What's Right with the San Diego Chargers?
Time to get positive people. We can't sit around for the next two weeks talking about firing Norv Turner and A.J. Smith. It's not going to happen mid-season and without a horrible season it's not going to happen period.
Thanks to some people responding calmly to yesterday's post, I have some good ideas as far as what San Diego Chargers fans have to be happy about and should be looking forward to in the future. So wipe that frown off your face, get ready to support your team again and check out the entire list after the jump.
Philip Rivers - 2nd in the league in passing yards, 5th in pass attempts per game and 12th in QB rating. Is it a performance as good as 2008's? Not yet. However, Philip is facing possibly the most difficult situations of any starting QB in the league on a weekly basis.
The second time he got on the field on Sunday, the team was down by 14 points and had already shown that they were not going to be able to stop the Steelers offense. If Norv said to Philip "You have to throw every down and we need to score a touchdown on every possession", it would've been the truth. And although I've encouraged the Chargers to be a pass-first offense, I'm smart enough to know that the team needs a semblance of a running attack and a defense that can at least slow down the opposing offense.
Those things considered, Philip Rivers has been on fire. He's gotten a third of his passing yards and half of his passing TDs in the fourth quarter. He lead the Chargers to wins in Oakland and against Miami with a tattered offensive line that didn't help the weak running attack. If the rest of the team can improve, and take pressure of Rivers to win every game, Philip will benefit from this time and grow into an even greater QB than he already was. If they can't, he'll still fight to get this team to the playoffs.
LaDainian Tomlinson - I know, I know. This list is looking awfully familiar. The fact of the matter is, when LT has gotten the ball he has looked better than he did in 2008. His 3.5 YPC is a testament to that. An improvement in the defense, so the offense doesn't have to play catch-up, would get LT more carries and hopefully more 2009 success.
When you're looking for silver linings, having LT look like a solid RB again is one you can certainly focus on. He had his injury, he took time off, and now he has at least 12 more games ahead of him where he could become a star again.
Health - Not only do the Chargers have a bye next week, but the following week is a Monday night game in San Diego. That is two full weeks (14 days) without a football game and without having to travel. In NFL terms, that's ages. Players that have been struggling with minor injuries, such as Antwan Applewhite, Travis Johnson, Shawne Merriman, Louis Vasquez and LaDainian Tomlinson, should be able to get to 100% or very close to it by time the Monday night game rolls around. That should help, even incrementally, with stopping the run on defense and getting the running game going on offense.
Schedule - The Chargers opponents over the first 4 weeks of the season are currently 7-9. Their upcoming opponents are 22-25 through Week 4. With four games against teams that are currently 0-4, there should be a handful of easy victories for the Bolts during the season that could get momentum on their side.
San Diego faces each of their division opponents (5-7 combined) in the three weeks following next week's bye. As bad I felt about the Chargers following Sunday's game, a 5-2 record heading into the New York Giants game would certainly make me feel better about the Bolts' chances at winning the division and being successful in the playoffs. Even if the Chargers lose in New York, then lose to the Philadelphia Eagles the following week in San Diego, that would put them at 5-4 to face the weak remainder of their schedule (@DEN, KC, @CLE, @DAL, CIN, @TEN, WSH). That sounds like at least 10-6 to me.
There are differences between the Denver Broncos and Chargers, but perhaps the biggest difference is that the Broncos have faced the weak part of their schedule already (first 4 opponents: 6-10 combined record). Where the Chargers' remaining schedule is under .500, the Broncos' remaining schedule is currently 25-22 and includes games against the Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, Giants and Colts. The Chargers have only one game left against a team that currently has 3 or more wins and is not the Bengals or Broncos (it's the Giants). The Broncos have four.
There will be plenty of opportunities for the Bolts to beat up on lesser opponents and gain momentum, and there should be a legitimate chance to catch and pass the Broncos for the AFC West Championship.
Defense - Some of my favorite times watching the Chargers have been watching players grow and get better. Luis Castillo, Shawne Merriman, even Stephen Cooper had talent to begin with but seemed to get better with each game. I know a lot of Bolts fans who feel the same way, but with the current team is seems we've lost some of that love. A young, developing player that could be great if he was able to start for a full season and gain some experience is looked at as somebody who is taking the spot of a veteran free agent who could be "the final piece of the puzzle".
I'm going back to watching the young defensive guys get better. The Chargers second-half schedule is easy, and if these guys are getting better now the team will be set up to gain a ton of momentum heading into the playoffs. Here are the guys that I'm enjoying watching, as they sometimes stumble but always get back up and continue to grow:
- Ogemdi Nwagbuo - Future star? Maybe, maybe not. One thing is for sure, the kid has been better than expected. He's the reason Ian Scott was cut and eventually he could be the reason Luis Castillo goes back to being single-teamed. It's ridiculous to try to compare him to Jamal Williams at this point, but if he can continue to grow and then provide 3/4 of J-Will's production for the final quarter of the season that would make the Bolts defense much more solid heading into January. What I like from him is that he's hungry. Now he just needs to stay healthy.
- Vaughn Martin - Kindof the same deal. Martin has seen more time than he expected to due to the injuries to Ryon Bingham, Williams, Jacques Cesaire and Travis Johnson. While he hasn't been a dominating force, he has looked like he fits in. Just like Nwagbuo, the coaching staff raves about Martin's work ethic and desire to get better quickly. These are the types of guys that, given playing time, it "clicks" for them in the second half of the season and they start playing like stars.
- Antoine Cason - As Antonio Cromartie has seemingly regressed, Cason has gotten better. There is now talk out of Chargers camp, not just from the fans, that the team is considering moving him up to starting CB and Cromartie back to the nickelback spot. I hope it happens, because every time I see Cason he seems to be getting better (the missed assignment in Baltimore excluded). I also think it'd be fun to send Cromartie on a blitz from the nickel spot, with his great speed, long arms and soft hands.
- Larry English - As I said yesterday, I'm currently disappointed in this pick. Everyone was initially excited because the kid has potential, but we shouldn't have forgotten that there's still a big hole behind LT. Debating the pick gets us nowhere though. English has been getting better, little by little. He looked like a star against the Dolphins, but doesn't seem to be very effective when the Chargers put him as a DE as they did most of the night in Pittsburgh. The more effective he can get rushing the passer from the OLB spot, the more the defense will be able to play that way.
- Eric Weddle - I know, it's his second year as the starter and his third with the team. He's still only 24 and could potentially be in the Chargers secondary for another decade. I've said it before, my philosophy is that I'm happy as long as I see progress being made. Not only is Weddle now a very good FS, but I see constant progress out of him. Whether it's in trying to lay a big hit, his coverage (superb) or even blitzing the QB occasionally. You can tell by watching him every week that Weddle works at his craft and will be better at the end of the season than he is right now.
- Shawne Merriman - This one isn't progress in terms of talent, it's in terms of health. I get excited when Merriman is on the field because I see him getting better. I see him getting more pressure on the QB. I see the offense taking notice when he's on the field again. I don't think he'll be in "game shape" until the second half of the season. Which isn't to say he's out of shape, but I think a lot of time spent in the weight room and not a lot spent on the field has made him stronger but less flexible. Flexibility is key for a pass-rusher. Also, his knee is still not 100% and now his groin is bothering him. The bye week came at just the right time for him though. I'm expecting at least 5 sacks in the last 8 games of the season from him, and if English progresses as well it could equal an actual Chargers pass-rush for the playoffs. Wouldn't that be nice?
So there you have it, kids. Will the Chargers run over the entire league and be the clear-cut favorite to win the Super Bowl all season? Nope, but in a way we get the best of both worlds. A good team that should be able to make the playoffs if they at least maintain their current level of play (which is way beneath their potential), and a bunch of young guys that should make the team get better as the season goes along. Sounds fun to me.
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You left off three of the best
Receivers
Gates
Special Teams
SD’s far and away got the league’s best special teams. No other team comes close: Nate Kaeding, Mike Scifres, Darren Sproles, Kassim Osgood, Tim Dobbins, Brandon Siler, David Binn, Jacob Hester… scary stuff. Killed Indy twice, scored on Pittsburgh twice last night.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 6, 2009 6:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This was kindof like a “here’s what will get better!” list. The receivers and Gates have already been great.
Special teams is more inconsistent than I’d like. Last year they had problems stopping the big kick returns. They have looked very good so far this year though. Perhaps Tolbert was the key.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s the two-man wedge?
by BORTZ on Oct 6, 2009 7:57 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
KO did tell me that the two-man wedge was going to help him.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. I’m not optimistic about the OL and about some of our defense players
by itay n. on Oct 6, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-line looked good against Pittsburgh with Vasquez in there
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the 4 games we played, I’m not convinced. Though I hope you’re right
by itay n. on Oct 6, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vasquez has only played in a game and a half. I was really happy to see him picking up blitzers and knowing his assignments in Pittsburgh. Asking a backup Tackle, who had never played Guard, to play RG in the NFL is just rough. That’s the main reason the O-line looked so bad.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The offensive line improved dramatically in pass protection.
Had they actually been given an opportunity to run the ball, I think that would have gotten better too, given how good LT looks.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by maestro876 on Oct 6, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I saw somewhere
That Clary hasn’t allowed a sack this season. If that’s true, it’s outstanding and I take back most of the negative things I ever said about the guy (of course, that probably wasn’t much more than “I really want Michael Oher at RT!”).
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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was responsible for two sacks at Oakland.
But since then he has been shut down.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by maestro876 on Oct 6, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and didn’t both of those come after Vasquez and Hardwick left the game? I remember at least one of those was a stunt that just confused the hell out of the new guys.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats up with what Tomlin said to Osgood?
everyone thinks he’s tryna recruit 81 “Im watching you, Im watching you” is it possible?
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 6, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He was saying he’s watching him for any dirty play. If he was trying to recruit, the Chargers would’ve called them out on tampering.
Plus, if you’re going to recruit a Chargers player on national TV, it’s probably not going to be Osgood.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's everyone that was saying that?
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s being widely talked about by Chargers fans because it was initially thought that Tomlin was saying “I want you, I want you”. It’s all over the non BFTB forums.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Damn I got to get out more
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stay here Gordi, I’ll make sure you’re kept informed of any actual news.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i got that from twitter
" A finger or two in the air shows how much we care"
by ChargersWitch on Oct 9, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry I see more wrong than right
Weddle is in the right spot, just need some more experience. Wish Rivers could hit LT better out of the backfield. Seems to hit Sproles pretty good of course he’s a lot shorter.
English has shown some sparks of being good, just not an instant impact player like Seau and Merriman were.
Jammer doing a great job, i agree with your Carson thoughts put him as CB and put Cromartee as nickel.
LT looked pretty good even though the running game was stopped for passing once we got behind.
Still more negs than positives. Ron please look at game films before the second half !!! Thanks!
by bambi19 on Oct 6, 2009 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
English is switching positions and missed a lot of training camp/preseason. Give him time.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think English..
is explosive at times… Yes I think he just needs the time… he looks so hungry to get sacks….
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 6, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we didn't have Weddle
There would be a lot more big plays against this defense (although, maybe that would be a good thing, Tthe offense would get the ball back faster). He cleans up other players messes, but (like Donnie Edwards before him) doesn’t seem to make as many big plays of his own.
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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah.
This is a valuable service, you know. Now all we need is for the DL to hold up, and you’ll see an instant turnaround. That’s a big if, though.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 6, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LT with 2 receptions for no gain? That’s even more dissappointing then I noticed
by itay n. on Oct 6, 2009 8:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One of those was the shovel pass where he got injured.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
still. I expected a higher production (not as it used to be, but comparable to his diminishing running). 2 recs for nothing are too few recs and too few yards
by itay n. on Oct 6, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. He dropped at least one pass against Pittsburgh. I think he dropped one against Oakland as well.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rivers missed him on two tries.
On the first or second series LT was blocking on the left side and couldn’t release quick enough, and Rivers had no one to throw to and had to eat it.
Later in the first half Rivers threw short on his first try to the rightside of the field, LT was past the defender if Rivers were to throw it over the defender LT would have had a good gain. The next time in the flat to the right Rivers threw behind LT and he had to twist to even have a chance and he couldn’t make the catch.
by bambi19 on Oct 6, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LT wasn't able to play much because we were playing from behind the whole time and so only passing
Although, he did look pretty good on the few runs that he got. Looked almost like old LT. I saw a stiff arm or two.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 6, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
The problem with the run game this weekend wasn’t that it was bad, it was that we fell behind 21-0 and had to throw.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by maestro876 on Oct 6, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep Yep
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 6, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got a call from my dad after the game screaming “How can they expect the offense to get into a rhythm when they’re down 14-0 after 3 offensive plays?!?” He was right.
BTW, considering how poorly the Chargers have scored in the first half of games this season I was shocked to see that Rivers is just as good in the 1st quarter as he is in the 4th, just with less TDs (and less picks).
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of all the bs Rivers is a got damn G.Dude is solid man for reals.
I wouldn’t want anybody else behind center than him.Except for Elway,that guy kicked ass too.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d take Brady or Manning over Rivers, and that’s it. That’s thinking short-term also. Long-term I wouldn’t take anybody else.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make Brees sad

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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That deal worked out all around.
Rivers is younger than Brees, with less mileage for his age, almost the level of composure and more physical potential. He’s better now than Brees was in ‘06, and he’ll be better in three years than Brees is now. NO picked up a window in free agency. The Chargers picked up a bigger window with a 1st and a 2nd over four seasons (and, I might add, got about half that value back on top of it in extra picks out of the Rivers-Manning deal).
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 6, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than
Our 2004 first round pick not getting to make an impact in our 2004 close home playoff game and us not having a battle tested QB 2006 home playoff game.
Brees is currently better than Rivers right now and might even be better than Brady. So if you’re taking Brady and Manning for short term gain, you have to take Brees. I don’t think anyone is arguing as to which of the 4 you’d rather have in 3-5 years. That’s Rivers all the way.
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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s unfair, but the main reason Brees isn’t in the Brady/Manning conversation yet is because he’s yet to have any playoff success and he rarely leads to the team to a late comeback TD for the win. He’s so good from the start of the game that the Saints blow out most teams.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about irrational "playoff success" arguments
I would hope rational people can see that those 3 are at the same level right now. And, for the most part (and maybe because the Saints are winning, sigh), people seeming to be going that way.
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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
this is Bree’s second team Manning/Brady, have never known anything else. Bree’s has always done more with less. in his first year, he lead his team to the NFC championship game, while Brady was at home, along with his old team.
in his division the panthers and falcons got hot. while Manning and Bragy’s division they’re are still the dominate teams.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
by gatesoftds on Oct 6, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did "Bree's" get a diacritical mark in his name?
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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
yes, Brees should be on the list. Even if his height makes it so he can’t see his receiver on 1/3 of his throws. I have no idea how he does what he does so consistently, but he’s amazing.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
timing, accuracy
and confidence in who he’s throwing the ball to. Bree’s is one of the best as manipulating safeties.
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by gatesoftds on Oct 6, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His accuracy is amazing
I remember when he made his first Pro Bowl and competed in one of those accuracy skills competitions and he blew the other QBs (including Manning and Brady — along with Vick, McNabb and Culpepper, but who cares about them?) out of the water.
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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would
only take manning over rivers
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by j-man on Oct 6, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me that
When the Chargers are down in the fourth quarter, the D expects the ball to get bombed to Jackson and they play softer to his side.So Jackson streaks up the field, and Naanee runs to VJ’s side of the field, but only about 3-4 yards out, and he takes the ball WAYY down the field. OR also, Rivers short pass to Chambers for the TD. In conclusion, I think Rivers has less INT’s in the fourth quarter because they resort to a shorter passing game that gives the WR’s lottts of YAC.
by ChargersFanT.I.D. on Oct 6, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could be 0-4
I guess that’s positive. right?
by bambi19 on Oct 6, 2009 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They could also be 3-1; they should have won that Baltimore game.
by Rocket Surgery on Oct 6, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another positive is that Norv is keeping us in the game and calling unpredictable plays....
keeping our opponents confused,I see the HOF in his horizon,YEAH!!!
Genius at work

Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You know
there’s a whole other thread for comments like these.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by maestro876 on Oct 6, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know but you could only see the silver lining in so many ways
Just a reminder not to let em off the hook.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to lash out at you
but I really, really, REALLY hate when people take a picture of Norv looking frustrated on the sidelines and then act like it’s a picture of him being stupid. Has Belichick never looked frustrated on the sidelines? I’ve seen Cowher with spit all over his own face, does that make him a bad coach? If the guy’s a bad coach, show me why you think he’s a bad coach. A picture of him being frustrated does nothing to support your argument.
whew, that felt good. Sorry Gordi, I know you love using pictures and that really had nothing to do with you. I just hate when people take Norv pictures (that one is used often) and saying stuff like “genius at work”.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That reminds of listen to Chris Ello this morning
He kept bashing Norv for being a bad coach because in his press conference he was talking softly and didn’t sound fired up. He was trying to convince everyone that Norv always talks like that (especially in his pregame speeches). I’m not buying it. There’s not a human being on the planet that can be about to start a football game and talk like how Norv talks in his press conferences.
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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of the few things I picked up from training camp is that “on the field” Norv is a thousand times more amped up than “off the field” Norv. At one point he went from chewing out Clary very loudly towards the end of practice, then when he was talking to us media folks he seemed like he might fall asleep while standing up.
This is my point. If what the guy was like when he talked to the media or what he looked like on the sidelines mattered the least bit, Bill Belichick would be a terrible coach. All that matters is what’s in their brain. Norv has a good one.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to defend Norv
But I am going to say that are a number of reasons to criticize the guy for what happens on the field so I don’t see the point in trying to fire the guy based on his press conferences and sad faces.
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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude seriously this guy doesn't convince me that he has a grip on how to win,
sure we won more games in the post season but it’s getting to the point where we won’t even make it there.The broncos don’t look like they’re going to implode and the Raiders are playing much better(although they look like they might implode by weeks end) than years past,and we aren’t realistically going to think that Rivers is going to have a 4th quarter miracle every game,are we?
I see that this is the positive thread so I’ll desist on my criticism of our Norv,but the guy just doesn’t give me that confidence in him as a leader.He doesn’t have that certain quality that commands respect,ala Shanahan,Parcells,Cower,Dungy,Walsh,Belichek,etc.This matters in a supposed leader don’t you think?
Our first season under him we went 11-5 and went to the AFC championship and it was a good year I know, but those were the guys that Marty had(except for certain staff positions).Now with different guys and personnel it shows that he has a lot more work to do as a head coach to me.He just seems like he doesn’t inspire a winning attitude in the team.
I might be wrong I might be right,who knows.But ultimately it has to be a matter of me just being patient and rooting for the guys to pull through and muster up some wins and get on a roll.I just want to see us playing how I know we can,with a hunger to reach the super bowl.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn’t have that certain quality that commands respect,ala Shanahan,Parcells,Cower,Dungy,Walsh,Belichek,etc.This matters in a supposed leader don’t you think?
Every one of those guys has at least one Super Bowl ring. The same criticism Norv gets (too quiet, doesn’t have a good grip on the team), Dungy was getting before he won the big one in Indy. If the Chargers get hot in the playoffs and win the Super Bowl, suddenly Norv will be seen as a great coach by Chargers fans.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not me
I don’t think I’ll ever consider him a great coach. I’ll just be happy my team won in spite of him.
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by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
wonko
ditto if i coached sd the last 4 years i wounld won 3 super bowls
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by j-man on Oct 6, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that unfair?
To say that if we lose, it’s because of him, but if we win it’s in spite of him?
Greg Maddux for manager.
by maestro876 on Oct 6, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if they win, it’d be difficult to consider him a great coach given some of his past history. I’m willing to believe he’s a good coach, though.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 6, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many coaches have won a SB?
How many coaches have been employed in the NFL? That ratio alone should point out how special these coaches are.
You can’t win a SB every year. Personnel changes, difficult schedule, injuries all affect how a team will do, despite any action of the coaches. To me, a good coach fields and competitive team year in and year out with playoff berths being the measuring stick.
The Chargers are not the best team in the NFL. This idea that we SHOULD beat everyone is kinda insane.
This blog has devolved into UT like, uncerebral blabber
by soulSD on Oct 6, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So does that mean we have to settle for mediocrity until we luck up and find that "special coach"?
Or can we actually go out and find the guy that can be that,even if he has to take over ALL football decisions away from AJ.Or at least have a certain amount of input from him, but control the player personnel decisions.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope your right
I don’t know if it’s over excitement at the beginning of the game or lack of focus, but gates dropped an easy pass and manamaluna dropped an easy pass in the first half that would have extended drives and possibly gained significant yards which resulted in punts. Then rivers mis fired on a couple plays late in the game. The defense has been a joke so far. If we lose to denver, and from what I’ve seen so far, that’s a real possibility, then I think denver will probably win the division. who knows, maybe the high expectations has cause the team to be too tight and trying to live up to the “hype”. But I’m starting to hear the “wait till next year blues” in my head. Granted, denver could experience key injuries as we have or it coud be a fluke because they haven’t played anyone tough yet. But, the chargers have to start playing better ball if they want to be considered contenders. And, assuming they reach the playoffs (which right now I’m not) they won’t beat the steelers or patriots playing like they are right now.
by irishlad on Oct 6, 2009 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In the first four games of the season the Chargers have played 2 legitimate super bowl contenders and maybe the 4 toughest teams (in terms of beating you up at the line of scrimmage) in the league. It will get better. Be thankful that the hardest part of the schedule is in the past.
Also, there’s always going to be drops and misfires. Nobody is 100%.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope your right 2
I also thought the same thing as you. English and the other rookies are raw and if they continue to get better then the second half of the season could be exciting to watch. But, right now every game looks like a re-run of their past games. The other team marches down the field and scores. We go 3 and out on our first possession. We dig ourselves a deep hole and then have to just “chuck and duck” and pray it’s enough to pull it out of our rears. I can handle losing if we play well and the other team pulls it out, like carolina last year. But, to play like the keystone cops is gettiing old real fast. And, I’m not impressed with riveras soft zone coverage. On third and seven the defense was 20 yards off the line. A rb out of the back field easily converted the first down. I thought I saw some man coverages against the ravens and it seemed to work pretty well. But, when you basically run a “prevent” type defense as we did against the steelers, without quick pressure the qb will pick you apart all day long. If I were aj I would be looking for possible coaches to bring in. I don’t like norv and am beginning to not like rivera very much either.
by irishlad on Oct 6, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
This argument is a very good one
But for whatever reason people interpret it’s meaning as, “We are good, because we lost to good teams.” when it’s meaning is more like, “We are a work in progress, and our worst moments aren’t as bad as they seem. Stay tuned.”
That being said. If we lose to the Broncos in week 6, then the sky is falling and I won’t come to the Chargers’ defense at all.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed
unless Hochuli is directly involved….
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
even that game
was in Denver. This one is at home.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hochuli does a Bronco/Charger game anytime in the next 5 years
I’d be suprised
by Dude52089 on Oct 6, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that
The reason Manumaleuna dropped that pass was because he thought about last year, when he caught that pass against the Colts and got frontflipped, lol. By the way, I tend to get veryy nervous when Manumaleuna gets the ball for some reason.. Maybe because he’s a blocking TE and not a reciever?
by ChargersFanT.I.D. on Oct 6, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has great hands dude.
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 7, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please bench cromartie
I honestly believe putting Cromartie in the nickel package would do wonders for our defense. He’s just lost out there. Getting turned all the way around by a 36 year old receiver? He’s no where near the ball in his coverage and if he’s not getting turned around he’s holding someone. Cason is ready to go and the kid is hungry to make plays. Plus Cromartie shy’s away from contact more than any other corner that i’ve seen thus far so he’s useless in run support. The 3-4 defense is going to hurt us obviously with Jamal out for the year and it’s unrealistic to try and change to a 4-3 or something during the season, so hopefully the defensive line has some heart at some point and makes up for his absence. Its just embarrasing to get blown off the line like that every. single. stinking. play. I was pulling my hair out watching this D. Thank god for Philip Rivers and our recievers or we would be 0-4. Haven’t lost hope yet but we Reeeally need to beat Denver in week 6. Thank you for letting me vent.
by avillalobos on Oct 6, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a 50% chance
Cro will get benched in favor of Cason for the Broncos game. Of course, that means that Cro will still be out there as the nickel for half the plays, but it might send a message and it’d be a good challenge for our 2008 first round pick.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Got no problem with Cro in at nickel.
The guy is a great athlete. He just doesn’t like getting hit, and that’s a problem.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 6, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cro just needs something to push him in a positive direction
He plays like he is entitled to his position regardless of play, All in favor of moving Cro to nickel…Say I
Well, lets find out who Juju will help us deal with next
by CaDuck on Oct 6, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Cro does go to Nickel
and he does blitz, what would he do if he actually got to the QB?
by Ed in LJ on Oct 6, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he wouldn't want to hit the QB,
that might be physical contact…We all know Cro’s thoughts on that
Good question, I say he would make a deal with the opposing QB before the game that if he had an open shotat the QB, the QB would duck out of the hit or something and fall over on purpose
I do still think that Cro can be a productive member of this team, we just need to find a different way to use him for the moment until his play rebounds to an NFL level
Well, lets find out who Juju will help us deal with next
by CaDuck on Oct 6, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put Vaughn Martin at Nose Tackle
I know his quickness and athleticism makes him a potential beast at DE, but do we really need a 320 lb. DE? OG has what like half a year more experience than Martin and that was on the practice squad. Throw the big guy in the middle and let him play football. I know I make that sound easier than it really is but what do we have to lose with our current situation?
by Harsh_619 on Oct 6, 2009 11:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ogemdi has been fine at NT. They pretty much split time in the Ravens game and Nwagbuo was more consistent. They’re not holding Martin back because they’d rather play him at DE. They’re holding him back because for every good play he has, he’s lost on three other ones.
and yes, in the 3-4 you do need 320 lb. DEs.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also need a 320 lb NT.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 6, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically
you want 3 NTs
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Mt. Cody is around for us in the 2010 draft.
this guy looks like one of the most legit NT prospects to come around in a while.
by Harsh_619 on Oct 6, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which probably means he won't be
At worst, we are a 7-9 or 8-8 team. We won’t be getting any top NT prospects unless they have injury issues (like how we got our LT).
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 6, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I take this back. After checking out Scouts, Inc. he’s listed as the 39th best prospect and 6th best DT. NFLDraftCountdown has him at #15 and the 2nd best DT, but that site only count seniors for their rankings. So maybe he would be there.
The DTs ahead of him are:
Gerald McCoy (TX)
Ndamukong Suh (NE)
Marvin Austin (UNC)
Arthur Jones (Syr)
Jared Odrick (PSU)
Only the first 4 got 1st round grades.
However, Scouts, Inc mainly has problems with some technique issues and that may be something that teams overlook when they see his size and athleticism.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 9, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all of these teams switching to the 3-4, he’ll go top 10.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Oct 6, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only we had drafted Chung, or kept Charly...
Our Defense and offense would be set, Chung could play NT…I swear!
Well, lets find out who Juju will help us deal with next
by CaDuck on Oct 6, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Martin plays up to his size yet
OG has had better foot work.
Right now Martin’s size is a disadvantage. The O Line is getting him off balance then away he goes. He’s a talented guy. He will figure it out. As blown up as OG was last week at NT, overall I think OG can do a better job there right now.
A few months of alternating & situational reps, and Martin is the right guy.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 7, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say why not?
Nothing has worked so far and maybe re can make a difference against the run. We need a pass rush soooo bad. Made me sick waching Roethlesberger pump fake 3 times then hit Ward in the middle of our soft zone on third downs and have him get up and laugh all the way to their huddle. Did anyone else see this? Teams don’t laugh EVER when they play New England, or Baltimore, or Pittsburgh do they? C’mon Chargers!!!
by avillalobos on Oct 6, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The only time I ever remember Ward not laughing after a play was his fumble in week 1.
And that includes his own dropped passes. He’s a laugher/smiler. Don’t look into it any more than that.
by 'Eaters on Oct 6, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
John, good post. if anything after sunday night, i’m happier that you helped but a solid positive spin on the rest of the season. what made me happy the first time, is all of my illusions on how good i thought my team was, are gone. you are what you are. and right now we are .500 team with 12 games left to play.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
by gatesoftds on Oct 6, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hey john
u have my e-mail if u want to inview me about the den-sd next mon night u can i just think it wouild be fun for u readers to hear us break down the game a die hard broncos fan and sd fan
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 6, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It would be cool to hear some of your analysis j-ster....
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think j-man,can you stop us?

Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
last year no this year we will see on the field u are the champs unanil we beat u
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 6, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
gorditoe hope u are doing well
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 6, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just chillin right here lil homie what up with you?have you been kicking ass at madden or you've been getting your ass kicked?come on be honest...

Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a bit of both
mad 10 is the best football game i have ever played i got my settens from oper sports every game is diff some games i get my ass kicked and some i kick ass its highly accidted this year but being denver no matter how good u are u start at a diadvngte by the way den o is overrated and den d is unrated
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Oct 7, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for doing this thread
I’ve had just about as much doomsday crap as i can handle. Everyone is allowed their opinion, but just know that once we start winning again, I’m going to call each one of the haters out when they decide Norv isn’t actually all that bad.

That being said, I’ll take wonkos lead and join the emo fans if we lose to Denver in week 6.
This blog has devolved into UT like, uncerebral blabber
by soulSD on Oct 6, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So that means that whenever you have an opinion and then something happens that might change your stance or view everyone can call you out as well?
Chance favors the prepared mind.......
by Gorditoe1 on Oct 6, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Silver Lining
Like what you said. But, a wise man once said (I think it was Winston Churchill), “It’s not enough that the Chargers do well. The rest of the AFC West must fail”. That includes those insufferable Broncos. I do have a question. During the Steeler game, we had 2 defensive plays where we sacked Roethlisberger one after the other. We just barreled up the line a laid him out twice in a row. If you have the game TiVo’d, and you are able to watch them, tell me what scheme we used to accomplish that. Whatever it was, it worked, and why RR and NT didn’t keep using it is beyond me. I’d love to know if they were CALLED plays by Rivera, or if they were free-lance plays that I heard the defense was doing. Check it out if you can. Thanks.
by boltmancraft on Oct 7, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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