ultra-violet shine blind forensics
by tonik on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what we’re dealing with.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 7, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it will be interesting to see what happens after the bye and game agains broncos.
I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies
and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these
mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery
Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me
Battle-scarred shogun, explosion when my pen hits
tremendous, ultra-violet shine blind forensics
by tonik on Oct 7, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
INSPEKTA DECK ON THAT SHIT SON DAMN...
HAHA…..original homie..I give you made props on that one dog….

am i the only person who sees this shit?
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Where's the O Line upgrades John?
And the Genuine FULL BACK! (over #260)
To me River’s survival and the success of our running game all start right up front. An average back can do wonders behind a solid line. I think about Denver’s plug & play RB success in the 1990’s. It seemed like they could put just about anyone back there and they’d shoot through the hole to the second level and bust a few open to the house every game.
Just look at the last game for proof. The Steelers OL and FB played so well just about any RB could have done what Mendhall did with those opportunies. Heck Fast Willy probably would have had a day even with the bad toe. It is not the RB – it’s the Line.
Our big guys are not as good as other team’s big guys. I don’t know the specifics. Maybe we aren’t big enough, strong enough, quick enough, smart enough, conditioned enough, young enough whatever the key dimension is we are not as good as we used to be, and below average compared to the rest of the league.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 7, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fullback – I don’t think it’s entirely necessary in the offense anymore. Also, I think Tolbert has grown into being a genuine fullback.
I mentioned the Center and I don’t know what else I’d do to improve the offensive line. Clary and Vasquez have been solid, Dielman and McNeill are Pro Bowlers. Hardwick is a Pro Bowler when healthy. I think a big reason we’re getting beat on the lines is we’re missing so many players (Hardwick, Vasquez, Williams, Johnson, Cesaire, Bingham, etc.). Each line we’ve faced so far, offensive and defensive, has been quite healthy.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are standing pat with this group !!!
Where is our success running the ball today ?? We are not good enough right now. Other teams are, we aren’t and next year we’ll just be one year older and higher mileage. I can’t stand pat at OL.
Tolbert was on the bubble this year. I our upgraded scheme, Tolbert doesn’t make the team. In my mind he’s a tweener, Too small to be an effective FB, to big and slow to be an effective RB, but he can catch! To me not good enough!
by Trendsearcher on Oct 7, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say we’re not good enough, I say we’re not healthy enough.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I say we only ran the ball 7 times with LT
That’s not enough to judge anything.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 7, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because it is hard to have a back up NT
Does not mean that we shouldn’t have solid back ups at the rest of the line positions D & O. You say we are not healthly – true.
To me that means we are not deep enough, and the 2s and 3’s should be replaced with someone better, so that when we do loose a first teamer we don’t miss a beat. Also with better depth we can split reps more evenly, which keeps us freash.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 7, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Health coming back
Merriman may or may not be ready in time for the Denver game, but by late season he’ll be back in form. We may need some real performance from him against Denver, too, and it’s a must win. He’s the kind of guy a D could rally around, but it would make some sense if he’s lost some credibility.
Hardwick will be out for awhile, but I’m not so worried now. Norman has had time to practice some and Mruczkowski will start playing better, just watch. Vasquez could be a difference-maker: Dombrowski needs a lot of seasoning. Not that the o-line issues are solved, just that there’s reason to hold out hope.
I still think VM can be the answer at noseguard, but probably not this year. The reappearance of Travis Johnson and Antwan Applewhite might help, but I doubt this team can more than intermittently solve their run-D woes.
Frankly, that’s good enough if the OL does its job and the team gets better at converting short yardage. LaDainian will help some: even if he’s slowed down and lacks his spectacular explosive cutting ability of old, he’s still going to hit the right holes and take whatever is to be had, and the big plays will be made in the passing game as they are now. This will let us turn our dynamic passing offense into early leads, or at least not late holes, and our problems stopping the run will become a footnote, or cost just one or two games in an otherwise-great season.
First- and second-quarter offensive consistency. That’s what we need. This streak of scoreless first drives is the subject of a lot of jests, sure, but now that we can’t rely on our run game it means something significant. That is how this team can make the playoffs.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 7, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your free agent choices
And we should be able to sign the guys you’ve outlined.
I even think Charlie Whitehurst comes cheap. He’s really not that good.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 7, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Then why keep him?
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I talked to one of my friends about this, and this was his opinion:
The Chargers aren’t a good team. They appear good because of the awesomeness of Philip Rivers. They’re a team that is middling at best, but clings to the illusion that they’re great and only a player or two away from a championship. In reality, they’re badly in need of rebuilding on both sides of the ball—the offensive line, the defensive line, the linebackers, and the secondary. There’s no sense in trading away any draft picks or young players, because they aren’t just one guy away from the hum—they aren’t even close to the hump to begin with.
Not saying I agree, but I think this is a valid opinion. I’ve posted numerous times that I don’t think the talent level on the defensive side of the ball is good enough for us to win. I’m afraid that this is correct, and we’re going to go through several years of rebuilding before we get close to the top again.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it
not only does this ring true, but it also sounds a lot like the Broncos over the last few years. Let’s hope it doesn’t take the Chargers as long to make a change.
by CoastalBronco on Oct 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Your friend has some serious insight.I think he might be right about the Defensive side.The O-Line might just need a couple good back ups and a good draft choice next year.If our GM is as smart as we think he is there is a solution without having to go through a major rebuilding process.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NT, another good OL, another good DB, voila.
Only one of those, an NT, is hard to get, though we may need to spend an early pick (3rd or 4th, not 5th or 6th) on a safety, or maybe pick up an FA. And we have a credible shot at our NT of the future on the roster in Vaughn Martin, but he’s not the guy of the present. I think this team isn’t elite anymore, but they’re potentially only one step off, and they may have their answer on the roster and good-to-go by January.
Seriously, you can talk about not being a good team if we lose to the Donx, or even if we end up with a losing record at any point. Until then, it’s premature to fret (unless you’re a Chargers lineman, and even then you should just be working hard and putting your heart into it).
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 7, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need more than that.
I think we need another corner, two defensive linemen, at least one more linebacker perhaps more, a safety, at least one more offensive linemen perhaps more, and a running back.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 7, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is wayyy too many things to need if you ask me…
My faith in the San Diego Chargers will always be at maximum strength for as long as I live. CHARGERS ROLLLL!
by ChargersFanT.I.D. on Oct 7, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not with you.
Corner: yeah, ok. We won’t get one, so we’ll have to carry an extra safety. That’s ok, just announce to the world “Tryout for Chargers Safety!” Cro and Cason are a good #2 and #3 corner in some order, if only there’s a pass rush and a run D.
DL: Got more than enough quality 3-4 DEs. Got one project NT, need two more project NTs. No such thing as a proven FA NT: he’s either extended, has problems or is a rookie. That’s an early pick and a few UDFAs, all we got, all we need.
Linebacker: We’ve got lots of guys who are guys but just guys (Applewhite, Tucker, Dobbins, Siler). We’ve got 3 sortastuds (Phillips, Cooper, Burnett), two maybe-stars (Merriman and English). Sure, we can draft one if he’s the best player, or if we’ve got our other key spots.
RB: Yeah. OK. RBs are fungible, except at the very top, and you can’t guarantee that Superman will be on every draft board. Another mid-round pick, unless there’s a steal out there.
Safety: Sounds like a free agent is in order.
OL: Sure, when you’ve got your other bases covered. Guards and Centers aren’t usually first-round picks. Again, best player available and all that.
The season is far from gone, and if we blow it we can recover and bounce back in just one year. Quit fretting.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 7, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010 Free Agents
As I was looking at your list, I was thinking about who we should keep. I paged down and, lo and behold, you picked the SAME PLAYERS I DID! I was amazed. However, I would hate to see those others just go away into free agency. Trading 2 or 3 of them would be the smart move. I KNOW we could get something for Merriman, Osgood, maybe Chambers, definitely Whitehurst (although I would rather us trade Volek and re-sign Whitehurst), and dangling these guys as trade bait RIGHT NOW for a guy like Shaun Rogers would be very smart. I don’t think we can trade Sproles because he was franchised, but I’m not sure. Either way, keeping him beyond this year wouldn’t be prudent. What about you? what do you think?
by boltmancraft on Oct 7, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ever notice how you hardly ever see players traded in the NFL? There’s a reason for that.
Why would a team trade for Merriman, Osgood, Chambers or Whitehurst when they know the Chargers aren’t going to be able to sign them this offseason? They could hold onto their draft picks and pay the guy the money he’d get anyways in a new deal.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of those decisions scared me.
For instance, letting go of Shawne Merriman who might be back to 100% health by that time of the season. And I wouldn’t DARE let Darren Sproles go (If he could be afforded). To me, he’s the NFL’s best screen running RB. But, I do agree with keeping Manumaleuna. I think he’s the leagues signature Blocking TE.
My faith in the San Diego Chargers will always be at maximum strength for as long as I live. CHARGERS ROLLLL!
by ChargersFanT.I.D. on Oct 7, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
$$$$$$
This blog has devolved into UT like, uncerebral blabber
by soulSD on Oct 7, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very True
My faith in the San Diego Chargers will always be at maximum strength for as long as I live. CHARGERS ROLLLL!
by ChargersFanT.I.D. on Oct 7, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Can’t afford Sproles (he wants starting RB money when he’s not even a decent backup RB) and definitely can’t afford Merriman. Not unless you want to depend the entire Chargers future on a 5’6" RB or a LB with a bad knee.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1 PICK A TAILBACK IN 2010 DRAFT???? I DON'T THINK SO
Although I do not agree with much of this blog, I strongly disagree with your position pick for the Chargers #1 in 2010. The main problem (of many problems) we’re having is at the line of scrimmage (on both sides of the ball). Games are won in the trenches. We have been dominated at the line of scrimmage since 2008. No pass rush and no protection for the running game. A.J. Smith did not improve this situation for 2009. And we still have undersized fullbacks. There will be plenty of capable NFL running backs available come season’s end. We need to spend our picks on a dominant offensive lineman and a defensive tackle. Our run blocking is so horrible that I feel sorry for L.T. He looked like the L.T. of 2007 Sunday night. The problem was there were no holes to run through. And he only received 7 carries. Our defensive line play is embarrassing and disappointing, especially with the consistent poor play by Castillo. Right now, the best move A.J. Smith could have made was to fire Turner Monday morning during the bye week. Bump up Rivera for the remainder of the season and let Charlie Joiner call the plays. Turner is just horrible. How can you exclude your most explosive offensive player from the game plan? Sproles didn’t have a single carry or catch. Go figure. And on a final note, for all you broadcasters who say this is now Rivers team, well, he hasn’t had much success without L.T. alongside him. They were 8-8 in 2008 and 2-2 in 2009.
by RAYTERHAYTER on Oct 7, 2009 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know where to start.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 7, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
u rock
rayterhayter
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 7, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The keyword in that whole rant is "capable"
A “capable” running back does not a playoff team make. As nice as it would be to pick up a guy the caliber of FWP— possibly the best in that class— (Jerious Norwood does intrigue me as well) it would cost vast amounts of money. It needs to be a guy who will be effective, long-term. That’s one reason why you go with a running back. The only reason we went English this year, in my opinion, is because the Broncos got Norwood and Beanie Wells would’ve been a stretch at 12.
Remember— This is not a pass-first offense. It probably would not become one if Philip Rivers fell from the sky with a halo on Norv’s front porch.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 7, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAPABLE- YES
You have Sproles and Tomlinson. They both make over $5M. If Sproles is gone next year with Tomlinson still the man, you’re not going to bring in a Chester Taylor type who’ll demand more than $5M. If that was the case, shouldn’t the Chargers have signed Burner Turner when they had the chance? You get a capable tailback like a Michael Bennett. You can’t be blowing money on a tailback when that position is not a priority. There are bigger issues to deal with, like the o-line. If you don’t have competent blockers, it doesn’t matter who you have in your backfield. Just ask L.T. You don’t blow your money or your top pick on a tailback without having protection. If L.T. retires after this season, which I wouldn’t be surprised with this line we have, then I would salivate for Chester Taylor. He’s a stud who’s much like L.T. He may not have the great moves but he’s fast and tough as nails.
by RAYTERHAYTER on Oct 7, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have a better blocking team
Yah I’d get more O-line and D-line
by BFTB_zach on Oct 7, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's how I see the priorities
In order of urgency: NT, SS, CB, C, OT, RB, OLB.
In order of draft priority: NT, OT, CB, SS, OLB, RB, C.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 7, 2009 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And the players who may fall to us like that.
If the front office uses that exact draft priority, it may shake out like this. Be forewarned: I’m no Mel Kiper.
Let’s be (moderately) nice to the Chargers and assume they make the playoffs, but exit in the first round. That’ll give them what, the 25th pick?
1. (25th overall) Jared Odrick of Penn State. Not as big as Martin or J-Will, but commands double-teams. He’s considered to be the 4th-best DT, the other three currently sit at top-15.
2. (57th overall) Ali Villanueva of Army. Yes, it’s a tremendous reach (he may not even declare; if he does, he’s currently sitting around early-4th round) and a BIG homer pick. But come on, how can you not love a 6’10" tackle/wide reciever hybrid? It’s his first season as a wideout and his coaches are liking his soft hands and surprising deep speed. (Did I mention he’s a tackle AND a wideout? And that he’s SIX FOOT TEN???)
3. (89th overall) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah of Indiana (PA). I hate, hate, hate little corners, probably because they’re victimized so often by recieving corps like those of the Chargers. AOA is 6’1" with good speed, and may fall five or ten spots as a small-school sleeper.
4. (111th overall) Kurt Coleman of Ohio State. Note that Jared Woodall of ‘Bama is considered the better pick here, but I see too much of Ellison in him; he hits like a dump truck but gets torched in coverage. Coleman plays like Eric Weddle— jack-of-all-trades, and master of none. (Not to say that Weddle’s not developing at a rapid clip.)
5. (143rd overall) Dexter Davis of Arizona State. Nothing special, just a solid, good-sized Marques Harris-caliber OLB.
6. (175th overall) Andre Anderson of Tulane. This guy is not the answer, but he’s a much better back than the pundits give him credit for and would be a steal in the 6th.
7. (207th overall) Erik Cook of New Mexico. Considered one of the better centers in college ball, and a big one at that (6’6", 318 lbs.), he could be overlooked due to New Mexico kind of being an overlookable school.
And just for the helluvit, my top-priority UDFA.
Cam Sexton, QB, Catawba College. Only because he’s the draft’s fastest, running an impressive 4.56 in the 40 yard dash.
(Source: CBS Sports.)
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by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 7, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would this help?
Villanueva is a project pick at best. Odrick isn’t that much better than Nwagbuo and Martin. Oqusu-Ansah isn’t much different from Brandon Hughes. Anderson is not good enough to start. No holes are filled quickly.
I’ll take Cook though.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2009 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Villanueva is a project at WR
He’s been remarkable consistent at tackle. Granted, consistent enough to sit in the fourth round.
True, but Odrick is head-and-shoulders above Alphonso Boone.
I honestly wasn’t sure Hughes cleared waivers, but if he’s on the practice squad I’ll take him.
I’m aware that Anderson isn’t the future Chargers tailback. I was just going with NeoP’s list. If we had priority, we’d probably just take the best on the board— Spiller if he fell a long ways, or someone else.
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--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 8, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes is on IR for the season. He would’ve made the team if he didn’t get injured.
I doubt Boone is on the team next year, unless he’s taking Travis Johnson’s spot. There’s a reason the team wasn’t interested in him until Williams went down.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CB and OT before RB? No way. Why are people still trying to cut Clary? He’s been good! Why would we need to draft another OLB before an RB? Even without Merriman we have English, Phillips, Tucker and Applewhite.
If we draft a NT high, then we’re giving up on Nwagbuo and/or Martin. I’m not ready for that yet.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2009 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not convinced we’d need to draft another OLB before a RB; probably should have put OLB last on both lists. Nothing against Clary, but if we got a good first-round OT, we could let McNeill go on UFA after ‘10. Maybe not: he’s fallen off a lot, but could turn it around.
I’m also not saying that this is the round such and such a player should be taken in. I’m just taking holes and trying to figure out where need intersects with positional value. It’s possible Martin is our NT of the future, but even if so we should draft an NT in the top 4 rounds or so. A first round DB would be ok, as would using the first round on the best player available if he’s at any of those positions, like a great-looking RB.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 8, 2009 4:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone so sure Jamal will be healthy next year?
He’ll be 34 at the start of next season, having obviously missed all of this season. Over the past several years, he’s been dealing with a nagging injury of some sort more often than not. I recognize the power-house that he can be when healthy (or even mostly healthy) but I don’t think we can count on that anymore. Again, even if you think he’ll come back from the triceps injury fine, he’ll still be 34!
I’m not sure what the price for Shaun Rogers is, but if I’m AJ, I’m listening right now.
by 'Eaters on Oct 7, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AGE DRAFT FREE-AGENCY
The truth is we’re running out of time to reach the Super Bowl. We’ve quickly gone downhill. Players are getting older and A.J. Smith has been less than brilliant since signing Norv Turner. I would look for the Chargers to draft a player to eventually replace Jamal Williams. With his age and weight, I would not be comfortable going into 2010 with him alone. Castillo’s play makes me sick. He, along with Cesaire and these unknown stiffs aren’t getting it done. I’d take Olshansky back in a minute. I didn’t think it would be worse than last year. How can we rip this secondary when there is no pass rush. The front seven as a unit have been horrible. I will only jump on the secondary when they blow a coverage. We can’t expect them to cover a receiver for 8 seconds.
by RAYTERHAYTER on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo has been one of very few bright spots on the defense this year. I’m impressed by the certainty with which people speak about matters they have clearly paid no attention to.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 7, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
CASTILLO A BRIGHT SPOT? WHAT GAME HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING?
Perhaps we’ve been watching two different games, but I haven’t seen one bright spot on this defense. Castillo has been getting blown off the ball consistently. It’s sickening. This guy is a #1 pick. Sure he’s made a few plays, but they’ve been overshadowed by lineman running over him and backs running by him. The closest to a bright spot on defense is Jammer. When you don’t hear a corner’s name called much, you know he’s doing his job. He’ll continue to get flagged now and then but I’ll take that over a blown coverage or a deep td pass. And the only offensive players who have shown up for every game are Rivers and Gates. And I can’t leave out Binn and Osgood. These two are consummate professionals who don’t disappoint.
by RAYTERHAYTER on Oct 7, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo has been having a fine season.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 7, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Castillo, Weddle, Burnett, Jammer and maybe Cooper are the defensive guys I’d say are having good seasons. Castillo has taken on double-teams with Jamal being injured and is still performing well.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2009 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t feel like Weddle or Cooper played particularly well at Pittsburgh, but I more/less agree with your list.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 8, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but they’re still both having good seasons. Neither is all that great at zone, which is all the Chargers seemed to play on Sunday.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’d be great if Cooper never dropped into a zone again.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 8, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand those defensive calls.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 8, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
weddle got burned pretty hard when he was showing blitz on one play….i think our biggest problem on defense is recognition and play calling, aside from the obvious lack of a pass rush…the front seven is getting beat up and blown off the ball consitently…we’re over-running guys, not playing our gap responsibility, and not showing much heart….we need to make huge adjustments to our coverage, especially the zone…dropping the linebackers 20 yards deep on 3rd and 7 doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, especially when you do it repeatedly
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by notorioushbi on Oct 8, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend focus on the line play the second and third times I watch the games.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 7, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Castillo has been pulling the double team
so while his stats don’t show it, he has been a factor to some degree.
Whether he’s worth all that money??? I don’t think so.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 8, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-4 DEs rarely put up stats.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 8, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right on the money
again great minds think alike
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by j-man on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure. If Nwagbuo and Martin continue to progress, I think Jamal is a backup next year. I am optimistic about what an entire season off will do for his knees though.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2009 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
until the next injury
I’m sorry but we can’t just keep assuming Williams plugs right back in. This is part of sportsfan denial, that someone with “a year off” will come back rested and stronger. It goes right next to “he’s in the best shape of his life” and “he has a new training regimen.”
by 'Eaters on Oct 8, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I said I’d put him as a backup next year. Do I think his knees will be better? Sure, but even if they’re not I think he’s body is healthy enough to handle the work of a backup DT.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 9, 2009 4:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
from espn
merriman not happy with AJ’s statements
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4540915
merriman says the problem with the defense is their lack of attittude. i think it’s more than just attitude now.
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by tonik on Oct 7, 2009 10:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“I don’t know too much of that. That’s an opinion of a person, and it’s not needed,” Merriman said. “We know that we have to play better. We met for an extra hour and a half as a defense as a whole to discuss what we need to do and things we need to do to get better. And we’re going to make adjustments in this locker room as far as players and our attitudes and getting after people a little more. But all that extra [stuff] is not needed at all.”
Merriman said it would be easier to absorb such talk if it came from a teammate.
“The only opinions that matter to me are the ones in this locker room. Anything else, it doesn’t matter,” he said.
Bye, bye Shawne. I wonder if somebody would trade a pick for him because in the off-chance that the CBA isn’t finalized before free agency they’d get to keep him for a full season after this one. Probably not.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 8, 2009 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish the guy could control his mouth.
Great player, most of the time.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 8, 2009 4:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John (obviousman) Thanks for answering our Steelers / Chargers questions last week
John,
I loved this post on your 3 dream jobs but I think I enjoyed the back and forth from the members of this blog even more. You guys are freaking hilarious and I love the Blunt, White Widow, stoned references. It took me about 30 minutes to read everything but it was worth it. Some insightful, some funny and some just plain off the wall (thanks to the weed, i assume). I look forward to reading you guys and your blog and I promise I will not troll your site like Raven and Bengals fan do ours. Best of luck the rest of the season and hopefully we’ll see you guys again on the field in the playoffs.
Steeler fan in Humble ,TX
by WARDANE33 on Oct 8, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Thanks for coming by.
At least your trolls are fans of different teams. Our trolls are just people that really, really hate Norv Turner and A.J. Smith.
As much as I like BTSC and all the guys that have come over from there, I really hope the Chargers don’t see the Steelers again in the playoffs. Pittsburgh has our number.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 9, 2009 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Clayton's assessment.
Nothing new here but the problems are glaring even for neutral expert analysis.
….What seems to be clear this season is that the window is closing on the Chargers’ defense. The loss of Jamal Williams (triceps injury) was huge. I know he was an older nose tackle with knee problems, but his loss seriously damaged the Chargers’ ability to stop the run. Shawne Merriman, who’s coming off knee surgery and is currently battling a groin injury, isn’t playing lights-out football. Their cornerback play has been inconsistent. It’s pretty clear their offense can put up points on everybody. That the Chargers have been in the playoffs the past three years says they are above average. What they have to do is fight through the injuries and defensive problems and prove it again.
by slimsocal678 on Oct 8, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Clayton is secretly a Chargers fan, I think. He always seems to be covering the Chargers for ESPN.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 9, 2009 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
quoted from UT mailbag questions and answer
Hi Kevin, So far in all 4 games the offense has been unable to get anything accomplished until mid 3rd quarter. This problem appears to be systemic and not simply a coincidence. The offense needs to carry this team, but they don’t start playing until it’s too late most of the time. What gives?
A: Kevin Acee
They say they’re too hyped. They say the don’t know what the issue is. They say it doesn’t matter. They say teams scheme hard against them and sometimes catch them off guard early. In other words, they really don’t know. And neither do I. That they have scored one touchdown in their past 25 game-opening drives is impossible to ignore, but they have also averaged almost 26 points a game over that span. Hmmm … Don’t give me that they’re not prepared, or they wouldn’t be able to rebound so quickly. But it is a something to be concerned about, since they are 13-12 over that span.
by slimsocal678 on Oct 8, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why did you think there would be a clear answer?
This is to some extent the way Rivers is: he sizes ‘em up, then pours it on. To some extent it’s the team’s inability to establish the run. To some extent, it’s the defense’s first-quarter struggles. To some extent, it’s the ill-preparedness and lack of motivation to which Norv’s critics always point. Because it’s so many factors, it’s probably partially fixable. They ought to get on it, ‘cause you know what can’t be fixed? The run defense.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 8, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least, not until well after midseason. I’m not saying “pack it in,” I’m saying, “the offense is going to have to carry the team from Denver to @Denver.”
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 8, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Glad to hear they have no freaking idea whatsoever.
If it’s a problem, and they know it’s a problem but don’t know why it’s a problem, why aren’t they experimenting with solutions? What about running a no-huddle offense for the first quarter? Or going with 5 WRs (including Gates) to start the game? These are things that Patriots have been doing for years to throw teams off and get a lead. Once they get the lead they could play however they wanted.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 9, 2009 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
it’s just lack of creativity by this coaching staff. We though Marty/Cam’s play calling were predictable. They consistently DO NOT exploit opposing teams weaknesses. They just stick to their style of game no matter who the opponent is or who’s injured on our team (at least in the first half). Love the idea of going into some sort of spread offense with all the talented receivers we have.
by slimsocal678 on Oct 9, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-scheme issues on top of the injuries?
I’m sure Cro’s just making excuses but it does make sense. They played soft zone coverage most of the game. But still the players had half of last season and this whole off season to get used to Rivera’s schemes. Is Rivera failing to adjust early on like Norv?
By Michael Blunda of ProFootballWeekly
….From what we hear, playing within coordinator Ron Rivera’s scheme has been a major challenge for some of the players. CB Antonio Cromartie got himself in hot water by saying that the reason he played so poorly in the Week Four debacle at Pittsburgh was because he was forced to play zone coverage. CB Quentin Jammer, meanwhile, didn’t blame anyone in particular but said many defenders had been straying from their assignments to make up for the errors of others. Obviously not pleased with his unit’s performance, Rivera had an extended meeting with the defense during the bye to inform them that no one’s job was safe. Getting everyone on the same page will be his next goal.
by slimsocal678 on Oct 9, 2009 9:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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