Game Preview: Denver Broncos at San Diego Chargers
So, the bye week sucked, huh? Back to business in a big way this week with the Week 6 AFC West Championship Super Bowl Extravaganza (W6AFCWCSBE for short). I am both excited and terrified for the game, which makes me very happy to be busy all weekend so I don't have to dwell on it.
If the Chargers lose this game, we all know what happens. The traffic at BFTB dips, sdsuaztec4 unplugs his computer from the internet, and Marty Schottenheimer lets out a heart laugh. Also, all hell will break loose in the locker room. On the opposite side, a win on Monday means everything. With games against the Chiefs and Raiders in the next two weeks, the Chargers could conceivably be at 5-2 and tied with the Broncos after Week 8 (after the Chargers, the Broncos have a bye and then face the Ravens and Steelers). That's a position we'd all like to be in, with our backs to the wind and competing.
So, how do things look for Monday night's game? See for yourself after the jump.
When the Broncos Have the Ball: The Broncos rank 6th in the league in offensive yards per game, but 22nd in points per game. So while they may be moving the ball a whole lot, they're not punching it into the end zone very effectively. In fact, the Broncos have less rushing TDs inside the red zone (2) than the Chargers (3) even though they've played 5 games to the Chargers 4.Denver runs a balanced offensive attack, but the strength of their passing game is in matchups. They have at least 4 legitimate WRs (Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Gaffney) to go up against the Chargers 3 CBs. With Gregory being the most likely guy to fill in as the 4th CB, even though he's the starting SS, the Chargers may be forced to put Kevin Ellison on the field more than they'd like to. This passing attack is exactly the type of thing that could give the Chargers nightmares. The only options for defending it are 1) praying that Kevin Ellison is really good or 2) trying to rattle Orton with blitzes to give our CBs a chance to cover their WRs and get interceptions.
The Broncos running game gets better seemingly each week, as Knowshon Moreno improves. Now there's reports that Correll Buckhalter, who has been very good this season, is expected to play on Monday night. I think Denver's gameplan involves running the ball into the Bolts' defensive line until the Chargers prove they can stop it. As usual, the key to winning this game is big performances by the Jamal Williams fill-ins. Ogemdi Nwagbuo, Ian Scott, Travis Johnson....take note. Big games from you guys will give the Chargers a good chance to win.
Advantage: Broncos. Make no mistake about it. Until the Chargers prove they can play better, and until the Broncos prove they can't maintain this level of play, this is Denver's advantage all the way. If the Chargers' fans feel silly praying for a great defensive game, it might be more appropriate to pray for FGs instead of TDs in an offensive shootout.
When the Chargers Have the Ball: I hope this doesn't sound too desperate, but I'm hoping for a big game from LaDainian Tomlinson on Monday. He is eager to prove to the entire world (which will be watching) that he's still one of the best, if not the best RB in the league. The offensive line is getting healthy and better (Mruczkowski no longer scares me as the starting Center). LT is probably as healthy as he was going into Oakland, if not even healthier. The Chargers know that keeping Denver's offense off the field will be key, and that Sproles can't carry the load. A big game from LT and Antonio Gates goes a long way towards getting first downs and winning the time of possession battle.
Will it happen? I have no idea. This is as healthy as the offensive line has been since being jumped by the Raiders. This is as healthy as LT has been probably since the beginning of the 2008 season. There's a possibility that those things combine to stabilize the running game and balance the Chargers' offense, but there's really no way to tell.
Passing the ball and depending on mis-matches is not going to work in this game. Vincent Jackson is not a mis-match for Champ Bailey. Denver has at least three very good cornerbacks, as well as two ILBs and two Safeties that could cover Gates without looking foolish. This game will have to be won with strategy, and a strong game from the offensive line to give Philip Rivers a chance to breathe before having to throw the ball. That will be much easier to do with a running game to lean on.
Advantage: Tie. I know, it's probably wishful thinking. I know Denver's defense has been historically good for these first 5 weeks, but if the Chargers actually show up before the second half and the running game is at least decent they should be able to at least stay competitive throughout the game. It will become great talent and great scheming (Denver's D) against great talent and very good scheming (Chargers' O) mixed in with desperation.
Denver has looked like a far better team in 2009. The Chargers have a few things in their favor though.
- They're as healthy as they've been since Week 1.
- They've had two weeks to gameplan (probably the first time any Chargers offensive line has spent two weeks together and healthy since last year).
- They're at home (if they show up early, the fans will get behind them in a big way). The fans, who are worried about losing the team, are ready for the team to garner local support with a big season.
- They're desperate (a win in the W6AFCWCSBE is their entire season, but is mostly a moral victory and a nail in the coffin for Denver).
- They're hungry to prove the naysayers wrong on national TV. A great game shuts up the critics of LT, Merriman, Rivera, Turner and everyone else.
- Philip Rivers wants this game more than anybody else. He's ready to carry this team in spectacular fashion. The Chargers only need to improve the rest of the team incrementally to allow him to turn this into a strong, winning team again.
Go Bolts.
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In games like these
you have to go with the big-time quarterback.
And in this case, it’s Philip Rivers.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 8:46 AM PDT reply actions
Big-Time QBs are cool and all
But if you don’t have a line to protect them things may get messy. Rivers won’t be able to bail you out when he is on his backside most of the game (which is what I"m hoping for)
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
You're right.
He’ll have to bail us out on his way to the ground. So far, he’s been really, really, really good at that.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 16, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes yes he has...
+1 to Rivers for some gutsy play so far this season.
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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Cromartie
Whats the word with this guy… is Cason going to start or is Brandon Marshall going to have another catchapalooza
According to Acee
Cromartie is still the starter. I gather this from the quote: “no change imminent at cornerback”.
The article talks about how Cro played well, but had his worst performance against Pittsburgh.
"I had a bad game," he said. "It was the worst game I’m going to have this year."
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Fingers crossed.
Knocking on wood.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 16, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not worried
they came off a bye week I’m sure he will play at least a little better than last week
Just want to make a few notes/inferences that were made by the SDUT
1. Ian Scott’s presence will also allow Alfonso Boone to move to end, where he was more effective against Pittsburgh.
2. It would seem likely that Ellison would play in the base defense, meaning he might technically get the start. But Rivera confirmed yesterday he will rotate Ellison, Steve Gregory and Paul Oliver. Maybe Ellison surprises us all with a huge game.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 9:15 AM PDT reply actions
In re #2
I really, really hope so. Would like to see some big hits on Bronco receivers. Even if they make catches, punish them.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
#2 makes it sounds
Like there will be a big emphasis on stopping the run when we are in our base defense.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Sounds good to me.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Rather see Oliver given a chance
I think Ellison’s lack of speed is to much of a handicap to have him playing the majority of the snaps. I know he was a big hitter in college and he probably would help on run support. I guess if the Broncos promise not to throw deep when he is in the game he should be fine.
I think we might see a lot of Oliver if Denver uses four wide sets with any frequency.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 16, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m interested to see what Oliver can do. He’s not really a hitter
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by John Gennaro on Oct 16, 2009 2:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Since ellison is a run stopper
I would place whatever safety can stop the run cuz thats probably what they’re gonna do
That is a very honest assessment of it John
Sometime as a hard core fan it is hard to take of the rose colored glasses. You’ve done a good job with this one.
I really hope the extra week of planning has given the coaches more time to find that winning solution. This one very well may come down to the less tangible aspects of the game like special teams, and turnovers, and scheme adjustments.
This is the season for the Chargers loose and Denver is 6-0 with the road game in their pocket.
Taking off the rose colored glasses
+1 John…great review.
Don’t sell yourself short guys…Denvers weakness so far is short yardage and Special Teams returns. I think intangibles are pretty even…it is going to depend on which team executes better.
The thing that worries us Broncos fans the most is you guys having the extra week to game-plan us…we’ll see what Norv and your coaches come up with.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
The thing that worries us Broncos fans the most is you guys having the extra week to game-plan us…we’ll see what Norv and your coaches come up with.
It’s Norv, dude. Run for 2, run for -1, pass, 1st down.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 16, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Except
Who knows if they actually did? It seemed like all they used the extra week for was vacation time.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Well
they did say that both units, and especially the defense, met last week and early this week to put in extra time.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The Chargers this season have thrown on 1st 55% of the time, 2nd 75% of the time 3rd 87% of the time and 4th 33% of the time.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 16, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're thinking of someone else

by 'Eaters on Oct 16, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't be silly
Marty didn’t game plan for specific opponents.
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by Wonko on Oct 16, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec’d.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 16, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the LT comment
That’s my feeling too. He looked really good at Pittsburgh, but they got behind so fast the running game went by the boards. I think LT and screens to Sproles could be effective. I’m just holding my breath on the defense. I still think Andra Davis is weak in coverage; if they can get Gates into the game early and make some headway in the run game maybe the deep routes will open up.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 16, 2009 9:47 AM PDT reply actions
Andra is weak in coverage, but they scheme so he isn’t doing that much at all. I think if they take Gates away it will be with someone else…most likely Woodyard off the bench…he doesn’t have the size, but he has the speed to stay with Gates.
Your deep routes are going to be scarce though…our safety play has been superb so far.
Screens have been a weakness for our D so far…we’ve let some big plays happen on them.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
If the run game gets going
your superb safeties move up and VJ is much more likely to shake free.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 16, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
That is a mighty big IF...
On the scale of how big the plate of crow is that the MSM has been having to eat in regards to McDaniels being a good coach and Denver being a competitive team.
I didn’t mention anything about your run game getting going because I don’t see it happening…we’ve faced tougher run offenses by far and have shut them all down. Now…anything can happen in the NFL, but I don’t think it is likely.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Their best performance
Had to be against Cinci. Cinci finally ended Baltimore’s streak of not allowing a 100 yard rusher, at the time though Cincinati’s offense wasn’t really a rushing powerhouse.
Let me count the ways
Rushing offenses ranked (Denver Opponents only stats from http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go)
3rd Dallas Cowboys
9th Cincinnati Bengals
16th Cleveland Browns
20th New England Patriots
28th Oakland Raiders
32th San Diego Chargers
So we could say that would be EVERY run offense we’ve faced so far. =)
Now, I’ll give you a caveat that the stats are probably thrown off due to your early bye week, but I don’t think it would make enough difference to get you past NE at 20th place.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
You could go by DVOA. That way the bye week wouldn’t affect the numbers. Also, there’s the fact that DVOA is simply a better measure of which run offense is better.
1st Dallas Cowboys
8th Cincinnati Bengals
10th New England Patriots
21st Cleveland Browns
25th San Diego Chargers
28th Oakland Raiders
Your point still stands, but that list is considerably more accurate.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 16, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks man
I went for quick and easy (nfl.com). I’m not a huge stats guy other than the W – L column and ratings of how bad the faders suck (I’m surprised they can still measure the later actually).
That makes much more sense though. Major props…I thought it was odd that nfl.com had Cleveland above New England.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
That’s what happens when you rank teams by yardage totals sans context.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 16, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
True
But LT has been out and the line has been patchwork. Depending on how many they put in the box, I think the Broncos might get surprised; I kinda expect in the early going they will ignore the run and focus on the pass unless the Chargers prove they can run. I think runs and screens are going to be better than folks expect. It doesn’t need to be dominant, just enough to pull in the coverage.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 16, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's an idea
I think that we know (and suggest) that the run game is going to be key. Also getting Gates involved early is key. Don’t you think McDaniels and the entire Denver team know that? As John says above, Denver will key on that and rely on their secondary to make plays.
What the Bolts need to is score on their first possession. Even if it’s a FG. This starting out slow crap is inconceivable with our offense.
What about starting in a no huddle? Create that sense of urgency, stating, “we’re not that afraid of your offense.” Show the swagger that Denver has right now and keep the attitude of, “we will not be beaten at home.” Teams have to have that attitude. Make things happen, don’t be reactive, be creative.
These, of course, are just suggestions. What do I know? I’m at work posting on a board :) I’d just like to see the Chargers take charge right away and put a team on their heels instead of playing catch up all day.
I think that we know (and suggest) that the run game is going to be key. Also getting Gates involved early is key. Don’t you think McDaniels and the entire Denver team know that?
Sure they know that. Knowing it and doing something about it are two different things. The Steelers went into the game last time saying their #1 priority on defense was stopping Gates. Didn’t work out too well for them.
Let them key on it. It’ll force them to single up on Jackson and Floyd. No matter how good Bailey is, he hasn’t done very well against Philip and the Charger receivers for going on 3 years now.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW
I love your comment earlier about having Ellison making them pay. We need to have a hard hitting safety again, make them fear those middle of the field routes. I really hope Ellison pans out.
Thanks.
Ellison isn’t much in coverage, but he can hit. So when the receiver catches the ball, hit them!
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by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless
He is five yards behind the receiver chasing him into the endzone.
Hard to believe but his fastest 40 time at the combine was 4.87, I don’t even want to know what his slowest was.
That's not a far estimate of his speed
He was still in rehab mode.
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by Wonko on Oct 16, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He posted a 4.5something at USC’s pro day I believe
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by John Gennaro on Oct 16, 2009 2:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
At USC's pro day
He ran a 4.7.
I am not saying that it is impossible for him to become a quality safety, in my opinion he is too slow. If he were faster he would have been drafted much higher.
Too slow to be a DB too small to be a LB. He reminds me of a crappier version of Roy Williams.
I hope that I am wrong.
40 times don't mean a damn thing!
Track speed and game speed are two entirely different and independent things.
Case in point: Al Davis thinks 40 times mean a lot and thus built his team around them….Look at his damn team!
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Sorry but they do
You are correct when you say that track speed and game speed are two entirely different things.
You are also correct that there are many players with fast 40 times who do not pan out (Al Davis has taken a few).
40 times are not the only way that prospects or players should be evaluated, just one small part of it. But they are a part of it. To say that 40 times don’t mean a damn thing is good old fashioned hard nosed football, I guess. But it is also off base.
Well of course they evaluate a very small aspect of athletic ability,
But WAY too much emphasis is placed upon a 40 time that is as a whole is generally inacurate and almost a joke at this point; because so much is placed upon it, I’m always reading that “Terrelle Pryor ran a 4.3” (No, he sure did not….Probably hand timed-add two tenths). I just believe that this fad of forty times is out of hand…
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I litsten to Pat Kirwan on NFL Radio who seems to know hits stuff pretty damn well. During the draft he said that for defensive players the change of direction drills are much more important than the 40 time. Also regarding the 40, a lot of evaluaters are looking at the splits for the first 10 or 20 yards more so than the total 40 time.
So yeah its a fancy number but means less than most people think. I don’t remember people running away from Ellison when he was in playing (would have to go back and watch the games though).
Spillman put up so good numbers in the shuttle drills.
by Norcal Boltfan on Oct 17, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Another thing on Ellison is that he was playing with Taylor Mays who is allegedly regarding as teh top safety in college football and expected to be a high-mid 1st round pick. And those USC linebackers , they were pretty good too.
I guess we will find out if he can play soon enough.
by Norcal Boltfan on Oct 17, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
that many people put way too much emphasis on the 40 time, I was just using it to illustrate my feeling that he is too slow to play safety.
I like him as a football player but I would actually prefer that he be used more as a cover LB on passing downs. I would rather see him in the middle of the field laying people out on short passes and crossing routes than the deep coverage.
some guys are gamers
a lot of guys get faster when you put the pads on…i know i chased down a few people i had no business running down, but it happens
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by notorioushbi on Oct 19, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Great anti 40 points by all
For now on I hope the Chargers only take players that run a 5.5 or higher.
that's not it...
i think my fastest 40 was about a 4.65 but when it came to game time i’d run down guys from the backside that clocked 4.3’s…all you care about is beating that guy and you give everything you have to make sure you do…some guys just turn that switch on when the pads go on
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by notorioushbi on Oct 19, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
You are correct
Game speed is not the same as 40 speed. I don’t think that many people think it is. It has not been my point in any of the posts.
I think safety is not the best place for Ellison to be a contributor over the long hall in the NFL. There is a point where speed, or lack there of, contribute to a players ability to play certain positions.
He is always in rehab mode
I think he has had 3 knee surgeries and one other fairly major leg injury.
I like your idea Schwing
If I were a San Diego fan, I’d be very interested to see what they can do against Denver’s D in the no huddle. We haven’t faced too much of that so far this year and it may mess up the rotation for our defense.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I honestly don't know
I really thought we’d see that more in the 2nd half…and we might have if they would have had the ball for more than 10 downs or whatever it was.
Seriously though…I was petrified of Brady in the second half of that game especially because his O-line was doing a GREAT job of keeping his jersey nice and clean.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
The Patriots got extremely conservative
after Matt Light went down.
Plus Brady was erratic and inaccurate the whole game.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say inaccurate on his long passes
The shorter stuff was very well defended though. Let’s give credit where it was due. As bad as we looked against Welker in the 1st half, we were superb against him in the 2nd.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
It was expected that both teams would defend the short passing game well since that’s what both their offenses run on.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 16, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I do agree with you. We don’t win if he connects on either of 2 of his long passes that would have been easy touchdowns.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Let's hope it continues
But their secondary is MUCH better now than it has been the past few years. Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but Champ was hurt or recovering from an injury last season which I assume means he wasn’t at 100%.
My main point to the post was that we should do something, anything, different than we have been. Mix it up, give them new looks. The no huddle seems like a great option. Phillip can run that pretty well. Dink and dunk them like they are going to do to us. Let them blitz, hot route quick slant to Gates or #11 (he catches everything). Then draw play or shovel pass to #21.
Sure
and I think you will see some different stuff. How much different depends on how aggressive they get on defense. I don’t think they blitz nearly as much as Baltimore and Pittsburgh, relying mostly on 4-5man rushes to get pressure. If that’s the case, it should help the running game, because we should be able to get some headway against 6-7 man fronts.
Also, I’ll be interested to see Dumervill’s performance. He isn’t new, and our linemen have faced him for a few years now. They should be familiar with his moves and style. If they don’t blitz a lot, I like our line against their pass-rush. And we know how deadly Philip is when he has time.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec.
Hit it on the head. Here’s hoping Manu takes Elvis out of the building.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 16, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Elvis is dangerous
But it is the whole line you have to worry about…they get double teams and create one-on-one problems against O-lines. See the Vonnie Holiday forced fumble vs NE last week…it was caused because the O-line was forced to match VH one-on-one with a guard that was winded.
Another wrinkle for you: Elvis isn’t playing a 4 – 3 DE any more. Yeah, your guys have seen his moves, but you haven’t seen them from the spots he is coming from some of the time. It is a whole different aspect when he doesn’t have his hand in the ground to start and gets a couple steps coming into his guy.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I thought Elvis died decades ago...
Dummervil does scare me, especially facing our somewhat pasty O-line :(
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Wonder if...
they’ll use the wildcat formation on us?
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 16, 2009 11:40 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe.
They used it a bit against the Patriots. Not very much, though. They should have plenty of success in a normal offensive set.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Wild Horses formation
They don’t run the wildcat (at least not this year). The wildcat is an unbalanced line to the right side, a running back in motion from the weak (left) side and a direct snap to a running back lined up in shotgun. There is either a WR or a 3rd RB lined up on the strong side.
The Wild Horses is a RB lined up in shotgun, the QB lined up to the weak side and no unbalanced line and a full compliment of WRs (no extra RBs, TEs or OLs) lined up strong side. It’s basically a single back formation, but the QB has the option to stay out wide or motion to under center. Phil Simms seemed to like it because it forced the defense to play run while allowing the QB to survey the field from different angles to see if they could pass. Since there is a full compliment of receiver options it produced many wide open receivers for the Broncos when Orton chose to take the snap.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 16, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
LoL thanls for that clear up...
Having a girl moment here… Thought they called it wild horse during their game cuz they’re horses hahahahaha lol (literally laughing out loud @ the Doctors office)… sigh awkward moment here … I crack myself up sometime…
Never a dull moment here on BoltsFromTheBlue!!!
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 16, 2009 12:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know that you'll see it that much
McDaniels plans each game differently to exploit the weakness of the opposing defense. That formation I think was put in to throw of NE’s Defense since they KNOW the offense McDaniels runs inside and out.
I liked what they did out of it though…they executed well and didn’t make any bad plays out of it.
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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I feel you dude!!
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 16, 2009 12:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering I traded
LT off my fantasy team this week I expect him to have a break out game.
And thanks for all the game break downs John, new around here, nice to have a place to talk Chargers now that Padres season is over.
This is a terrible thing for the Padres. - Jerry Coleman
Vaugh Martin will reportedly be inactive Monday night.
Apparently he’s been struggling mightily, and the team hasn’t been able to use him the way they wanted due to the overall issues on the defensive line. So he’ll likely sit in favor of Ian Scott.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions
Makes sense
I think a lot of us assumed he’d be inactive for most of the season… but that was before injuries.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
I hope to see him standing next to JW all game
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by John Gennaro on Oct 16, 2009 2:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
“Aren’t you a little bit tall for a Padawan?”
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 16, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 16, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Chargers will win.
This game reminds me of Week 3 last year. We were coming off a tough loss on the road, going into a game that would have a big effect on our season. I think the Chargers will play very well and win convincingly.
But I really don’t care, so long as it’s a W. Ugly, pretty, close, going away, it’s all the same.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 16, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions
^This^
A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Great 2nd paragraph
Every game you or we play is always huge in our own minds… at the time it always seems to be ‘the big one’. But this truly is the big one. San Diego is hungry, desperate and rested. That should be the biggest fear for the Broncos. Rec’d for sure
If we are rested, where are our players?
Cooper nicked, Applewhite out, Merriman groin, Hart gone, Martin in street clothes.
Is Ian Scott really good enough to replace one guy and cover for the absence / deficiencies of four others? SUPERMAN !!!
A bye week is supposed to build your team back up, what happened?
by Trendsearcher on Oct 19, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I also want to quickly note
that if the Chargers are concerned with their 3rd and 4th corners in coverage… that should be very scary. Very. I honestly don’t think that can be overstated. If nothing else, Josh McDaniels game plans and exploits weakness as good as anybody. As you noted, Denver has talent at WR and likes four WR sets. Many will likely be seen and shown effective if Diego’s corner depth is truly that lacking.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but #4 looks like it'll be Spillman, in a pinch.
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--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
it would be Oliver before Spillman. Oliver at least played cb in college
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by John Gennaro on Oct 18, 2009 4:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Very nice.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 17, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Rivers>Broncos
I don’t care what the statistics say the only 2 qbs you’ve played that are anywhere near decent are Romo and Brady, and IMO they are both balls. Romo is overrated and Brady isn’t the same Brady or anywhere near the 50TD Brady. Rivers is an up and coming and more than likely top 3 QB in the NFL (Brees and Manning). I think he will have himself a day and go for 250-300 yards and 3 tds.
Worth mentioning
Vegas has the Chargers at -4.5 Vegas gets these right more often than not, otherwise they wouldn’t make money. Just sayin…
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 17, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions
AccuScore also likes the Chargers to win 63% of the time.
Average Score:
SD 24.8
DEN 20.6
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 17, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
Vegas sportsbooks make their money on the vigorish. They are not trying to predict the winner, or amount that a team will win by, but rather they are trying to set a line that will get (as close to as possible) an equal amount of money bet on each team. Paying the winners with the losers money and keeping the vig.
The broncos have been underdogs in every game except for cleveland.
So, clearly Vegas is missing something.
Bringing Bronco love from 1,112 miles away
by Troy Hufford on Oct 18, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
See post above yours
Trust me the vegas sportsbooks are doing fine. They are not predicting the outcome of games, rather setting a line that makes a profit.
All I want besides a win for the Broncos
no injuries on either team. Injuries suck and do nothing good for anyone.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
i hope you guys
get really winded, lose some self-esteem and rebound by doing some volunteer work at your local library.
Bring back Balboa Stadium.
Or take it out on the Raiders. You can do that, too.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 18, 2009 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Chargers....
So…We have no pass rush….Richard Seymour is available…do we get him?No…The Raiders do…They beat the Eagles today….The Broncos are in first place…Hell, even Kansas City won today!!!I read Bolts from the Blue today….He hopes we are competitive in the Monday Night game….he hopes we don’t get blown out by the mighty Broncos……….so thats what we have come to…
by hardcre charger on Oct 18, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Where else?
so that’s what we have come to
We’ve been there all along.
Maybe Chargers gear will take on as much of a cult following as Cubs gear, now that the BOSox have broken their curse. Maybe we should start our own Gene Klein curse, or the Don Coryell – HOF curse.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 19, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
great read John
Awesome stuff John.
Here’s some of the other stuff around the Web I found to be good reads this afternoon while preparing to watch the game:
http://broncotalk.net/2009/10/10820/broncos-blog/bt-scout-san-diego-chargers/
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/matchup.php?game_id=20091019024

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