Chargers vs. Broncos (Uncensored)
by Alex on Oct 16, 2009 5:53 AM PDT
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PrintAt Mile High Report (MHR) we/they believe in respectful dialoge and smart football talk. Period. Mr. John Bena, the man who runs the site (MHR), has over 300 comments reporting back on questions asked on this Chargers site. That's pretty terrific. Just serves to show: Great game coming up. It's amazingly improtant to each of us; that's why you read these writes.
His (John Bena, AKA The Sports Guru) knowledge, and those who support his site, is insane. I have learned much. I'm sure you peeps have your own 'guy' who informs you too. Me, myself, I'm new to the site this year. Over that short period of my time it seems (in my guestimation) we have more hands-on participation from passionate fans than anybody in the nation... er, at least more than the last five teams we've beaten ( that's all I've been privy to, one week at a time, ya know). (Coach McDaniels taught me that;)
That last paragraph served no purpose, btw, other than to say "We Hungry".
This post isn't sanctioned by MHR, but here I am, stepping on toes, wanting to know where it is exactly that you folks feel like your team might have the upper-hand on our team. Sure, the score will be the final judgment, but what of yours? What's your judgment? LT healthy and going to run all over us? Sproles gonna change the pace and break off a couple big runs? Jackson gonna burn our coverage? You gotta love Gates... can he rip strips in our scheme?
Mr. Bena and MHR come over to each site, each week, to each opponent and just spit knowledge. Respectfully. It's really pretty scary how accurate that knowledge ends up being a premonition-come-true. This post is slightly different, in that I want to hear some trash-talk - that's football. But instead of asking questions you think I can answer... ask me some you think I can't. Tell me why you're going to win.
I'll do my best to tell you why you are wrong.
I invite my fellow MHR members to jump in any time. And I'll be here, on your site, to take my knocks in the unlikely case of a loss. I'll meet you later in the season in the case of a Broncos win; I'll not be here to rub it in.
27-17 Broncos. There, I'm on a limb. I'm vulnerable.
I should quickly mention, bring the noise, bring the hate, bring the rivalry... whatevs.... but let's keep it respectful, that's the MHR way.
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Here's why you are wrong. Phillip Rivers. Period.
Undefeated career against the Broncos. Don’t try to tell me Hochuli counted, because it didn’t. (We smoked you in the second matchup and we went to the playoffs and we beat the Colts, IT DIDN’T COUNT).
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 6:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I won't tell you Hochuli counted if you don't tell me
that this Denver team resembles anything similar to last year’s team. Tomatoes… Pears.
PR17 has beaten more than last year's Broncos.
Phillip Rivers, as a started, has never, in fact, lost to the Denver Broncos. Incidentally, Norv Turner, as coach of the Chargers, has never, in fact, lost to the Denver Broncos.
So maybe the onus is on YOU to tell ME why the Broncos will beat the Chargers.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Comparing old teams to new team.
Just because Shanahan didn’t know how to prepare for the Chargers doesn’t mean McDaniels doesn’t as well.
I feel this game will come down to T.O.P. The Chargers will have to establish an effective run game to win. Right now San Diego has the worst rushing offense(53.8 ypg)statistically, and Denver has the 6th best rushing defense. The Chargers have their work cut out for them here, if they can not establish the run, Denver’s defense will sit in a nickel package all night and contain the deep threat. If Denvers defense has proved anything this year, is that as the game wears on they get better(Very unlike the Broncos of past).
On the flip side if Denver’s potent 1-2 punch Buckhalter and Moreno establish a groove against the 27th ranked rushing defense, the Chargers will have their potent offense on the side line for much of the game. Thus eliminating Rivers, Gates, Jackson, Sproles, everyone.
This is why Denver will win.
Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009
by diviesti on Oct 16, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
The modern NFL doesn’t really allow teams to establish the run first. You need to pass in order to run. The Chargers do need to run well, but the best way to do that will be to put up points early. The Denver defense seems vulnerable in first halves so they’ll need to use that to put more points on the board than NE or Dal were able to in the first half. Hopefully that lead will be enough cushion to protect them from Denver’s comeback attempt while the LT works to limit TOP and Rivers gets some big plays to match any second half Denver scores. In this scenario the game is probably a shootout.
Similarly, the key for the Broncos would seem to be to take advantage of any weaknesses in the Charger D and establish an early lead. Then, they can use their new found D and excellent running game to limit TOP for the Chargers and cling to that established lead for as long as possible. In this scenario, the game is probably a tight 21-17 sort of affair.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 16, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The San Diego defense is swiss cheese
The problem with early stats is that they don’t properly allow for transitioning progress. The Denver offense should have no problem scoring five or six times. Denver takes away LT by putting the Chargers behind, forcing Rivers to make it a one-pony show.
Denver has started slow. But that doesn’t make their defense vulnerable in the 1st-half… just slightly less amazing than the 2nd half. The Chargers need big plays and turnovers to win this game… not time of possession.
One pony? PR17 is a bloody Ford Mustang.
HERE’S why the Chargers win.
1. We’ve beaten Champ Bailey before; we can and very possibly will again.
2. Gates > Dawkins
3. You think they’re preparing for Chris Chambers, Malcom Floyd, Legedu Naanee, or Kassim Osgood? If the Chargers run a five-wideout set, they could have all of those guys on the field, or replace one (Osgood or Chambers most likely) with Gates. I call that an ace in the hole.
4. Rivers establishes the pass, we can run. Unfortunately— and I will acknowledge this— that’s a one-way street: we can’t soften them up with the run and THEN pass all over them.
5. Our house on Monday Night. The twelfth man will be there in full throat.
6. I’m feeling lucky.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I like point five. And it is the only thing that scares me
Not just that it’s your house, but also that your team needs this win and knows it.
As to point one, you beat Champ, maybe. I won’t look up the stats. But I’m guessing you’re referring to the last couple years. We had no pass rush or help over the top. What comes first? The chicken or the egg? In my mind, no corner in the history of the league can constantly and effectively cover a talented WR when the QB has enough time to eat a sandwich before he throws. That is no longer the case.
As to point two, I understand that Gates is a receiving TE (and a very great one), but ask Jason Witten, he’ll tell you that you can’t catch balls when you’re forced to protect a QB from being decapitated.
Point three: Chargers are talented there. But outside of our two terrific corners, we also have the newly drafted Phonz as well as Jack Williams (who had a truly great game last week). These guys can cover, and in my personal opinion, Phonz is due for an INT. It’s always hard to support a claim that somebody is ‘due’, but Phonz was a ball-hawk in college and he’s really been perfecting his talents under Champ.
Point six: Any Given Sunday, ya know? Nothing’s impossible, but this isn’t the same Denver team that comes in ill-prepared and loses games it should win.
Thanks for the comments.
One thing im going to point out
Dawkins has seen a lot of Witten. Hasn’t really faced Gates. I think He’s had one matchup with Gates in their careers should be exciting to see though.
Good point.
They say you never engage an enemy for too long, because they will adapt to your tactics. But it’s worth noting that there is nothing any TE could ever do that B-Dawk hasn’t seen before. He’s timeless. And again, Gates can’t catch many if your O’ Line can’t protect by themselves. That should likely be the case, I hope.
But I’ll tell you a secret. I’m not pulling Gates as my fantasy TE. Denver’s defensive weakness in the base 5-2 is against the TE’s and the outside runs. Gates could have a great game. I’m only hoping that the Broncos can disrupt Rivers enough, and/or get ahead early to make Antonio a non-factor.
I just caught that you said outside runs
Personally I think Darren Sproles is getting WAY too much press for his meager exploits, but he can indeed get outside and run like hell.
You figure they’re gameplanning for him or the return of LT?
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 17, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Good question.
They will never say, and Coach certainly gets that form his former boss in NE. My guess is that they’re certainly spending extra time in practice this week setting the edge. LT is hungry and that’s scary. Sproles has proven effective as a change-of-pace back, even if not an every down back.
So to answer, I would say that I’m more worried about Sproles breaking off a couple big runs or screens to the outside more than I’m worried of LT weairing down our defense up the middle. I’m guessing the team likely shares those concerns.
And screens. I should underline that point.
Screens can be effective against us when we respect the pass. Your team has that ability with Rivers and Sproles can be dangerous in the screen-game and in space.
Oh! I am slain!
Point 1. Yup, referred to last year (and the year before that) without realizing. Damn.
Point 2. Chargers understand the value of a blocking tight end. That is why they have a very good, very hefty one named Brandon Manumaleuna.
Point 3. I’m still convinced that poor utilization of our considerable depth was what did us in two years back in the AFCCG against the Pats. The thing is, if the Chargers decide to finally wake up and run recievers on and off the field every set, we’ll keep our guys fresher, while the Broncos DB’s are running themselves ragged.
Also as part of point 3, I agree that you can never call anybody “due”. After all— the Lions were “due” for a win almost the entire second half of last year, the Saints were “due” to win the Super Bowl, and Joey Harrington was “due” for a breakout season with Atlanta— but none of them could get it together. Alphonso Smith may indeed have serious upside, but the key word here is “up”— as in, “I doubt he can get UP there and fight for the ball with Floyd or Naanee.”
Point 6. I woke up this morning to “Easy Lover” by Phil Collins on the radio. That song is my good luck charm and I’m superstitious as hell as regards it because it has yet to fail.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha love the way you coyly brought up Phonz's height
I won’t go overboard here in his defense. He’s new. Still a question mark. I can respect that. But let’s just remember, it’s hard to get much playing time with Goodman and Champ to the right and left. Smith is our nickle, I would take him to battle against any of your 3rd WR’s any day.
The Bronco defense can’t run themselves ragged if they’re not on the field. That’s been the case through five weeks. They’ve allowed two 3rd-down conversions in the 2nd-half ALL YEAR LONG. Gotta admit, that’s pretty amazing.
As for point two, I don’t think I was clear the first time. I was trying to say that I get (I understand) that Gates is a receiving TE. I understand you have blocking TE’s. But routes and plays tend to change when an aggressive defense tells you on any certain play that if Gates goes out for a pass, Rivers goes down. I know it’s not that simple. Butit does apply. Denver will force Gates to stay back and pass protect multiple times during the game, limiting his chances for catches.
Easy Lover, huh? Not really my cup of tea. But maybe I’ll play it on feel-good-Tuesday this week. I’m sure I’ll be in a good mood =)
Tooshay.
If the Chargers line up as they have been you’ll have Goodman on Chambers. That’s a mismatch favoring Denver, but we ignore Chambers in clutch situations anyway.
Time of possession is a major issue for us. A certain amount of that will fall on not getting shoved out of bounds— happens to Sproles a lot and is just an occupational hazard of sideline routes.
I understood your point the first time. I’m just saying I don’t think they’ll pull Gates into a blocking scheme as often as you seem to.
Heh, worked for the past two years. Damn radio station doesn’t play it enough during the season.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, as long as you wash your socks, eh lol
I know I’m in the minority here, but to me, often times (but not always) TOP is majorly overrated and misunderstood. You know your team better than I, so I won’t say you’re wrong. But I would suggest that (especially with LT having been out) your team has been much about the passing game and long-ball. That tends to skew TOP.
I think you folks, well in my humble opinion, I think you should be hoping for a few big plays. Not TOP. I’m scared of LT this week for the first time in a long time. He’s hungry to take some respect back. But that hunger and his running style can’t overcome what a 5-2 defense does best… stop the inside runs.
Oh, and addressing Jack Williams.
He’s also 5’9".
I think the importance of height is greatly understated in CB’s. No matter how fast or instinctive Williams is, only ONE corner smaller than 6’0" are in the Hall of Fame (Darrell Green, also at 5’9".)
Now, granted— no one expects Williams to be a HOF’er. I’m just saying it takes a very uncommon talent to make an impact at that height, and that it’ll make a helluva difference going up against big boys like Floyd and Gates.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
OK. I'll take that.
But we’re not asking Jack Williams or Alphonso Smith to take out Vincent Jackson. We’re talking of our corner depth versus your WR depth. I’m gonna say I like the matchup to favor Denver there.
How about now?
Just for the record: our 3, 4, and 5 wide recievers…
Legedu Naanee highlights (yes, I know they’re from the preseason): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1GdSr3iok
Malcom Floyd— comes in at about 1:05, and then again at 2:30.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1GdSr3iok
Can’t see anything of Kassim Osgood. You likely won’t either.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
There ya go
TD Osgood Deep from BV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eNsmzWQ3Wg
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm getting an error notice on that one.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Weird works for me.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It was in the preason this year against the 49ers
In the front right corner of the end zone like 40 yards
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice. I'll take your word.
Got any from his college days at SDSU?
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He was like our star WR
and our QB was drafted 94th overall to the Patriots. Hmm maybe on some Kevin O’Connell hilights…another one of our receivers was the Raiders #1 WR until he got hurt…Chaz Shillens
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Couldn't identify him.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, just got the first one.
Finally. Nice catch, that.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget about Busted Davis
lolol
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
He has no bearing on the game.
The height advantage is negated when he sits down in his wheelchair.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
No need.
Lloyd and Stokley are proven veterans, but nothing special. Our guys excite me because they don’t get much action but still have loads of upside.
Also, I got about 15 results for Stokeley’s Immaculate Reception II. No thanks.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Ooh, that I did.
Dude’s got some chops. I was surprised he never really “broke out” with Houston but with Carr delivering the ball, what can you do.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 16, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
No. 5
Umm, I hate to tell you this, but many people I know who are Broncos fans are going to the game. They were able to get tickets very easily from Chargers Season Ticket holders willing to sell their seats.
The twelfth man may not be as strong as you hope.
Make those miracles happen - Jon Keyworth
by IgorBStrange on Oct 18, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, here's a thought.
We need to win this game. If I were standing in front of you, I would verbally assault you with such magnitude as to make R. Lee Ermey run away crying. Since you’re not here in front of me, I’ll bottle it up till tomorrow and holler my lungs out. Multiply that by 60,000.
"Everything I say, is calculated, appropriated, written and arranged in Feng Shui."
--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 18, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Allllrighttty
point 1= I believe you beat Champ when he had a pulled groin. (felt good huh?) JK but for real, Bailey was injured when you tore us up, and you barely won (I know we did but Hochuli…..) when he was healthy. And that was with our HORRIBLE D.
2. I don’t think anyone is > than BDawk….I mean he’s a beast…and with Hill as his tag partner…..get ready.
3. if you run 5 wideouts you had better hope and pray to whatever god/s you believe in because with 5 wideouts doom and ayers will be on rivers like a dog on a t-bone.
4. We have one of the BEST secondaries in the game….I think any establishing you get is short lived and spotty, with its most prevalent appearance in the first half.
5. Your 12th man…..ok…I don’t have a rebuttle for that one.
6. While I’d rather be lucky than good on any day on the golf course…..I think Denver has a proverbial Horshoe up its @$$ and therefore fortune favors the bold…..who cares if I don’t make sense….I liked it.
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by DenBronx on Oct 19, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
#3
I trust Rivers to get it away, we never run 5 wide from what i’ve seen so the spread shotgun would be the most wide-outs you will see. Rivers has played with a shotty line all season so he knows he doesn’t have time to hold on to it.
Right but
A shotty line against one of the BEST pass rushers in the game today……makes it harder for ANY QB to succeed.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
We will see
I’m more of just pointing out, Rivers has had to deal with pass rush like that all year.
Hold on a second
Our O-line pass-blocking hasn’t been nearly as bad our run-blocking so if you think the broncos pass-rushers will get to Rivers all game your mistaken.
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" - Groucho Marx
5 games does not make one of the best pass rushers in the game toady
nor does 5 games make one of the best defenses in the game today.
DONKEY FANS. RELAX. PLEASE.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 19, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
We're all coo man
But I take serious offense to you calling my pass-rusher “toady”. He in no way resembles a frog…his arms are much too long for such a comparison.
DOLTS FANS. QUIT MINIMIZING. PLEASE.
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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Aren’t frogs’ limbs rather long?
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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 19, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, toady was a typo. He clearly meant to type today.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 19, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I get that
It was my funny way of pointing out his typo
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Their back legs are
their front are not…Dumerville has abnormally long arms (it is a little freaky looking without his pads on)
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I didn't say
5 games made him that, but he is tied for 1st in sacks….so….how is that being a toady? this is your forum so I’ll be nice but……I am relaxed. I have not once lost my cool, nor have I crossed the line on an attack.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
So how do you like Doom now???
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
3 sacks?
sounds about the average for what our O-line was giving up. Good player but i don’t see it being any different then what we have seen. 1 player doesn’t make a Defense though.
Man this Dude
guy just cant seem to take a bit of football smack. On some other posts he didnt want to hear the smack talk from the Bronco’s until he was ready for it (had to take some time away/off I guess). Look after 3 years of domination over Denver, which we took our fair share of lumps and smack talk, its time for a change. San Diego gave it a run but proved every post season that they couldn’t take it to the house when everybody and their mama booked them for the Superbowl. LT had a good run but is on the way down, the window has closed and you know it. Time to rebuild again. Take the lumps and banter. Its all fun and games. I BTW I can hardly wait for the response on this one.
by His name is RALLPPPHHH on Oct 21, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you want to hear about how your team lost right after the game?
LT is on his way down and i don’t see how you can say the window has closed, it’s week 7. You obviously haven’t watched the chargers of season’s past, we have always started off slow under Norv. I honestly don’t predict us going to the super bowl until the postseason, I take it one game at a time.
You say you took your fair share of lumps and banter, maybe because you dealt it out. I have rarely said anything bad about denver on this site, that no one else has stated. I actually have given them credit for what they are doing.
Time to rebuild again? I don’t think it is time to rebuild just yet. For one, the season isn’t over and we aren’t eliminated from playoff contention, two we can’t trade anymore the deadline passed.
Congratulations for taking your shots on me i hope you felt special doing it.
I'll not address previous Bronco teams, as they have no bearing on Monday Night
Instead, I’ll remind you how good our defense is. You know where they rank. They’ve beaten Cinci, Dallas, and NE. We’ve been measured by good offensive teams, ant they came up lacking. We took on and held down what was at the time a #1 ranked Cowboys rushing offense (yours is 32nd) – Dallas is still ranked #1 in total offense even after we held them to 10 points and scoreless in the 2nd-half. The Broncos shut down Tony Romo 255/1 INT/) TD), Marion Barber (41 rushing), Roy Williams (35 yards) and Jason Witten (31 yards).
The Cowboys are just one example, as I could have instead explained how we out-bradied Tom Brady, held Randy Moss to one catch, or kept media-darling Cedric Benson in check with less than 80 yards rushing. The point is that the Chargers have a good offense, but not better than that which we have already sat down. The difference in this game is that San Diego’s defense is much worse than some we’ve faced in the past. And Denver’s offense has gotten much better.
Kyle Orton’s glove came off last week, for the first time this season, and he passed for 72%, 2 TD’s, and his first interception (a Hail Mary pass going into half time that should have an Astrix attached to it). Brandon Marshall is now playing productive and is seems happy as a school girl. Buckhalter will be playing Monday NIght and Knowshon continues to grow.
You know our defense is good. But people forget that Denver had a 2nd ranked offense last year. That didn’t all leave with Cutler. Josh McDaniels didn’t lose his offensive mind in Boston. The pieces for a prolific offense are still in Denver, but an offense simply takes longer to transition than a defense. You saw a hint of that last week. You should see more this week.
Wait
I’m supposed to forget and remember last year’s Broncos. Damn, this team is complicated. I’m lost.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
by Wonko on Oct 16, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha good point. You caught me being a little hypocritical. Can't have it both ways.
In my defense, however, I was really referring to change. Our defense has a new coach and eight of eleven new starters. It’s pretty tough to argue that they have pieces that resemble last year’s. The offense, on the other hand, still has an elite line just like last year. Minus Cutler’s arm, but add Orton’s mind along with KnowMo, Buck, Gaffney, etc..
In essence, I guess I’m saying I don’t think it’s crazy to compare last year’s offensive team to this year’s. But it is crazy to compare last year’s overall coaching, conditioning, physicality, discipline, or defense… to this year’s.
no, you just might want to forget to turn the tv on tomorrow night to save yourself some anguish.
Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!
OK, I'll take that
Love the talk. I will be here after a loss. Otherwise, see you later in the season. (I’m guessing I’ll not need to be on here tomorrow.)
Small Sample Size
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And the Saints are the #1 offense
A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 16, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Small sample size.
I don’t use stats to make my opinion, only to support them. I find that it’s often better than saying… well… just because =)
I just double checked. NFL.com has the Cowboys ranked at #1 in total offense. Saints #3. You’re probably talking about scoring though. Tomatoes, tomatoooos
By Offensive DVOA...
1. Colts
2. Saints
3. Cowboys
4. Steelers
5. Patriots
6. Eagles
7. Ravens
8. Giants
9. Falcons
10. Packers
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 17, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re right. New England and Dallas have both been pretty damn good on offense this year and Denver managed to shut them down rather convincingly. I’ve said it before and will say it again: Mike Nolan is a fantastic coordinator.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 18, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Close game
As long as the Chargers can score at least 24 points, I think we can win. I know broncos fans hate hearing this, but I think you’ve gotten pretty lucky this season and could easily be 2-3 at this point. Just my opinion. Philip Rivers will show you what it’s like going against an ACCURATE quarterback.
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" - Groucho Marx
I think Tom Brady is pretty "accurate"
Nobody, including Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, and Tony Romo, have put up 24 points on the Broncos. That’s about as much as the Denver Defense allowed for the first FOUR weeks combined. I have no reason to believe that Phillip Rivers can score that many points.
Good teams find a way to win. Cliche, I know. But more importantly, Saint Stokely’s Miracle in week-one didn’t pad our stats as much as it bought our transitioning offense some time. It wasn’t productive in week-one, but has gotten much, much better.
Fair enough
All I’m hoping for is a good game, not a blowout many broncos fans expect.
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot" - Groucho Marx
You’d be wrong if you think the 2009 version of Tom Brady is accurate.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 16, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ya, I know he's not the same. He lost Coach McDaniels.
But he is still Tom Brady. Let’s not give a knee jerk reaction. They’ve played some tough teams.
Watch him play. He’s not the same player he was. Missing an entire year to injury takes a while to recover from.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 17, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Great example.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 17, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll concede the point that it takes a while to truly regain past form after a long injury
And for the record, Merriman gave you folks much hope and excitement for a while. I hope he regains whatever he has lost. Well, just not this week of course =)
Way to put words in my mouth. If you had watched him play through the first five weeks, he was missing open receivers and consistently failing to put the ball where he wanted it. That’s being inaccurate. I fully expect he’ll get better as the season progresses and playing well in week 6 does not mean he played well in weeks 1-5.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 19, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gonna eat dirt?
Maybe pay-dirt. IN fact, Knowshon is a starter on my fantasy team this week even though Buck should be back in the lineup. Your Chargers give up over 150 on the ground each week, and the best way to beat Rivers is to keep him off the field.
Well Sunday will be a double whammy for you
when your Donkeys lose and Knowshon gets you 6 fantasy points.
by Natrone Bomb on Oct 16, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's cool
he’s on my fantasy team as well!
by Natrone Bomb on Oct 16, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell me you're starting him???
The only thing better would be if you said you benched ‘your’ LT for ‘our’ KnowMo =)
These teams we field on Monday Night have both shown to be 2nd-half teams this year.
If I were a Chargers fan, I wouldn’t be afraid of putting the game in Rivers’ hands. But as a Bronco fan, I truly think that it just won’t be enough.
I agree lol
You tell us your offensive and Def scheme as we would see it in the first half, we’ll give you what your team normally takes into account at halftime as well, then we will wipe the floor with you….ROFL if only it was that simple….and frankly….I like my football and wish games could be longer…..THATS WHY YOU PLAY THE FIRST HALF!!!! (so those of us who drink can either be beligerent with a win or numb over a loss HAHA)
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Agreed to a degree. If the Chargers can’t either run the ball well or put consistent pressure on Orton, Philip won’t be enough.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 18, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
my take
thanks elvisalex yes rivers is very good in fact better than all but manning peyon why do i think denver will win 1 buck-moneo against u run d 2 if u dont start fast u have no chance scary fact for u chargers m nolan hired n turner really the only play u have are scrnees to sporles best case for the chargers 28-24 SD worst case 30-13 den my pick 27-20 den
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
One point
The teams who scored very high after playing Denver;
Bengals scored 31 after playing Denver who allowed Cinn to get 7
Patriots scored 59 after playing Denver, who allowed Boston 10 I believe.
Food for thought.
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well, believe it buddy, because your comment is full of win, and RIGHT.
Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!
Look at their opponents
The titans for the patriots, Considering the titans a quality opponent ended when they went 0-6, you don’t lose 6 straight games if you are a good team, it doesn’t happen.
The Packers are average at best, I haven’t seen them play a quality game, 2 opponents that they have wins from are the Lions and the Rams, combined 1 win so I see your point with trying to compare what your defense did, and i agree your defense has been good but they are playing a different team.
I would tend to agree that it's an unlikely coincidence
I generally don’t believe in coincidences. Yet, I will say that the Titans do look at least fairly good. Regardless of last year, this year, or preconcieved notions… The Titans might not be a Superbowl contender, but they’re not as bad as their record would seem to indicate. Just my two-cents.
I think the Packers are underrated and that they will could be terrific if they could find a way to protect Rogers.
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 19, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions
I hate this year's Donkey fans
I can’t take it anymore. This incessant praising of the coaching staff, the talk of the “dominant” defense, the Kyle Orton for MVP nonsense. Do these idiots even remember when they wanted to burn Invesco down to the ground when Neckbeard was throwing left-handed picks in the preseason and the Broncos appeared to be mutinous?
Own your myopia Bronco fans! Take me for example. I will always hate Norv. Always. He can parade down Mission Gorge with a SB trophy this year, and I will criticize him for not having two.
You read/watch too much MSM guy
I’m not sure what reality you are from, but that doesn’t describe what I’ve been experiencing with Bronco fans this year. Yeah, we’re stoked about our dominant defense, the fantastic upgrades we’ve gotten in coaching staff, and having a QB that doesn’t throw the other team the ball 2 – 3 times a game…but it isn’t some flip-floppy thing that you’d like to make it into.
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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
If by "MSM" you mean "MHR" . . .
Go dig up those pre-season game day threads. I saw none of the “visionaries” I see now, with the exception of TSG, who showed remarkable restraint.
Ribbit
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 19, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions
Anyone else find it interesting how Denver seems to have the biggest homers of any team we’ve played the last year and a half?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 19, 2009 4:37 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Monday was a figment of everyone's imagination
but the broncos are 6-0, don’t ask me how they just were given a win out of the blue.
Sarcasm off now.
They were the same way last year, though.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 21, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing is the same as last year with the Broncos...And you know that!
by BroncoSense72 on Oct 22, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m referring to Bronco fans not the team.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 22, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I told u folks I would be here if Denver lost....
They didn’t. Good luck on t season. C ya next time, stay classy friends
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