Goodbye Clinton Hart
Clinton Hart has been released -- ka via SDUTChargers on Twitter
over 2 years ago
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Yeah he sucks but we have depth issues
Hopefully this means a trade is in the works!
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 14, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions
We signed Ian Scott
He can’t play SS, though
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/chargers/2009/oct/14/hart-cut/?chargers
by matthewverygood on Oct 14, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
True
Gregory has outplayed Hart, but I don’t like Gregory much as the starter.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Crossing my fingers
Maybe C.J. Spillman gets a shot?
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Ellison might get the start
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 14, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Doubt it
Especially not against a passing offense like Denver’s.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
However
Maybe one gets activated and can make an impact on special teams.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
Acee
has been saying for the last couple weeks he thinks Ellison should get significant playing time.
For what it’s worth.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 14, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh Oh Oh!
The Indianapolis Colts waived starting defensive tackle Ed Johnson. Does this help us?
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 14, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions
Yes
but he has a ton of baggage. I wonder why they’d waive him?
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Vinateri went down. They signed Matt Stover and needed a roster spot
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 14, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
But wasn’t he starting? I’m sure they could’ve waived someone else.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno
here’s the explanation on the Colts SBNation blog
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 14, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Can we afford to be picky?
If his offense (even if there was one) is minor enough to fly under the radar of Goodell I’m for signing him.
Does he have a pulse?
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by Brian (DaBolts) on Oct 14, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If that answer is yes
Then the next question is can he just hold the middle? If so we have an improvement.
Guys was Hart a decent player, strictly a back-up; was he a player who had good football intellegence or is
he a boneheaded player?
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Hart was done.
All heart, just declined below the minimum level of ability (a couple “aptronyms” on this team, like Jammer). Congrats on making an NFL career, man, and thanks for the memories.
Hopefully this means we’re getting either a good safety or a nose tackle. Ian Scott is a better option than most options at this point… but he’s not the cure for what ails us.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 14, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
first use of "aptronyms" at BFTB
congrats
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought that was a typo :/
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 14, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm curious.
What did you think it was supposed to say?
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by Richard Wade on Oct 14, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't really know I kind of just ignored it.
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 14, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think that strategy is gonna work
When you start looking through contracts…
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by Wonko on Oct 14, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Totally recc'd.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 14, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 14, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec’d for “aptronyms.”
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 14, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
absolutely
you just, like, doubled the IQ of this thread.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 14, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm wondering why...
Rivera hasn’t thrown in any 4-3 looks as of yet. We’ve been getting blown off the line of scrimmage since J-Wall went down. And a quality NT for a 3-4 alignment is nowhere to be found on our roster. I was getting a bit tired of Hart making an oxymoron of his position, and I’d like to see Ellison in there. With all of the zone we’ve been playing; I’d like to see some hitting going on. We’ve looked like creampuffs so far in that respect…
by BleedsBlueNgold on Oct 14, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions
From an earlier conversation
The defense has generally been less effective with four down linemen this year.
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by Richard Wade on Oct 13, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richard…
it was ineffective in 08’ with 3 down linemen. i think the problem is simply much more deeper than switchng allignments. and that should be (obvious) by now. 4-3 or 3-4 try either one, but it won’t matter. from what i’ve seen on tape they seem to be trying to get the players to play within a boxed scheme. and they’ve never done that until Wade left. he alwyas seem to adjust his schemes to the players abilities, and it worked. as well in dallas.
The peanut gallery has spoken!!!
by gatesoftds on Oct 13, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re ineffective in most sets right now. I’m just pointing out that they’ve been at their worst playing with four down linemen.
Bolts from the Blue // “Game over.” – Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // “Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.” – H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 13, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
OMG
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 14, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If I go on a killing spree
The people endlessly bringing up 4-3 defenses will be to blame
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Turned you green.
I agree 100%. We don’t have the players to run an effective 4-3. End of story.
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Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 14, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, I don't think you were clear...
What is your stance on a 4-3?
In all seriousness, I speak for virtually all of us when I say…“stop posting about running a 4-3!!!”
A much needed bye week; and two whole weeks to focus the inner hatred of UW even moreso than normal.
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My over-simplified definition of a "perfect" 3-4 and 4-3 defense
3-4: Big NT and ends who soak up blockers, creative blitz packages featuring safeties and OLBs, and MLBs who tend towards coverage.
4-3: Two bodies in the middle who try to collapse the pocket, two quicker pass-rushing ends, and linebackers with somewhat less range (but efficient tacklers).
The Chargers’ ideal 3-4 scheme has gone to hell with the injuries to Williams, Merriman, Castillo, Cesaire, Burnett, Ron Rivera’s brain…
However. Implementing a 4-3 would not work simply because we don’t have the personnel for it. Would you move Castillo inside and have a line of Martin, Nwagbuo, he and Cesaire? Doesn’t work. Martin has nice explosion but even running flat-out wouldn’t be a good rush end. I have always had a gripe with Jacques because he can’t seem to beat his man, ever, on passing downs. OG may be able to play end, but also doesn’t suit the scheme.
So what, you say? We’ll bump English and perhaps Philips to end?
Nope. They’re undersized and would get pimpslapped by opposing tackles. Look at the ones coming up on our schedule over the next 5 weeks:
Ryan Clady (solid) and some other guy
Kareem McKenzie and David Diehl (big, tough fellas)
Jason Peters and Winston Justice (studs)
[Also those of the Raiders and Chiefs, who are of no concern.]
Also, that puts Applewhite or Tucker on the field on every play. That is a big no-no.
Maybe Merriman!
Absolutely not. How would his knee/groin hold up in a more physically rigorous position than OLB?
So you see, it just doesn’t work. Enough talk about all this and let’s just get the hell on with it.
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Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 14, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
You know I was being sarcastic about my comment...Right?
But perfectly explained why the 4-3 would suck some serious nuts right now
A much needed bye week; and two whole weeks to focus the inner hatred of UW even moreso than normal.
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Hey, first-ever rec'd comment.
I must be getting better at this.
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--Gnarls Barkley, "Feng Shui"
Firmly of the "Go Cesaire-- And Take Chambers With You" camp.
Can we PLEASE draft Ali Villanueva of Army this year??? I'd mortgage a kidney for a tackle/wideout hybrid.
by StrangeBroP25 on Oct 14, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
i get the argument against the 4-3, but i don’t really understand the whole “undersized” bit.
The giants defensive ends are roughly the same size as Shawne and Shaun, and Robert Mathis from the colts is about the same size as Applewhite/Tucker/English. It is possible from a size standpoint, but could the chargers guys play as well as the others?
Still, I agree a switch to the 4-3 wouldn’t help much.
I was wondering for those of you that look closely at the game tape
How does clinton hart play? could you give us a bit of a run down on how he plays and how much of the shit talking was warranted?
The knocks against Hart are that he doesn’t have the skills to start anymore. He’s not fast enough, strong enough and he’s a very poor tackler. Is he usually in the right position? He certainly tries to be, and doesn’t make a ton of mental mistakes. The fact of the matter is that he can’t cover anybody and he’s not good against the run. At this point he’s a backup at best, and Ellison offers more potential there.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with pretty much every word of that.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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by Richard Wade on Oct 14, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering if he was a good back-up/special teams player. If he is a smart player he would be an
upgrade or present a challenge for our current back-up safety here on the cowboys. Do you think he could be a good back-up?
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Yes
although watch out for missed tackles on ST.
He had a great season under Wade Phillips a few years back, btw.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
As far as I'm aware
his best season was in 2007 when he started next to McCree. He was second on the team in interceptions with 6 picks.
Greg Maddux for manager.
by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 14, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn, that was the first year Wade was gone and not his last year with the team, wasn’t it?
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
This is correct
Wade’s last year was 2006 along with Marty and Cam.
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Think Jammer might take his spot?
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 14, 2009 11:41 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
It won't happen
but I’d vote for giving it a shot. Your best 3 DB’s are all corners, so why not get your best people on the field!
Good News Everyone!
Merriman, Johnson, Cesaire, Ian Scott all on field — ka
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 14, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll be your negative huckleberry
so Cooper and Phillips still aren’t?
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 14, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not worried about them.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Heads up for an influx of healthy starters.
Do you think Travis Johnson and Buster Davis are roommates yet?
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, Scott is immediately listed at #2 NT
ahead of Martin.
by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 14, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions
That's not surprising
I heard some comments recently (probably from Acee though) that basically said the Chargers were high on Scott, but injuries made him a roster cut casualty. I guess they think he’s healthy again. If nothing else, it gives us a fresh body to throw at the problem. Not terribly exciting though.
Wisdom can not be cultivated through ignorance of information.
I've been saying sign Ian Scott since week 2
And was being criticized for it. It’s not the same help someone like Shaun Rogers would provide but it’ll help a lot more than that bum we got from the Texans. Watch that draft pick we gave for him turn into some sleeper stud for them, F’n H!
I was not expecting this...
I do not feel comfortable at safety now…For some reason, I cannot stand Steve Gregorty back there, I just cannot do it!
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I 2nd that!
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by ChargersWitch on Oct 14, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You felt comfortable before? Gregory was playing most of the time there anyways. This is neither an improvement nor a decline.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
EXACTLY!
“neither an improvement nor a decline”, If a situation such as this is applied to a position of poor performance….It is not exactly a comfortable sitation in my book. The only reason to maintain comfort before was some depth that had game experience. Now all we have left besides Gregory, is Ellison and Spillman…Yes, they could play well I’m sure, But there sure is not a whole lotta game experience between the two of them!
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YES!
i’m so happy he’s gone. i’m going to light fireworks and run around the street in the rain.
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I called charger station and told them clinton hart is not playing good and they disagreed
I would put antonio cromartie there just like he used to
?
Antonio Cromartie used to play SS? What is Charger Station?
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by John Gennaro on Oct 14, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that never happened. The closest he’s gotten is playing the deep man on hail mary coverage.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 15, 2009 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Why? What is served by putting him at a position his skills are even less suited to?
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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by Richard Wade on Oct 15, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Cuz BFTB_Zach thinks its a good idea
I think the Chargers should run a Rocky Long 3-3-5 defense. (Actually, that’s not an awful idea with our personal…)
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 15, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That would at least be entertaining.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Oct 15, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure this stands on it's own as "addition via subtraction"
I still think there has to be more in the works here, otherwise this makes no sense. There has to be either a trade in the works, or one of the darkhorses like Spillman or Ellison has really shown something in practice.
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