State of the AFC West
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 10:57 AM PDT
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PrintHello Bolts From The Bluers. Most of you know me as " 'tec". Now, apparently, I have a real name that appears next to my previous anonymous user-name. Incidentally, good news everyone!
I had the idea to do a weekly write-up on the state of our conference. For those that don't know, the Chargers play in the AFC West. This division consists of the San Diego Chargers, Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders, and Denver Broncos. What I will be doing is updating everyone on the status of the division: standings, notable good and bad performances, significant injuries, upcoming match-ups, etc. I'm just going to give it a go the first time around; everyone should add suggestions in the comment field below to make this better since site is for the fans!
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As we all painfully know, Denver is leading the division at 6-0 while the Chargers are trailing behind in second at 3-3, which is 3 games back. With 10 games to go, and both teams done with their bye, there is still significant time left for the Chargers to catchup. Of course, we all know that we came back from 3 games down with 3 games to go last season, so anything is possible. Oakland is only 4 games back and Kansas City is only 5 games back, but nobody expects them to make any noise in the division. (Sorry AP don't ban me).
DENVER BRONCOS
The Broncos were on a bye this week so there isn't much to say except that, if it is even possible, they got even healthier. The Broncos currently have no players on the injury report for their upcoming game against the Ravens. The only downside to their bye is that their schedule get's much tougher from here on out. 5 of their next 7 games are against tough opponents: @Baltimore, vs. Steelers, @Washigton, vs. San Diego, vs. New York, @KC, and @Indianapolis. That is a tough schedule for any team to play, regardless of how well they are playing. It will be tough to get out of that stretch with a winning record and a healthy roster. The Chargers, on the other hand, have a much easier schedule. Here is a look at the Broncos' injury report.
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Another team's recent exploits that Charger fans are familiar with is the Kansas City Chiefs. As we saw, the Chiefs aren't doing anything well. Things aren't clicking on offense or defense. Matt Cassel isn't panning out so far to what the Chiefs had hoped; the argument could be made that the players around him aren't very good, but his play isn't helping matters. It appears as if he is the "system QB" that everyone thought he was, surrounded by excellent players. Only time will tell. The running game, with Jamaal Charles and Larry Johnson, isn't doing much either. Add in the "twittergate" message from Johnson criticizing his coach, who knows how much longer he'll be around. This is compounded by injuries to the offensive line. The Chiefs only scored once on Sunday, to WR Dwayne Bowe, the only bright spot on the team it seems. Center Rudy Niswanger was injured during our game last Sunday and looks to be out for week 9. Left tackle Branden Albert had to sit out the game against the Chargers as well. The good thing is, the Chiefs are on a bye this week, so they will have time to rest and heal up. The bad news is, they still have 9 games to play.
OAKLAND RAIDERS
The losers of 11 or more games over the past 6 seasons look like they will continue that streak. The Raiders can look decent one game and then look like absolute crap the next. Their game on Sunday represented one of the later. The Raiders got pasted 38-0 playing at home against the New York Jets in a game that was blacked out because they failed to sell out the game. Raiders fans are usually pretty loyal, so it says a lot that the Raiders are so bad that even Raider fans can't watch them. Most of this has to do with the horrific play of former first round draft pick Jamarcus Russell. In fact, he played so poorly in the first half of the game (2 INTs and a lost fumble), he was benched and replaced by journeyman Bruce Gradkowski. Speaking of first round picks, brilliant selection Darrius Heyward-Bey continued his ho-hum season with 2 catches for 28 yards. It isn't pretty on the defensive side of the ball either; the Raiders gave up 447 yards of offense including a whopping 316 yards on the ground. Chaz Schilens, a SDSU product WR whom the Raiders had high hopes for, has been sidelined the whole season, while other injuries to the offensive line have weakened the run offense. However, the Raiders problems run much deeper than injuries, as it is painfully obvious to everyone in the NFL except for a few lone stragglers.
SAN DIEGO CHARGERS
I don't need to rehash anything about the Chargers so I will focus on our next division match-up which is of course the Oakland Raiders, this Sunday, at Qualcomm stadium. Of the aforementioned games where the Raiders looked decent, the Chargers game on MNF to open the season was one of them. The Raiders played us tough on both sides of the ball which resulted in numerous Charger injuries and a close call in Oakland. Fortunately, I don't think our 13th straight win over the Raiders will be as tough as the 12th. For one, the Raiders always play us tough at home and struggle at Qualcomm. Second, LT and Sproles are both healthy and the Raiders run defense is struggling mightily. The Chargers are going to continue to use the run game, especially since the Raiders have a decent secondary. Third, I don't think the Raiders will play with the same intensity they did the first time around. This team has been beaten down all season, gotten pushed around at home and on the road, and are coming off the Jets game in which they scored zero points and their starting QB was benched. Additionally, the Charger pass rush and defensive line play has looked much improved over the last two games. Raiders coach Tom Cable has said that Jamarcus Russell will start on Sunday; he is terribly inaccurate with all day in the pocket, if the Chargers put pressure on him I expect a game similar to the one Matt Cassel managed against us last Sunday. For the first time in awhile, the Chargers are mostly healthy except for All-Pro center Nick Hardwick, who is expected back in December.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Bruce Gradkowski!
…..what are we doing?
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
spelling
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha
Great post, BTW. Rec’d. Glad to have a weekly post here to keep everyone abreast of what the rest of the division is up to.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody said anything about breasts.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You just did.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Breast Grabowski?
That’s assault, brother.
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by Axion on Oct 27, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
When he comes in on Sunday
I will refer to him only as Breast Grabkowski. Because that, sir, is amazing.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm waiting for Chuck Fry
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
a friend of mine met ol’ bruce at a hotel in Tampa. he asked her if she likes to party.
by BORTZ on Oct 27, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahahahaha
funny
"Get on board early," Black said, alluding to, what he feels, is a crop of up-and-coming players.
"I would tell those fans that we're going to play good baseball. We're going to play hard. We're going to have exciting young players..." -Bud Black
Good job Tec.
You get a rec.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 27, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions
Fun Darrius Heyward-Bey fact
Michael Crabtree has more catches (5) than him (4). What makes it more fun? Crabtree has been thrown at 6 times and Heyward-Bey has been thrown at 25 times. That’s a catch percentage of a whopping 16%.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but....
have you seen DHB’s 40 time?
Alex Smith>JaMarcus Russell
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
how many balls has DHB dropped? Hacksaw keeps screaming about double-digit drops, but if there’s anything I learned it’s never trust Hacksaw’s stats. I know DHB has horrid hands but still …
He also falls down a lot and those don't get counted as drops
I’m not sure which is worse. I think the 4 catches in 25 passes says enough.
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Is anyone actually surprised by DHB's horrid play?
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by Richard Wade on Oct 27, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Al Davis is.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 28, 2009 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Al Davis thinks he's having a pro-bowl season.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 28, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm surprised that its this bad
He was a big time overdraft, but he was considered a legit 1st round pick. At worst I expected Buster Davis bad where he couldn’t get on the field, but this is Bozo the Clown bad.
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I thought he was projected to go 2nd round.
Though I have little to no memory of the pre-draft hype.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 28, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Depends on where you cut off pre-draft hype
If you don’t include the Raiders infatuation with him he was usually ranked as the #3 WR behind Maclin, but ahead of Hakeem Nicks (and Percy Harvin was in that same area, but no one was really sure what position he was). Nicks was seen as a borderline first rounder and so I guess you could say Heyward-Bey’s chances (Raider’s desires excluded) of being a first round pick were reliant on how many teams wanted to go WR. His grade on Scouts, Inc was 90 (Crabtree: 96; Maclin: 95), which would signify borderline first round. Most mocks had him in the 1st due to team needs for WRs.
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Hindsight's 20/20.
Crabtree has looked good since he stopped pouting and got on the field, Maclin looks legit, Nicks is a darn good player from what I’ve seen, and I just like Harvin because I have somewhat of a hard-on for do-it-all players.
I can’t believe DHB was considered a first-rounder; one comment on a Terps board was particularly telling— “If he can learn to catch, he’ll be a beast.”
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Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 28, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently KC is a summer camp
and they sent Larry Johnson home.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 12:28 PM PDT reply actions
More like to the Principal's office
Gooddell is going to come down really hard on LJ. I wouldn’t be surprised at an 8 game or full season suspension.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be good news for KC.
Jamaal Charles > Larry Johnson, at least this year’s Larry.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 27, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
It’s kind of a tallest midget contest with their OL.
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Charles certainly looked better than Johnson against us.
It would be good news for KC because anyone questioning a first-year head coach is going to cause problems.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, okay
I just mean that in the grand scheme of things, I don’t think who is at RB will really impact the W-L column for the Chiefs.
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I love....
how the Chargers being “mostly healthy” is still followed by the longest injury report of any AFC West team. And I completely agree with it too.
If the Chargers make the playoffs this year, AJ Smith deserves a lot of credit. This team is getting contributions from a lot of guys that Smith plucked out of thin air right now (Nwagbuo, Boone, Scott, Tolbert, Mruczkowski, Dombrowski). Not to mention the guys that have been contributing for a few years now that nobody knew about (Dielman, Gates, Dobbins, Cooper, etc.).
Is it possible to field an NFL team of 21 undrafted free agents and Philip Rivers and still make the playoffs? We may one day find out.
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Not sure if I'd call Boone and Scott thin air
They are Rivera guys. That probably means something.
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You're Right
Nwagbuo and Tolbert are looking fantastic though.
Also, in a point that has gone unmentioned, Travis Johnson and Jacques Cesaire both looked pretty good against the Chiefs.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Basically
It seems that being able to rotate in and out all these big men somewhat replaces what Jamal can do. If you leave in all on Nwagbuo (like we did against the Steelers) or any one other guy, that guy won’t hold up. But, if you keep them fresh then they can make enough plays to keep the other team from killing us in the run game.
Either than or the Chiefs really, really, really suck at running the ball.
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The Chiefs do really, really suck at running the ball.
But Denver doesn’t, and we kept them from running wild.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 27, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Both of Wonko’s points are valid. I had a quote up here somewhere last week from Luis Castillo saying that the extra bodies not only keep him fresher, but when he’s on the field he feels he can try harder because he won’t be out there for every play of a 10-play drive. If he gets tired, somebody else will come in for him.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually stole those points from somewhere
I just can’t remember where.
But, basically, that’s the modern NFL (perhaps modern professional sports in general). You just don’t have many guys that can play every minute and get better production than if they got some rest and had a backup fill in for a bit.
In fact, you can even go back to the offseason argument about Peterson being better than LT was, but LT never came out of games back in 2001-2004, AP splits time with Chester Taylor and comes out on a lot of passing downs.
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Chester Taylor also let's balls go right through his hands and cost me $100
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Taylor himself was a 1,000 yard back
before AP came along. Which makes you wonder how much of it is Peterson and how much is the Vikings’ monster o-line.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 27, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That only makes sense
Until you watch AP play. He does some of the stuff that Tomlinson used to do where you’d hand it off to him on a passing down and he’d pick up the first down and more usually by shedding tacklers that would get your normal RB. Or he gets stuffed at the line and bounces outside to get an even bigger run. There is a certain set of athletic ability and football awareness that allows a player to do that.
I’m just pointing out that in the modern NFL, there is a different standard because guys are constantly fresher (faster, more explosive, less fatigued), but they also sit out more plays than their earlier counterparts which requires a certain set of depth that wasn’t available in the past. Especially RBs and DLs.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's definitely a valid point.
And I agree with it. I was just pointing out the Chiefs do in fact suck.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 27, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Dielman and Gates
Guys who have been contributing for a few years that no one knew about?
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 27, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Beat me to it.
Otherwise, I think John’s right. Props to AJ for seeing those guys when nobody else did, though.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 27, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Poorly worded
Nobody knew about them when they were acquired.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Another quibble
Dobbins was actually drafted unlike those other guys.
I actually really liked Dobbins’ numbers at the combine. He was one of the fastest guys for his size at LB. I suspect other teams liked them too, but didn’t like his tackling ability so he slid until late in the draft.
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If you're around Wonko
I’d love to hear your thoughts on a possible Adrian trade to the Red Sox. I wrote a fanpost about it over at GLB.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It'll have to be when I get home
IT is only letting me slack off on BFTB these days and has GLB off limits. Can’t figure out why (I think the blocking software thinks that site is porn, it is very confused).
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Dolphin Porn
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool thanks.
Weird, considering both are SBNation sites.
Quick aside, would you be in favor, against, or ambivalent?
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 27, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Against
very very against. I put up a comment on GLB the other day that quickly summarized my thoughts. I’ve yet to see a trade proposal that would actually make the Padres better in 2010 or beyond.
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To me, it comes down to two questions.
Can you re-sign him after 2011?
Can we realistically compete for a title by then?
If the answer is yes to both, then you clearly keep him. If it’s no to both, then you clearly trade him now while his value is at its highest. Once you start mixing yes and no is when it gets difficult to decide. If you think you can re-sign him but not be competitive, is it worth having one player take up half your payroll? If you can’t re-sign him but are going to be competitive, would the players we would get in a trade contribute less, more, or equally?
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 27, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Very Good Logic, maestro
I follow you, and that makes sense; but my heart says don’t trade Adrian! — Fan favorite, and who knows what’s going to happen in 2010, let alone 2011…?… I know it’s riskier (he could get hurt, his production could drop off, etc.), but I’d at least wait until July of ’10 to see where we are then, if not 2011 before the trade deadline.
That's fine
so long as you realize July of 2011 will be his lowest value, because the team getting him would be getting him for three months at most.
We're boned.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 27, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I didn’t know that, since he’s been working his was up the roster since being drafted.
5th round pick from Iowa State. Learn something new every day.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 27, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha! My draft nerdiness surpasses yours!
I was curious why he was a 5th rounder (as opposed to a higher pick), so I looked up his draft profile from 2006.
Strengths Possesses a good combination of size and straight-line speed. Reads keys quickly, rarely takes false steps and takes the shortest path to the ball when defending the run. Plays with a non-stop motor, is relentless in pursuit and generally does a good job of closing down cutback lanes. Plays with a mean streak and shows adequate upper-body power. Squares shoulders to ball carrier, generally wraps up upon contact and is a strong open field tackler. Gets adequate depth in zone coverage and flashes the ability to make the big hit over the middle.
Weaknesses Possesses good size but lacks ideal lower-body strength. Plays with a narrow base and has trouble disengaging from blocks once locked on. He tries to run around too many blocks rather than taking some on, which leads to him getting out of position at times. Doesn’t use hands well and takes too long to shed blocks once reached. Possesses good straight-line speed but is a bit too much of a straight-line player. Has problems changing directions quickly, doesn’t explode out of cuts and lacks ideal man-to-man cover skills. Doesn’t show great instincts in coverage, can be overaggressive and is vulnerable to play action as well as pump fakes.
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Sam tec
Sounds like something from EVE Online.
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Great review Tec
Like the organization and how it is short and sweet.
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hold the freakin' phone
WE PLAY IN THE AFC WEST?!
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by LJbumfool on Oct 27, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions
a quick thank you
since I’ve been reading the posts on this site I can’t begin to tell how much ived learned about players/teams/draft info. thanks for all the great info and amazing loyalty to our beloved Chargers.
by skberry64 on Oct 27, 2009 2:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I don't even know who Nick Grieson is! lol
You still underestimate the Broncos…even after the MNF game?
The Chargers have some serious problems on defense…they are reminding me of the Broncos defense last year. Your team is in trouble…you can beat up on worthless teams like the Chefs, but what are you going to do against an opponent that can move the ball effectively?
That five game stretch you referred too. You’ll be surprised. This isn’t your 2008 Cutler-led Bronocos. Even I, the great Bronco homer, am surprised by the toughness of this team. The Chargers need to fire the soft Norv Turner and rehire the tough Marty.
The only guy on your team I respect now is Phyllis…err, Phillip Rivers. Yes, I am taking the Phyllis moniker off as I talk about him now. He has proven to be a star…in spite of his dorky looks. ;-) Without him, the Chargers are easily 1-5 or worse. I know you have other talented guys on your team, but I’m not impressed. Maybe Antonio Gates, but even he gets more credit than he deserves.
We’ll see how the season shakes loose, but I don’t think the Broncos collapse this year…that’s a Jay Cutler trait. If it’s close, then we still have all of the tie breakers right now…Cincy, NE, you…we get the Ravens next.
PS I hate Sproles….hate him(if he wasn’t such a thorn in my side, I wouldn’t care. lol)
rec’d…for its about as honest as one could be towards a hated rival. kudos.
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To the head honcho here...
Paper Tiger. ;-)
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este vato.....come mierda hijo de tu perra vida....good luck to you and your Broncos sir.....:)
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Why are there still Broncos fans here whining about how good there team is?
Isn’t it enough satisfaction that they beat the Chargers? Because, you are still walking around like you have an inferiority complex. Enjoy your win, 6-0 should make you happier than picking at other people’s opinions of your team.
And, FYI, I still “underestimate” the Broncos. Especially after that MNF game. I didn’t learn anything there I didn’t know already.
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I'm sorry you felt I was whining. lol
See you in a few weeks…
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Here's what your post sounded like to me
You can read it back and tell me where I was lead astray.
“C’mon guys, my team is really good. Why can’t you see it? Just get over what happened last year. C’mon, that with Cutler. Everyone knows he’s no good. I’m going to give you some token respect while still trying to point that my team is really good, but you guys won’t say it. Whoops, I’m going to slip up and dis a player that doesn’t need to be dissed. rec’d. I hope this seemed like I don’t truly hate you all.”
Pretty whiny.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well, you know
The only reason Denver fell apart at the end of last year was Cutler, and it certainly had nothing to do with 21 other players on the field, much less coaches and such.
But they got rid of a lot of people, and this is the NFL, and winning teams always keep winning, right?
Oh, maybe not.
You make a good point in there
Zappa focused on the Cutler factor…he would be the primary offensive reason for failure, but I put the EPIC FAIL of a final three games we had last year on our defense / coaching. It was just horrible football and was a tough time to be a Bronco fan.
I don’t think we are over confident and I KNOW our team isn’t over confident…McDaniels is good about keeping the “one game at a time” and “we haven’t earned anything yet” kind of mentality from what I see.
Like Zappa, I’m fairly confident we won’t have a collapse this year like we did last year. That being said, I can step back and see where you guys would still doubt this team…until the season ends and we have a year worth of info for you, I wouldn’t expect you to take us seriously. I look forward to seeing you guys in a few weeks though so we can put a nail in the coffin.
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This comment feels like it belongs on a Broncos blog
Not sure how it got here.
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by Wonko on Oct 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Buster freaking Davis...He finally gets healthy,
Then will surely be hospitalized for years with a runny nose
On Halloween; USC will die, Matt Barkley will cry, and all of the little bandwagoning Trojan fans will shout "WHY!?"
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Here's
to the Baltimore ravens on Sunday, please break out of you 3 game skid and beat the broncos. Signed charger fan.
by GABOLT on Oct 27, 2009 7:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
go ravens/steelers
agreed. It would be nice if the ravens and steelers can beat the broncos, seeing how they already beat us. i don’t think the broncos offense is as high powered as ours, but they can run the ball and orton doesn’t force it in there. he takes what you give him. Now, if denver should get far enough behind, that might change. But, denvers defense is definetly better than ours has been. I could see the broncs beating the ravens. Now, the steelers? That’s another question. They look good one week and beatable the next. The steelers probably played their best game all year against us. and, the steelers don’t have a very good record in denver. So, that one could go either way.
Pittsburgh worries me more
but I am glad it is played at Mile High. That should even things out for us. Man I hate it when we play in Pittsburgh…it is like Arrowhead from the 90s…
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Great write up, rec’d. Your assessments are fair, in my opinion. Do you do this on any kind of schedule or is it sporadic? I’d love to read more of these if you do them weekly.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 28, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Awesome man.
Lookin forward to these.
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great job
rec’d son.
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