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In Green Bay, the Packers had to choose between Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers at quarterback. Green Bay made the unpopular choice and kept the younger player. In San Diego, the Chargers had to choose between LaDainian Tomlinson and Michael Turner at running back. San Diego made the popular choice and kept the older player.
The Packers were criticized. The Chargers were not. In hindsight, the Packers made the correct football decision. The Chargers did not.
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John (obviousman)
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Anyone who says they would have kept Turner over LT
after 2007 when LT lead the league in rushing yards and TDs for the second straight year is a liar. Or a terrible GM. No one expected LT to repeat 2006, but it was absolutely reasonable and smart to expect the 2005/2007 LT to show up again. That he would get hurt and have a lingering injury all the following year was nothing anyone could have predicted.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 8:45 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed in hind sight the guy can make this statement
At the time there were plenty of people questioning GB. I was questioning GB. They lucked out that Rodger was as good as they thought he was.
Maybe we didn’t play Turner’s situation as well as we could have. But LT had just set the single season TD scoring record. What are we gonna do cut him? Heck no.
It would be nice to still have the Burner though….
by Trendsearcher on Oct 27, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The better argument is that Turner should’ve been franchised, then following 2008 he could’ve been signed long-term after LT renegotiated his deal.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Axion on Oct 27, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Really, really dumb since Turner's averaging 3.2 YPC.
by fwedo on Oct 27, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That stat is at least somewhat affected by his 7 TDs.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really really dumb considering all of LT's production this season
Oh wait…LT has not produced anything this year!
I am not an LT hater, but Turner is claerly the better back at this point in their careers
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by CaDuck on Oct 27, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the kind of writing
That will keep you at the Dallas Morning News. To prove he is even more of a dildo, he titles one paragraph with If the Super Bowl were played tomorrow, and then goes on to explain
The two most efficient quarterbacks in the game (Peyton Manning and Drew Brees) would square off, and Manning would be playing against his hometown team. Not only would this be a great game, it’d be the best story line.
Can Someone tell Rick Gosselin how the NFC/AFC thing works in the superbowl. Also pay Kate her child support.
This blog has devolved into UT like, uncerebral blabber
by soulSD on Oct 27, 2009 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Strangely enough
I had a friend who suggested this very thing back in 2007. He is a cowboys fan and was doing it to get a rise out of us Chargers fans, but it did make me think for a second.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 27, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Chargers were averaging way under 3 YPC without LT. He’s not what he used to be, but he’s far from done. The OL really needs to put it together, though, or he will end up with his first sub-1000yd season.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 27, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupid considering they made the unpopular Rivers over Brees decision the year earlier.
by JollyWaffle on Oct 27, 2009 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow ... hindsight
And if a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his ass every time he jumped.
I wish MT all of the success in the world. Let’s see how durable he is when used at the pace that LT has been used.
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by Buck Melanoma on Oct 27, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we want to become the team that
is always shipping out our veteran talent who may be nearing the end of the road? The team that alwats gets rid of a guy a year to early rather than a year too late? There is a certain mercenary feeling to that that I don’t really like. On the other hand, we would be a lot better off with Turner right now than LT.
by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 27, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would very much like to be that team.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 27, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn’t that team the Patriots? I don’t know anybody else who operates like that.
The Eagles try to be like that, but then they keep on bringing people like Trotter back far past their expiration date.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. That team is the Patriots.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 27, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’d like 3 Super Bowl victories too.
The Patriots turned Richard Seymour (who they were going to cut) into a 1st round draft pick. The Chargers turned Michael Turner into nothing at all.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just a first round draft pick
A likely high first round draft pick.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost like Al Davis wants the Patriots to be great.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I think before the deadline we should have tried to trade for Seymour.
Davis would have given him to us for a 4th rounder!
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure the Chargers are at a severe disadvantage to the Patriots because Al Davis is at least awake enough to know not to trade to a division rival.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure we got a supplemental draft pick
Which isn’t much, but still not “nothing”
by matto619 on Oct 27, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Annoying post...
QUESTION: Im just curious, Didnt really follow the Turner trade but who did the Chargers think was gonna be their next RB when they let Turner go? I mean no one really knew he was gonna be that good, well maybe they did beng that Turner was mentored by LT all those years… But still.
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 27, 2009 11:19 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I meant Turner Story
" A finger or two in the air shows how much we care"
by ChargersWitch on Oct 27, 2009 11:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
We knew Turner was going to be good
but expected above average production out of LT for several more years.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They weren’t concerned with the next RB. They still had LT.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they try to keep Turner at least?
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 27, 2009 12:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No
That’s where the criticism is deserved. There’s one of two reasons why this happened…
1) There was a handshake deal with Turner before the 2007 season that he would be allowed to go into free agency without a fuss, but he wasn’t allowed to bitch about his lack of touches during the season.
2) They really didn’t want to pay the increased cost for Turner, not even for one year.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I think the idea of having Turner as their #1 RB scared them because he’s not exactly known for having great hands or being a good pass-blocker.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turner would have disappointed us
Turner gets his yards and TDs because the Falcons are dedicated to the run to a point of stubbornness. He also benefited last year from an offensive line that didn’t have a lot of injuries and was running new blocking schemes that no one had film on. If he had stayed a Charger he would have run behind the same lines that LT ran behind. The only argument I could see in favor of Turner is that he is less likely to have suffered the sort of injuries that LT suffered. But, basically LT had been one of the healthiest backs in the league and nothing other than his age pointed to him getting hurt in the future. On top of that with the LT situation at least the Chargers were be able to restructure his contract after suffering some injuries, whereas Turner would only be on the second year of his big deal and even if he got hurt I don’t think he would have been willing to restructure.
I personally think the decision was six in one hand, half a dozen in the other.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I also point out 2009 season production so far
Turner: -18 Rushing DYAR
LT: -19 Rushing DYAR
Although LT does have -65 Receiving DYAR. What’s up with that? Oh I guess he fumbled on a reception and has only caught half his targets. Michael Turner has been targeted on less than 5 passes. That wouldn’t fly in the Chargers offense.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
We need our backs to be wide receivers too.
Depending on what, if any, FAs we sign this off-season, I’d expect us to pick a RB relatively high.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really in our best interest
In all likelihood a 1st round RB won’t outperform Sproles/LT. I guess they’d be cheaper. I’d rather bring one or both back and get a 3rd round RB or something. I only see the point of drafting a RB in the first if you are really sold that he is a durable, all-purpose, franchise back. And I don’t expect the Chargers to pick high enough to get that type of guy or that a RB like that is in this next draft.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
A big concern for me. There are no RBs good enough in the first round of the upcoming draft.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there usually isn't
I just peaked at all the RBs who finished with 100 or more DYAR last year (there were 18 of them). 7 of them (33%) were picked in the first round (D. Williams, T. Jones, C. Johnson, L. White, R. Brown, Peterson, Stewart) and one of those is a veteran who bounced around before becoming a top RB (T. Jones). Basically, my point is that most of the top RBs don’t come from the first round, so why bother when we have some capable backs or can look for them in later rounds and really need the OL to get better anyway?
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, I put 33% when I thought there were six, but then I included T. Jones
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that I said this the other day
& got somewhat panned for it. To use a 1st day pick on a RB is a very suspect tactic unless you either a)are going for a very elite prospect or b0have a surplus of day one picks.
We need the athletic fat guys for both trenches first.
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by Buck Melanoma on Oct 28, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on where we pick
and what off-season moves we make. If we move Merriman and turn him into a 1st and 2nd or two 3rds, then we could be in a position to pick relatively high, and even move up it we wanted to. I think it’s obvious defensive line will be our priority, so we may use whatever extra picks (if any) to move up and ensure the selection of a choice nose tackle.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Merriman and turn him into a 1st and 2nd or two 3rds”
Whoa, who is living in a dream world?
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before
you told me you didn’t think giving him an RFA tender would be enough to keep him, meaning someone would give us at least a 1st and 3rd for him.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine it depends
on whether or not he comes on and finishes the year strong.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
That would be the dream world I am referring to.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think he'll get back to form by the end of the season?
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen nothing that would make me believe that to be true
So it would be some sort of blind faith to believe such a thing at this point and that’s not really my forte.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha all right then.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 27, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that before the season started?
Because I suspect teams have been watching how he has played this year.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turner has a LOT less catches, but 7 TDs.
The difference between Turner and LT is simple for me. LT was a dynamic back because you never knew where he was running or what he was doing. Now he’s less dynamic because he’s mostly running up the middle, not being able to make it around the corner. If you’re going to have a RB like that, you might as well have one with lots of power and blazing speed that can get those final 2 yards.
Still, I agree with your initial point that he wouldn’t have been as successful with the Chargers. And I don’t think they would’ve liked having a RB that can’t really catch the ball. I think everyone just wishes we could look back at Turner and say “well, at least we got a first round pick for him.”
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I follow why the 7 TDs are important.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More goal line carries make his YPC lower? I don’t know, it made more sense before you started questioning it.
In reality, I think I was just trying to point out that I’d take LT’s YPC if it came with the nose for the end zone that Turner still seems to have.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convinced there is a "nose for the end zone"
So much as there is better blocking for one than the other. LT’s nose for the end zone was an All Star schnoz in 2006 and was still above average in 2007. Whereas last Sunday it wasn’t about finding a hole because his OL was missing blocks that put 300 lb defenders on top of him. The argument for the goal line carries makes sense unless you realize that LT keeps getting stuffed and maybe Turner is getting in on the first try. If that were the case then LT’s YPC would suffer and MT’s wouldn’t. The DVOA would take that into account anyway since getting stuffed counts as failures and TDs would be successes.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy to saw now...
Tomlinson was 28 at the time, and had suffered only one serious injury.
No one could have predicted his nagging injuries in 08, not to mention that the problems and injuries on defense would limit his opportunities.
As for Turner, he’s a great downhill runner, but his hands are suspect and he never has been the multi-threat that LT has been.
Personally, I’m getting annoyed with everyone taking shots at LT. At the very least, he’s the best all-purpose runner since Marshall Faulk, and certainly in the discussion among the 10-15 best runners ever.
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by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Oct 27, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In any case...
Gosselin presents a classic “straw man” argument.
The best comparision with Favre vs. Rodgers is probably the Montana vs. Young debate from 1992. Hell, even Brees vs. Rivers is a better comparision.
Gosselin also fails to mention a major reason for the debate among Packers fans: Rodgers had injury problems in each of his 1st 2 preseasons, and many observers didn’t think Rodgers could survuve a 16-game season. As far as that goes, they might be right, considering the number of sacks Rodgers has taken this season behind Green Bay’s O-Line.
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by Jeff (sliderockmpc) on Oct 27, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Where the hell did you come from?
Your analysis is always too good and accurate to be true!
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by CaDuck on Oct 27, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 27, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by Gorditoe1 on Oct 28, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bolts From The Blue ::Chargers Football For Witches::
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 28, 2009 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Is there a place on the internet where I can buy a few more of you to come and write intelligent FanPosts and comments every day?
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 28, 2009 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
norv and aj should be fired and we should switch to a 4-3
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 28, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we should still have Breeeeeeees.
We're boned.
by maestro876 on Oct 28, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pick up FA'S and LT is not over the hill,and john should buy us lunch and a round of Fat Tire...blah blah blah
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by Gorditoe1 on Oct 28, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cromartie to safety
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by Wonko on Oct 28, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
screw Cromartie to safety. Osgood to safety.
by BORTZ on Oct 28, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jammer = Ronnie Lott
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 28, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the chargers should
move dielman to DT after they convert to a 4-3. no way does jammer play safety.
by BORTZ on Oct 28, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, cut Clary and throw to Chambers more
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by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 29, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd, by the way
because your argument destroys.
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by John (obviousman) on Oct 28, 2009 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly if you have to choose between two great players - either choice will be wrong
Notice how in each of those situations health factors in?
Brees vs. Rivers
Favre vs. Rodgers
Tomlinson vs. Turner
At the time the decisions had to be made, the teams had incomplete information about the player’s health. It could very well have been that Brees’ shoulder didn’t heal well, or that Turner or Rodgers went down. There is not way to tell what the correct call will be real time.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 28, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When dealing with RB's you always pick the younger one when the talent is similar
Obviously this wasn’t just any RB this was greatest RB in franchise history, so this decision just couldn’t be handled in cold efficient way. No GM in the league with exception Belichick could have taken Turner over LT and survived the public backlash. Even Ted Thompson had the excuse the Favre retired first and that the Packers had moved on.
Everybody has 20/20 in hindsight, it is what it is.
by TJBOLT on Oct 29, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh uh, TJBOLT
I think A.J. Smith hacked into your account and posted a comment on BFTB as you.
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