SS Clinton Hart Released by the San Diego Chargers
by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 6:17 PM PDT
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The Chargers released starting strong safety Clinton Hart on Wednesday in order to sign defensive tackle Ian Scott. The Chargers need depth on the defensive line due to the loss of tackle Jamal Williams, out for the season with a triceps injury.
Chargers cut Hart, sign DT Ian Scott
With an ailing and struggling defensive line and a key Monday Night matchup with Denver fast-approaching, the Chargers signed free agent defensive tackle Ian Scott on Wednesday.
The five-year veteran has 95 tackles and two sacks in a career spent mostly with the Chicago Bears. He was a member of the Chargers roster for four games in 2008 but saw limited action.
To make room for Scott, San Diego cut Clinton Hart, who has started 33 games at safety since 2007. He has 16 tackles in four games for a unit that ranks 12th against the pass and has come under a great deal of criticism.
Chargers cut starting safety Hart | ProFootballTalk.com
Hart doesn't have a big name, but he's started 33 out of the 34 games he's played since 2007, so the move should resonate on a defense where there are a number of jobs reportedly up for grabs.
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HO LEE _ _ _ _
they weren’t kidding, nobaodys job was safe.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Hmmm, Yep, I bet Rivers is the next to be cut!
They do mean…NOBODY’S JOB IS SAFE!
A much needed bye week; and two whole weeks to focus the inner hatred of UW even moreso than normal.
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i'm going out on a limb..
and assuming it was mainly the defense that was put on notice. because of thier poor performance, the offense had no real chance of creating a “balanced” attack.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Well...
The releasing of Hart was overdo. Addition by subtraction, hopefully. The defensive backfield can’t be much worse, but it’s not gonna get much better until next year. My hunch is that management and coaches were fed up with his lousy play as opposed to excited about the development of someone playing behind him.
And how does AJ and his brain trust go about addressing the need on the D line? By signing — excuse me, re-signing — a guy they cut before the season started and had on the team last year but never played! That’s subtraction by addition.
by Andy (allfield) on Oct 14, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions
Similar to Forney, I think Scott was brought in last year to “learn the system” and get healthy. And be an emergency body. In both guy’s cases, the year off didn’t help them stay healthy in the preseason.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 15, 2009 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was under the impression that Scott was cut because he wasn’t healthy rather than because they didn’t think he was good enough.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 15, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard the same.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Acee said recently
That it was due to injury and mentioned how it was similar to Forney in that regard.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Okay. That’s what I thought, but I keep hearing people saying how we cut Hart to sign a guy “not good enough” to make the team.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 16, 2009 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Why Scapegoat Hart?
Must be more to this story or Clinton Hart just got “scapegoated”.
“Hey Chargers” if the Defense especially the DB’s are tackling poorly and in the wrong scheme maybe the coaching and their philosophy has something to do with it. How many sacks do Merriman and Phillips have combined? ZERO! Things that make you say HMMMM?HEY Def play with some passion and heart this week against Denver and they won’t score 20 points, play like soft, lifeless,swiss cheese and Rivers will need to put up 40+ to win.
'Schmidty"
is this an escondido schmidt???
"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
by notorioushbi on Oct 15, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
very true
although hart was not a quality starter, he was definitely a scapegoat for an under performing defense, same as how ted cottrell was the scapegoat last year (although i still believe he underutilized our pash rushing LB’s so it was a more reasonable move)
I must also add I’m on the same boat as ramcharger…i came across this blog on my gf’s mobile phone and its so refreshing to have a blog that intellectually analyzes our team and our oppenents and not just a bunch of senseless, repetitive smack talk
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
The hat and the basket are made of marijuana. The fruit is actually tamales.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 15, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
then where the hell is my hat and fruit basket!?!?!?
"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
by notorioushbi on Oct 15, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
We are just now getting the welcoming committee together.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Gordi’s making all of the tamales himself
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 15, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
At his backyard BBQ in the mean streets of El Cajon
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
cornhusk?
"that wasn't a very good start to us getting our lives together. i didn't even go to work today."
...ya'll are brutalizing me... ronnie dobbs
by notorioushbi on Oct 15, 2009 1:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the technical term is hemp
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah yes
“hemp” it is.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 15, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see it as scapegoating no matter what Hart says.
I can’t blame him for being emotional; I know how it feels to do your best and get fired anyway, and it sucks. But they kept Hart because they have five young safeties and can’t afford for them to go bust if they let him go. But it looks like Hart isn’t a big step up over the better 3 of these kids (Weddle, Gregory, Ellison) who are all on their way up, and Hart’s as good as he’s going to ever be. You need to shore up the DL, so you need a roster spot… just business.
If Rivera pans Hart to the media, you can talk about scapegoating: he was part of the problem, but just one part among many, and at least he was doing his best. This move is about getting younger at safety and shoring up at DT. Hart will be a backup somewhere where they got a promising young guy and just want insurance for two or three years. Or he can be the UFL’s version of Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu rolled into one. Or he can take his rags-to-riches story as-is and retire.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 15, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes, you're just not the guy.
When I was 19, I got a job as a window washer. I loved the work, liked the money, and got my windows very clean. But I’m a big fella, and high-end residential window-washing just isn’t a big man’s job. I was constantly finding myself on roofs that would barely hold my weight, and I was squeezing into spots that really weren’t made for people, and constantly bumping my head. To make it worse, a major element of the job when those funny spaces wasn’t an issue was crossing the body with the arm in a windmill-like motion, and doing so as quickly and safely as possible. My buddy who got the job was like five-foot six, and except on the big picture windows there was no way I could keep up. So one night we were all out for beers, and the boss told me she had to let me go. C’est la vie. Got a retail job after that, where I got to talk to people and move big heavy stuff around on high shelves, lasted most of the way through college.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 16, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Good personal connection to this article
A much needed bye week; and two whole weeks to focus the inner hatred of UW even moreso than normal.
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Agreed.
I think this was more about needing another body on the defensive line and thus needing to free up a roster spot. Obviously we had more safeties than we needed so the most expendable of them was cut. Seems simple enough to me.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 15, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
Do you think it has anything to do with money? I don’t think Hart was making that much but it just seems like weird timing.
They must REALLY like Spillman to keep him on the roster even after all those injuries on the OL and DL. Now, they cut their most experienced safety for 2 rookies and a 2nd year guy (Oliver, or is he in his 3rd season?).
"It's all part of the plan." Jeff Moorad and The Joker in the Dark Knight.
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"I don't feel this team can beat us four times," Mo Williams 5/21
If it was about money, they would have cut him before Week 1.
He wasn’t a marked improvement over the guys behind him, but he’s not young and they are. That’s all.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 15, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Ellison hits...
HARD. Yeah speed is speed but he will mostly be covering short down situations, TEs, WRs going down the middle, etc. This guy knows how to lay down wood. Other than Jammer, who else in our secondary has the knack/size to do this? I’m all for this shake up. Hope Rivera calls few safety blitzes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA7iUhVqiEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDTV1qOZPdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSxKUKUzQoA (he’s #4)
Yeah I'm in the Ellison boat :)
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Spillman and Oliver better, but I woudn’t be angry to get proven wrong.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 15, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Spillman on the roster or the PS?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Active roster.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 15, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
What have they got to lose?
I think this move accomplishes several things. One, it sends a message that poor play could get you canned. Two, it gets the young players some playing time and allows them to see “what they got”. And as stated, it freed up a spot to add another D lineman. They realized that they needed to do something to try and stop the run. Whether it works or not is yet to be seen. I remember reading in the off season that AJ said several players were on notice, that this was a make or break year for them. If cromartie doesn’t get his stuff together, he make get cut. If they don’t start playing better, then this year may turn out to be an “evaluation” year where they decide what needs to be done in the off season to rebuild.
by irishlad on Oct 15, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I didn't understand cutting Gatrell, and I don't get this
We have Nick Hardwick out at least until December, probably a non-factor for the remainder of the year. We could have IR’d Nick to free up a spot and kept Hart.
If they didn’t like Hart as a starter, they could have bumped him down. But cut him and cut our depth?
I do not get it ?!?!?!
Can someone PLEASE sweeten up my Kool-Aid AJ is killing my buzz.
Playoffs? You talkin bout playoffs?
We need our all pro center for the playoffs.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure we need Nick
I’m saying Nick will not be right until next year. I think we’d do best to accept that Hardwick is broke down rather than cutting starters. Plus we get to keep ‘em both.
How much does depth at Safety factor into our playoff picture with our suspect DL? A lot in my book.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 15, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Or maybe he's got a good chance of coming back?
And that’s why they haven’t IR’ed him?
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 15, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah maybe this is different than the other five times...
Let’s just say his leg heals perfectly (BIG IF IMO)….
He is still out of condition, probably over weight and completely out of sync with the rest of the guys and the schemes. How does Nick get it back online quickly enough with so few games remaining? He doesn’t.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 15, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
He actually came back in 2006 and 2007
after injury and played well.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 15, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Not to mention Mooch is supposed to be the backup OG, not the starting Center
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by John Gennaro on Oct 15, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Did we really need more depth there? He wasn’t really bringing anything to the table that Ellison wasn’t anymore.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John Gennaro on Oct 15, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
As of now
I do not consider Ellison an improvement over Hart. And I won’t appoint him our savior until he proves to be a quite capable player.
I do truly hope for the sake of this team that he proves me dead wrong!
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I don’ think he’s supposed to be the savior. If there’s simply little or no dropoff in quality from Hart to Ellison this is a good move because we need the depth at d-line.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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by Richard Wade on Oct 15, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed
there is no one shot solution for the D. so until the D line gets some penetration, and starts to take on the double team, and hold thier ground, the young guys are going to be there for run support mostly.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
Well, "savior" was probably too excessive of a word to use,
But people are gushing over him, Yet, we have not seen anything from him in the NFL yet. I hope he does contribute, thus prove me wrong
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Right. My point, though, is that even if he’s “almost as good as Clinton Hart,” this is a positive move for the team.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 15, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That's just the USC hater in you talking
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Belive me, there are soooo many schools I hate more than USC
Such as, Notre Dame, Chokelahoma, Washington, Texas, Alabama, Oregon State, BYU, Oklahoma State, LSU, UGA, Well, every SEC team…12 right there. Then comes USC.
I just have heard so many times about a new young player that is supposed to be an upgrade…And fails.
I do truly hope that he proves me so freaking wrong!!! I Hope Like Hell I Am Wrong About Him!!!
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I forgot to Put tOSU in my list :)
Damn Buckeyes
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Ok
Now put a picture of Kyle Orton in your avatar pic
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Also I hate Oregon for losing to Boise St
and now everyone thinks they are a decent football team when they clearly are not.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Belive me, we all formally apologize for
screwing the pooch that night. They were playing their only game for the entire season (I don’t consider the WAC a conference), and we just kind of sucked. We are a much improved team now…If we played again-we would win!
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ESPN Accuscore
I was on the ESPN website earlier today and I saw that Brandon Marshall has had little to no success when matched up against Jammer, and about 90+% of his success against the Chargers D when Cromartie is covering him. So they suggested Jammer should cover Marshall at all times. Personally, I like that idea, as Jammer is probably the most steady player on D this year.
Well.... Yeah ?
Who else is physical enough to defend Marshall?? Of course its got to be Jammer, Marshall climbs over / runs over any of the other CBs. At least Jammer make him pay the price and makes the tackle.
by Trendsearcher on Oct 16, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh-huh.
As much as possible, Jammer on the #1, in this case BM. When Cro has to cover BM, you have to give him help.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 16, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
which is why i also suspect the change at SS was made.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
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