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Game Preview: San Diego Chargers at Kansas City Chiefs

Another week, another preview.  This one should be significantly more optimistic than the past few, though.  It's no secret that I think these two Kansas City Chiefs games this season will be easy wins for the San Diego Chargers.  I don't buy into the mystique and I don't buy into last year's close games determining how these games will go.

Last year's Chargers games were perfect mis-matches for the Chiefs.  Clinton Hart couldn't come close to covering Tony Gonzalez (nobody on the Chargers' D could), when Mark Bradley was hot was when Antonio Cromartie was having trouble staying with fast receivers downfield and Dwayne Bowe took advantage of the Chargers' weaknesses at Safety.  More than anything, though, Tyler Thigpen and that Pistol offense worked wonders against the Bolts' defense that, in all honesty, isn't very fast and didn't throw a lot of complicated pre-snap looks at the rookie QB.

This year I think things are different.  The only real receiving threat on the team is Bowe.  He'll probably get his numbers, but if you shut down the rest of their receivers the Chiefs will have a difficult time putting together long drives.  And here's a big kicker.....with a QB that holds onto the ball too long and an offensive line that's struggling, the Chargers might actually get a pass rush.

A full breakdown of the game and stats is after the jump.

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When the Chiefs have the ball

After bringing in Todd Haley to coach and Matt Cassel to lead the offense, the Chiefs were hoping to spread things out and create a pass-first attack similar to Arizona's.  That hasn't worked out too well thusfar, mostly because the Chiefs don't have the weapons to "spread things out" and the running game has offered no help in bringing opposing Safeties up for help.

Kansas City's offense ranks 30th in the league in offensive yards per game and 25th in points per game.  There are some bright spots, like the 9th ranked Time of Possession, but then there are some not-so-bright spots like having the 4th most fumbles in the league.  The biggest problem with the Chiefs offense, because they only have one true offensive weapon, is third downs.  Their 21% conversion rate on third downs is not only dead last in the league, it is significantly lower than the third down conversion rate of the 31st ranked team (OAK - 26%).  This is great news for the Chargers, who have struggled to get off the field because of poor play on third down.

KC's running game ranks 25th in the league in yards per game and 26th in the league in yards per carry.  The Matt Cassel-led passing offense ranks 27th in the league in yards per game, but they have more passing TDs than the Chargers do (7).  As was illustrated in the Arrowhead Pride post I linked to earlier this week, Cassel's weakness remains his inability (or unwillingness) to throw the ball downfield.  The Chief's passing game ranks 25th in plays of 20+ yards and 16th in plays of 40+ yards. 

In the preseason I pointed to the extraordinary number of times Cassel was sacked as the Patriots QB as evidence that he held onto the ball too long.  This season that same issue has been paired with a bad offensive line, leading to 22 sacks on the Chief's signal-caller.  That ties for second in the league with the Lions and behind only the Packers.  Considering the Chargers face neither of those teams this year, this is going to be the best opportunity for players like Larry English, Shaun Phillips and Shawne Merriman to get to the QB and pad their stats.

On the season, the Bolts rank 23rd in yards allowed per game and 28th in points allowed per game.  They're allowing 141 rushing yards per game, good for 27th in the league.  The passing defense has been solid though, ranking 13th in the league in yards allowed.  Although the team's 7 sacks makes them the 29th best team (or 3rd worst) in the league on the pass-rush, the secondary's strong play has put them among the top 10 teams in 40+ yard passing plays allowed and 20+ yard passing plays allowed. 

Advantage: Chargers. This will not be the game where Matt Cassel finds his down-field touch.  Quentin Jammer and Kevin Ellison should spend a lot of time double-teaming Dwayne Bowe to keep him in check.  I'm hopeful that the Bolts get Cassel to the ground at least a couple of times, which should hopefully turn into a turnover or two.  If the Chiefs find a way to consistently grind out long-drives and score TDs against the Chargers, I will be very surprised.

 

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When the Chargers have the ball

After their best game of the season against the Broncos, the Chargers' offensive ranks remain relatively the same.  They're still in the middle of the pack in terms of offensive yards (14th), towards the top in terms of points per game (9th), struggling with the running game (32nd in rushing yards per game and yards per carry) and awesome with the passing game (5th in passing yards per game).  The pass protection hasn't been great, especially at Center and RB, but Philip Rivers has done enough to make that group only 10th worst in terms of sacks allowed.

The Chargers are in trouble if the Chiefs are having success rushing the passer, and have tall cornerbacks to cover the Chargers' tall receivers.  The 29th ranked defense for yards allowed per game isn't promising, and neither is being 24th in point allowed per game.  KC is ranked 25th in passing yards allowed, but they have faced some pretty tough passing offenses already this season.  What really gets me excited for this matchup is that Rivers may actually get the chance to throw the ball consistently without having to run for his life.  KC's pass rush has yielded only 9 sacks, putting them one ranking spot better than the Bolts.

Also, and this may sound foolish, I'm expecting a big game from LaDainian Tomlinson.  Essentially, LT has been healthy and used in only two games this season.  I know we're 2-3, but everyone here knows how much I worry about LT's mileage.  I think the rest has been good for him and I do think he looked like an effective RB against the Broncos (4th best run defense in the league).  The Chiefs' are ranked 25th in terms of rushing yards allowed per game, and RBs are averaging 4.5 yards per carry against them this season.  They have allowed four rushes for over 20 yards this season, which is nearly one per game and makes them 10th worst in the league for that statistic (for the record, the Charger have allowed only two 20+ yard rushes, tying them for 19th worst).  I think LT is out to prove to himself, the league, the fans and especially the coaching staff that he's healthy and should be the main RB in this offense at all times.  I'm not saying I'm expecting 200 yards and 3 TDs, but 100+ and a score would go a long way towards a victory.

Advantage: Chargers. This is a no-brainer.  One of the better offenses in the league against one of the worst defenses in the league.  Even if the Chargers' D isn't up to the task of shutting down the Chiefs' offense, the Bolts should be able to easily out-pace KC in a shootout.

 

With four WRs that are over 6'2", one thing that I've been looking at every week is the height of opposing CBs.  The defenses that the Chargers have struggled against (Raiders, Broncos-2nd half, etc.) have been ones with at least 2 CBs of 6' or taller.  If all of your CBs are 5'10" or shorter, there will be some 7" mismatches that can't be overlooked.  Let's look at the Chiefs' secondary:

Not bad height on their secondary.  I'm sure Rivers will attack Flowers whenever he's up against Vincent Jackson or Malcom Floyd, but that probably won't be often.  Still, I think the Chargers' gameplan going into this game should be able ball control and instilling confidence back to the running game.  If it's not working, Rivers can win the game by himself like he always does against the Chiefs.

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Wishful thinking....

I still think we have time to turn the season around and make a run but it has to start this Sunday. If the Bolts can go 5-1 vs the West like last year and win a couple non division games down the stretch we’ll be in the mix come december… Does Norv have any faith in LT?? It’s so disappointing to see a healthy LT sidelined in the 2nd half because of Norv (or is AJ tellin Norv to use Sproles more? who knows..) I’m a big fan of Sproles as well but LT is healthy- he should be in there…

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 8:17 AM PDT reply actions  

1. Welcome to BFTB!
2. Why would AJ be telling Norv to use Sproles more? Because of a vendetta against LT?

I think LT wasn’t in much in the 2nd half because Sproles is the better receiver and better in pass protection. When you’re seeing that many blitzes, leaving LT in would’ve been tough.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

1. Thanks for the welcome! I’m glad to find my graceland lol

2. I just see Norv as a spineless “yes man” who is easily influenced by upper management.

LT isn’t what he used to be but I guarantee you he can still be effective and pick up a blitz as well. Besides, we were winning the game at the start of the 2nd half! why not keep running the ball (not always but like i said LT was gettin 4 yards a carry on a bunch of runs) and mix in play actions and screens to keep them off balance?

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree that Turner is a spineless yes man.

AJ provides the personnel, but he doesn’t make schematic decisions. That’s Turner.

Remember it was Turner who wanted Cottrell fired in the middle of last year against AJ’s wishes.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mark my words...

If Turner rallys the troops, gets us into the playoffs and manages to win the first Super Bowl in Chargers history then I will be the first to praise him and eat my own words (with a big smile on my face too) but until then I’m just not sold on the guy, sorry.

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You can be not sold on the guy

but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t run the team on the field. He does.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

thats part of my problem lol… either way, GO BOLTS!!

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Against the Broncos

LT was stinking it up picking up blitzes. Sproles was much better. This was a big surprise to me since sproles is so much smaller.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 23, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bigger OL doesn’t mean better. It’s all about footwork and positioning. LT’s pass-protection is L-A-Z-Y. He just tries to get in front of the guy instead of blocking him. Drives me nuts.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't want to say it, but that was what I was thinking

I feel like if LT gets taken out of his game early (either by the defense or by our own offensive play calling) that it affects the rest of his game. I didn’t notice this a few years ago, but I have recently. I think LT might take things a little too personally.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 23, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's been taking things personally since Schottenheimer was fired.

He was mollified in 2007 when we were winning. But since then I think it’s been going downhill. The injuries have only made things worse.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I find that interesting

because one of his strengths has always been pass-protection. It’s part of what made him such a complete back. I wonder if coming out in a lot of passing situations has made him rusty.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know

I remember other RBs on the team, like Turner, were always praising him for it and learning from him.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's probably a case

Of LT missing lots of practice over the last few years and the team babying him when he does practice.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think he needs a powerful running back to compliment his finesse style of running

Is AP available? on another note what happened to Rudy Johnson?wasn’t he a power back with speed?

Chance favors the prepared mind.......

by Gorditoe1 on Oct 23, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was a little shocked when I noticed it on Monday’s game. I remember seeing LT whiff on a few blocks and then see Sproles make a great block (all on blitzing LBs up the middle). Sure it looked like Sproles was about to be broken in half, but at least he made the blocks.

by Stephen (shaynes41) on Oct 23, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sproles has to be one of the pound for pound strongest guys in the league. I’ve even seem him drag a would be tackler on a couple runs… a nice winning streak will have LT’s (and everyone else’s) morale back up and he’ll be back to picking up blitz’ like he’s done before

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guarantee you that he can’t. Go back and watch him try. It’s not pretty.

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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Oct 23, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

LT is not as dynamic as sproles. he also hasn’t been pass-blocking as well as sproles. LT will not be in there when it’s full on pass mode.

by BORTZ on Oct 23, 2009 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

oops. shoulda been a reply. sorry.

by BORTZ on Oct 23, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sproles IS more dynamic and can make big plays in passing situations but on 3rd and 1?? LT was running the ball effectively on Sunday and he’ll get even better if Norv gets him the ball more. If we can make teams at least respect our running game then it opens it up for all kinds of passing schemes… I dunno, I guess I liked it better when (get ready now…) Cam Cameron was calling the offensive plays. We ran it more, play action and still had great shotgun formation plays. Whatever happened to LT passing to Gates on a HB toss in the redzone? Haven’t even seen it attempted in 2 seasons….

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever happened to LT passing to Gates on a HB toss in the redzone?

This question is the bane of my existence. LT is not a big running threat anymore, therefore the play wouldn’t work as well. Also, trick players are typically used by teams that cannot beat you straight up. Imagine we’re playing a game of football in the backyard, would you rather have Rivers or LT as your QB? You’re taking Rivers every single time because you know that when he’s throwing the ball you have the best chance to score.

Those plays were called because 1) everyone was focused on LT and 2) there were no receiving threats on the team besides Gates. Now, LT is a mediocre RB and the defense is busy trying to cover at least 3 legitimate receiving threats on each play. Spreading out and letting Rivers pick the best mis-match is the better option.

How about we work on LT becoming a decent running threat again before we start asking him to play QB…

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Point well made and I agree- lets get a decent running threat going… Nothing would make me feel better than an IMPRESSIVE win this Sunday

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

My understanding

Is that the called a pass play, so they put in Sproles on 3rd and 1. Rivers saw something that made him think they could run in for a TD so he audibled. When they ran the play whatever Rivers saw didn’t end up being there and Sproles got stoned.

Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.

by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

What I read

was slightly different. They called a pass play to see if they could get them to spread it out, and if they did then the plan was to audible to the run.

The primary difference between your version and mine being that min has the play-change being planned at the sideline rather than made at the line.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

i heard rivers was the one who audibiled

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by tonik on Oct 23, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

We ran it more because we were better at running it. Norv Turner historically loves to run the ball. We’re not airing it out because he doesn’t want to run. We’re doing it because that’s what we are better at and because the defense until this past week was not stopping anyone.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 23, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right John.

But I have a hard time trusting this team.

And I never feel good going into Kansas City.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I feel u...

they take us on major emotional roller coaster rides!

" A finger or two in the air shows how much we care"

by ChargersWitch on Oct 23, 2009 10:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Chargers are 7-3 in the last 5 years against the Chiefs, if that helps

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by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only 3-2 @KC, though.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 23, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bold words John, "Easy Wins for the Chargers"! I don't think so!

Thanks for coming on Arrowheadpride and offering insight on the Chargers. I sincerely think the Chiefs have a very good chance of winning this week. We have played some very good opponents in the Ravens, Giants and Eagles and perhaps the Cowboys. The Chiefs defense has shown good improvement and if we can elimnate the big play that got us twice last week, we had a stellar defensive performance. We have to make you guys one dimensional by stopping the run and forcing Rivers to pass which is still always scary. We have to run the ball well and convert on 3rd downs and turn past field goals into TD’s to win.

Are all of you as optimistic as John? Be honest! I think you will be eating your words! I hope your team stays healthy as I heard LT and a few have the Flu. Good Luck! I say Chiefs 27 Chargers 21. What say you?

by casselreadychiefs on Oct 23, 2009 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

The Chiefs defense has shown good improvement and if we can elimnate the big play that got us twice last week, we had a stellar defensive performance.

What makes you think you will get rid of the big plays? There’s been no changes to your defense, and you’re facing a much better offense this week (and one built around big plays).

We have to make you guys one dimensional by stopping the run and forcing Rivers to pass which is still always scary.

Exactly what I said. Worst-case scenario: Rivers has to throw a ton. I still think that’s a Chargers win. The Chiefs aren’t exactly the Ravens or the Steelers, where a great game by Rivers might go to waste.

We have to run the ball well and convert on 3rd downs and turn past field goals into TD’s to win.

Did you see the stats I listed? KC has the 25th best running game in a league of 32 teams. They have the worst third down conversion rate in the entire league.

I don’t see why you’re so optimistic about a Chiefs win. Everything you’re saying the Chiefs have to do to win are things that they haven’t been able to do all season. Are you betting on a different team showing up?

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by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

worst 3rd down offense against worst 3rd down defense! EXCITING.

by BORTZ on Oct 23, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Worst 4th down defense too. Teams shouldn’t punt on the Chargers.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am always surprised when they do.

by BORTZ on Oct 23, 2009 9:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haley is not afraid of going for it on 4th down.

He has done it a lot throughout the first 6 games, and the Chiefs have shown a whole lot more success on 4th down; than they have on any other down. Entering the Washington game they had the best offense on 4th down. After the Washington game they became tied for 6th in the NFL. Washington was the first time to completely shut us down on 4th down.

by ChiefsFan90s on Oct 23, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Difference!

Statiscally we are playing a weaker opponent in many areas than 5 out of our last 6 games. We have played much better defenses than the Chargers. We can eliminate the few big plays by better tackling. I think Cassel will have the most time he has had all season long. Ravens, Eagles, Cowboys, Giants and Raiders all have a better pass rush and have shown to be more disruptive so far this year. San Diego is also worse than these teams against the run, looking forward to a balaned attack. Cassel won’t know what to do with more time.

The number one problem IMHO for the Chargers is their inconsistency! The Chiefs have a sold out crowd on Sunday at Arrowhead and I believe you will be dead wrong. Good luck and thanks for the comments back!

by casselreadychiefs on Oct 23, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

so what you’re saying is the chiefs are going to run AND pass the ball at will while making sure tackles and not give up any big plays on defense only to escape with a 27-21 win at sold out arrowhead? lol i dunno bout all that buddy…

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Once again....

how can you assume there will be better tackling when it hasn’t been there all season?

This post in a nutshell:

Chiefs offense: D
Chiefs defense: D
Chargers offense: B+
Chargers defense: D

One of those teams has a clear advantage.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I said I expect a better pass-rush just because the Chiefs line is as bad or worse than the Chargers. With that being said, if both defenses are awful and without a pass rush the Chargers offense still blows the Chiefs’ offense out of the water.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Chiefs pass rush is better this year than last year.

The Chargers were the only team that the Chiefs could tally sacks up against last year. Our historically worst pass rush in 2008 got 60% of their sacks against the Chargers. We have a better pass rush this year; so while the Chargers won’t account for 60+% of the team’s sacks. They should account for more than 6 this year. The Chargers should be able to pressure on Matt Cassel, but the Chiefs should get pressure on Phillips Rivers too.

by ChiefsFan90s on Oct 23, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Chiefs got good pressure, and with their good corners one would expect it to be enough. But Rivers is totally unflappable and has so many weapons… you just can’t hold that offense down, and the Chiefs don’t have any similar edge to take with them. This game could go either way, but that doesn’t make it an even match.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 23, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd

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by John Gennaro on Oct 24, 2009 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

and even if Cassel gets more time and has a good game, I still think the Chargers win in a shootout.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I question the Chargers LB depth right now

Granted KC may not have a history of success running this season. But the past is not always the best predictor of future performance. The Chargers are nicked up at LB. We have guys on the sidelines and IR, and the ones on the field like Cooper, Tucker and Merriman are all less than 100%. Compound this with a patched together DL, and all of a sudden we are looking at some big play exposure.

We are also looking at some full speed tackles involving our DBs. Part of their magic involves finishing the play after the RB has been slowed down by earlier contact. LJ may be getting long in the tooth. But I do not look forward to watching him lower his shoulder with a full head of steam into a guy like Weddel. We might find part of a shoe, but the shoe laces? Those just might be vaporized.

Did you factor our injuries into you analysis John?

by Trendsearcher on Oct 23, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

inside LB’s seem to have trouble making solo tackles (Cooper-even before his injury was wiffing bad) and dropping into coverage (Burnett) but I think this can be fixed with a better pass rush and solid play from the d-line vs the run. This past Sunday was the best I saw the D-Line play vs the run all season

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dobbins is a sure tackler, though, and he’ll see a lot of playing time on Sunday.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 23, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty small thing, but...

it’s really nice that this is the only 10 am start all season, and it’s only in the middle of the country and not clear on the east coast.

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 23, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Wow

Didn’t realize that. Nice catch.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was one of the positives about this schedule.

Also that we never play a team coming off a bye.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Upset potential!

First of all I appreciate the discussion and professionalism. Here are my final words on why we can beat the Chargers on Sunday! The Chargers allow 141 YPG on the ground and only have 7 sacks this year. Conversely the Charger running game has a league low 56.7 YPG. We kept the Redskins out of the end zone last week. I know SD is a superior team to the Redskins in passing and offense but you will find an improved Chiefs team this week. Good luck!

by casselreadychiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

We kept the Redskins out of the end zone last week. I know SD is a superior team to the Redskins in passing and offense

You just killed your own point. I think me and my friends could keep the Redskins out of the end zone right now.

The Chargers allow 141 YPG on the ground and only have 7 sacks this year. Conversely the Charger running game has a league low 56.7 YPG.

Chiefs allow 130 YPG on the ground and only have 9 sacks this year. Conversely the Chiefs running game has a 98 YPG. Is that enough to overcome the difference of 123 passing yards per game?

Opponents
Raiders – Chargers won by 4, Chiefs lost by 3
Ravens – Chargers lost by 5, Chiefs lost by 14

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

John - You have some good points!

The Ravens game was tied with 2 minutes left when they scored. The game was in Baltimore in week one and we played Brody Croyle since Cassel was injured. Then the Chiefs were stopped and went for it on 4th down on their own 20. They were able to score again. The Chiefs dominated the Raiders, unlike SD, but did not score the points due to turnovers.

by casselreadychiefs on Oct 23, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW Chiefs are in their throwbacks!

Actually, the Dallas Texans might beat you on Sunday. The uniforms are atrocious as if Texans needed a bigger ego. The powder blue of the Chargers is pretty sweet! Go Dallas Texans!

by casselreadychiefs on Oct 23, 2009 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Hasten Norv's demise?

There would be a silver lining if the Bolts get beaten in KC — it might hasten the firing of Norvell and that would be a good thing for the rest of the season and the future. Not saying I want the Chargers to lose…but I definitely want Norv gone. AND, let’s quit talking about Marty. Chargers fans seem to think that there only are two coaches in the world.

by jgogek on Oct 23, 2009 10:39 AM PDT reply actions  

It would be a silver lining for some. I’d rather not bring in an unknown coach that could very easily be worse than Norv has been.

For the record, I don’t think Norv is a bad coach at all. However, I think he runs a terrible camp. I believe that’s the reason for the slow start to each season.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm curious.

What did you see at camp this year that made you think he was bad at it?

I’ll give you 2008, when the line all summer was “we’re just trying to get healthy” and “we’re focusing on the Super Bowl.”

I ask because everything coming out of TC this year said how different it was, how much more focused it was, how much more physical and intense it was.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was nothing I saw. I’ve never been to TC before, so I have no comparison. It’s more of just a theory. It seems like the team is always really good after the first few weeks of the season. What else could it be?

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by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

There was that crappy food from the Brigantine

How could they eat this stuff? The Sommelier looked like a busy boy!

by Trendsearcher on Oct 23, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok.

For all I know, you could be right.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m under the impression that he runs a soft camp which is why his teams start slow, but are better late in the year since they’re not worn down.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which could be part of the reason Marty’s teams weren’t great in the playoffs. He ran a notoriously tough TC. I just wish Norv could find a balance.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 24, 2009 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’d be nice.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 24, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Turner is a good for for a good team

with established leaders and a lot of talent. He keeps his cool in pressure situations, runs a very good offense, and sticks to his message.

I think that’s what we were in 2007, but we’ve moved away from that. Injuries, guys leaving via free agency, guys getting old, and some questionable personnel decisions have changed that.

The season isn’t over yet, but if it continues the way it’s started I think we’d benefit from a fresh start, with a new voice and a new message.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

If he runs a terrible camp, how can he be a good coach?

by jgogek on Oct 23, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

A coach can run a great camp and still be a terrible game-day manager, motivator and/or play-caller. Why can’t it be the other way around? I really think Norv is a great game day manager (does he ever mis-manage his timeouts?), a good motivator and is usually a very good offensive play-caller. That’s makes him a good coach. Running a too-soft camp might keep him out of the “great” category.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 24, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cassell's performance key to the game

I’ve basically heard that the only QB that holds onto the ball long than Cassell is Roethlisberger, except Big Ben usually finds Hard, Holmes or Miller and his hard to bring down whereas Cassell is missing those options and is fairly easy to bring down. Even worse is that in his early NE years he was fumble prone. The Chargers pass rush is terrible, but I imagine that if Cassell doesn’t get the ball out of there in a timely manner or if the Chargers get a few strips on him its going to be a route. If he can pick Thigpen’s brain on how to get the ball out quick or throw it away without taking sacks, then it could be a real competitive game like last year.

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by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I now occurs to me

He’ll have to make some long distance calls to pick ol’ Thiggy’s brain, but the point remains.

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by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Long distance calls to Thiggy??

Thigpen will never see the light of day in Miami as he is an insurance policy at best. He was only capable in the spread offense and out of the shotgun. He really had a poor camp and pre-season. Cassel is the franchise QB of the future and Croyle is servicable as a back-up. I agree that Cassel holds on to the ball too long however our offensive line is pretty poor and he ends up running for his life for most of the first 6 games. I agree that he is a mojor key to the game. Even more of a key is to have LJ had a good day in order to prevent 7 or 8 in the box by SD. I think LJ will rush for over 100 yards for the first time this season. Here is to hoping and good luck.

by casselreadychiefs on Oct 23, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I think you missed my point

The Thigpen part was just added for color. The best thing Thigpen did against the Chargers (and the same goes for Cutler) was to get rid of the ball real quick so that the pass rush didn’t stand a chance. All I’m saying is that isn’t really Cassel’s strength, so he might need some help. I originally suggested that Thigpen could help as a reference to the success he had doing it last year, but that was forgetful of me since he got traded and was a somewhat joking remark since I’m not sure any QB can really help Cassel change his style for one game.

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by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate to sound dumb

but perhaps going 6 or so years without seeing any time in a game has made Cassel less-sure of throwing the ball before his WRs are open. That could be a problem.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spread offense/shotgun? Sounds like the Wildcat to me.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wildcat doesn't use a spead

It’s practically a single wing, almost the opposite of the spread.

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by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know that

I was being a smart-ass. However, I think Thigpen (and Pat White as well) would bring a really interesting. I imagine Thigpen taking the snap, with Brown running from the right side of the offense to the left side, and TT immediately deciding to make a quick pass, hand off or run it himself. He could even hand it off to Brown for a HB pass. That just seems indefensible to me.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 23, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

That kind of limits some of the success of the wildcat

One of the biggest threats with the direct snap is that its freaking Ronnie Brown with the ball already in his hands and you have to defend that first. Then there are the Ricky Williams (running sideline to sideline at top speed) and pass options. With Thigpen I don’t think the run threat is as big, so you’d probably play Brown and have the corners jam and the safeties cheat to the strong side. You be most vulnerable to the Thigpen run, but I think you’d hope that your safeties and LBs could react better to him than Brown and then punish him for trying. Anyways, I don’t think it’s as indefensible as you think. The tradition wildcat seems better.

With Thigpen and Pat White I think you want to run more of a spread option like Texas or Florida run, but obviously with a better passing game than either of those teams have. Again, the problem becomes that the QB is very vulnerable, but maybe with both White and Thigpen you could cover yourself in the event of an injury. It’s kind of moot though since Henne seems to be grabbing the reigns now so you’ll probably continue to see the wildcat mixed in with Henne’s traditional passing game there.

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by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You know, it's interesting.

I’ve decided that it isn’t likely the Chargers are going to win a championship this year, so I feel a lot better going into these games. I’m not nearly as anxious, worried, or stressed. I’m not expecting them to win anything, so I’m more able to just relax and enjoy watching football.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Yup

It’s kind of like being teleported back to 2002.

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by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

And they aren't now?

I just mean the expectations weren’t high enough to expect them to do anything then, but they were good enough to keep us from thinking about top 10 draft picks.

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by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess you're right.

We are talking about expectations, aren’t we.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Weird

I was thinking the same thing.

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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 23, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Wouldn’t it be great if the Chargers could become a mediocre team every year so we would never have to worry about making the play offs or trying to win the super bowl.
Gosh that would be cool. Maybe I should become a Lions fan and never have the burden of expecting my team to play well.

Just joking, I get your point, but I for one would be enjoying the season more if the Chargers were playing better (and winning).

by JeromeB on Oct 23, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think anyone is saying that they are happier when the team isn't competing for a championship

But it’s difficult to believe that every year and then have to deal with the frustration of the team not actually being in the NFL elite.

If you are able to discern that the team is not going to win a championship, then there is more of a carefree attitude where you can just enjoy having a football team to root for instead of each week hoping and praying that they won’t screw up their chance at a championship. Obviously, when they aren’t screwing things up left and right then things are even easier, but we aren’t there yet.

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by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

As I said I was just joking

In the end its only a football game. I am not related to anybody on the team, none of them are my friends they are just guys that the “Chargers” have picked or paid to wear their jerseys and play football. I loved playing football and love watching it now. But it is just a game. I would love for the Chargers to be great every year, but of course that will not be the case, and I can handle that.

by JeromeB on Oct 24, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mike Goff is being interviewed on 1090 right now.

He sounds bitter that he wasn’t offered a new contract with the Chargers. He said he expected to spend the rest of his career here, and when asked about AJ offered only “No comment.”

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Goff was washed up

It was time to go young. I think people pretty much knew that going into the 2008 season and the injuries last year just confirmed it. He was also brought in to be a run blocking RG of the Martyball regime. That was no longer the skill set needed for the position (not that he really had it anymore anyway).

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by Wonko on Oct 23, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Just thought it was interesting, is all.

We're boned.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 23, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

We in KC wish he would have spent the rest of his career in SD!

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by cpa913 on Oct 23, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rookie is holding his own

It’s still early but RG Vazquez has looked solid so far this year. Big and physical has helped him hold his own on pass protection. Not to mention, alot of the decent yards we gained on the ground last week went thru the right side… Now if we could only get Hardwick healthy and a better RT. Clary puts the effort in but gets beat too often by DE’s and OLB’s.

by Ino (BoltsFanInBakersfield) on Oct 23, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

My take...
I don’t buy into the mystique and I don’t buy into last year’s close games determining how these games will go.

-The Chiefs and Chargers almost always play close games. Enough said on that matter.

-Chiefs will give up one or two big plays like we always do. That might be the outcome.

-Chiefs will capitalize on at least one defense turnover.

-Chargers won’t do much on the run. Chiefs won’t either.

-Gates and Bowe will both have a huge day.

-Will be decided by a touchdown or less.

Here is the thing not accounted for:

Cassel’s ability to take off and run with it…

I would have said the Chargers win this prior to last week but it seems as if the Chargers are in dismay. They are also on a short week. Chiefs will be pumped up at Arrowhead after their first win in 23 years. haha Plus it is throwback day and anything can happen. I just think it is funny that you are expecting such an easy win. It won’t happen. If you win, you guys will have to earn it.

The Chiefs were actually good the last time Kenny Smith has played in a game. Gives you an idea of how long ago that was. lol

by Chiefsfan85 on Oct 23, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions  

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