Week 5 Recap: Around the AFC West

this is not a good sign...

" A finger or two in the air shows how much we care"

by ChargersWitch on Oct 11, 2009 5:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

What do 2008 playoff teams have to do with anything?

with as much turnover as there is in this league, you should know better.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I like that you called him Austin Miles

b/c that’s about how familiar America is with him.

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 11, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The Broncos are not the team they were in 2008, and neither are a lot of those playoff teams from 2008. 5&0 THIS year… and looking forward to Monday night and the Super Bowl bound Chargers. You all still are Super Bowl bound, right?
Not really starting anything.. but after all the talking down Charger fans have done this year, this up coming week should be hoppin.

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal

by tannji on Oct 11, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think you've been watching too much ESPN.

I don’t think too many Charger fans were all that confident.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 11, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

No kidding.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Oct 11, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's one of those things....

everyone was pinning SD to win the division and be a shoe in for the super bowl this year. Not so fast….

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think most Charger fans have become desensitized to those kind of premature prognostications

At the risk of being presumptuous, most Charger fans I know are at the “put up or shut up” stage.

by CoastalBronco on Oct 11, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

The "most talented team in the NFL" underachiever image just isn't true.

At least on the defensive side of the ball. And without Jamal Williams. Uggggh. This is a whole other story with a healthy Jamal. Can’t worry about excuses or the Broncos (except for this week) we just gotta focus on making OUR team better and not worry about what everyone else has proclaimed us to be.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 11, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Must win a week from tomorrow.

Still should be tough for the Donks to come to Qualcomm to play a rested Charger team after a tough OT win.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 11, 2009 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

In the throwbacks too

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Oct 11, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm more afraid of Rivers than I am of Brady

Brady was off a few times today, and SD has better receivers. As long as SD’s defense can hang tough, Orton is looking very good now that the glove is off, it should be a good game.

by CoastalBronco on Oct 11, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's going to hinge on whether the Chargers D can figure out how to stop Knowshon

Rivers is undefeated in his career against Denver (minus Hochuli) but the Chargers defense has left something to be desired to put it lightly. If the Chargers D can hold up, Chargers offense will get them the W but if they Chargers D looks like it did against the Steelers, its going to be a long night in San Diego.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 11, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It should be a fun night for sure mate.

Monday night football? Division rivals? chyeah. That qualifies for a good night.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Should be a fantastic game with a playoff atmosphere

The prime-time games have been lacking that so far this season.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 11, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

the colts vs the titans? come on man. That’s such a weak prime time game!!!

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that anybody expected Tenn to be winless

when they scheduled the games in the offseason, I would have agreed that it would be a good game as well

A much needed bye week; and two whole weeks to focus the inner hatred of UW even moreso than normal.

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by CaDuck on Oct 11, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, I guess when they made the schedules

it seemed like a great prime time game. The flex scheduling doesn’t take effect until November right? Week 11?

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They try and hit

Sure fire games

by Dude52089 on Oct 11, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even then

flex scheduling only applies to Sunday night games. Can’t flex out MNF.

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 11, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was talking about the Colts/Titans game...

surely some games were more fit to be prime time than this one.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wanted AJ to draft that guy...shucks.

Chance favors the prepared mind.......

by Gorditoe1 on Oct 12, 2009 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

rivera better have a game plan.

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by tonik on Oct 11, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

hey guys

even if u beat us den still will win 10- 11 games

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Oct 11, 2009 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah

but u play @NYG @ DAL WE WILL SPIT our games philly at home for u guys the only games that loseable for den the 2 sd games @ bait @ indy @ philly

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Oct 11, 2009 7:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

can u match 12-4

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Oct 11, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I just threw up in mouth

after i realized i’ve spent the last two weeks rooting for the cowgirls, and pansies to beat the broncos. we are at the quarter mark and already looking for help to stay competitive within the division.

but hey it’s only four games, plenty of football left to play…..riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Oct 11, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Really???

“Denver is 5-0 and has played ZERO 2008 playoff teams. The Chargers are 2-2 and have played three 2008 playoff teams. The Chargers have three 2008 playoff teams left to play, the Broncos have six.”

Well, I guess you guys will be a force to be rekoned with when they replay the 2008 playoffs latter this year… So far THIS season, we’ve played two likely playoff teams (Bengals and Pats) as well as one other possible contender (Cowboys), which matches your slate except we actually beat them all.

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by ejruiz on Oct 11, 2009 7:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHA the cowgirls a possible contender

What are you smoking and can i have some?

The broncos look good, I am not saying they aren’t but today was your win against a real team, The Immaculate Deflection is the only reason you are 5-0 but you are 5-0. Season isn’t over yet though I remember last year all that we heard from Denver in the playoffs was them choking away the division. See you guys in San Diego next week. Still division champs until you take it.

by Dude52089 on Oct 11, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cowboys are about as possible as the Dolts so far.

not saying anything, I’m just saying.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ya i agree with you on that front

But season isn’t over.

by Dude52089 on Oct 11, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

true that.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huh, what? You baffle me.

not saying anything, I’m just saying.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 11, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What I find incredible is the confidence being shown by fans of a team that had one of the most epic collapses in recent memory just last season.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Oct 11, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We find it absolutely incredible as well!!!!

And very sweet to have to deal with. I’ll say it again…. you are wasting your digital ink comparing this team to last years team.

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal

by tannji on Oct 11, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not comparing the teams.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Oct 11, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously?

Dude, you are grasping at straws here. We have a new coaching staff and 53% of our roster is new; quit talking about last year…

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by ejruiz on Oct 11, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

53% can I see the math on that one?

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 11, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

does it matter?

even a blind man can tell you that Denver 2009 is TOTALLY different than Denver 2008. Any comparisons between the 2 is a moot point.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody is making a comparison

You donkey fans are fabricating it in a desperate attempt to proclaim victory after 1/4 of a season. Relax.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 11, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everyone is comparing....

and we were responding to this:

What I find incredible is the confidence being shown by fans of a team that had one of the most epic collapses in recent memory just last season.

No one can believe that we can be this much better than last year…. except some of us, and I for one am completely relaxed =)

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal

by tannji on Oct 11, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think John was saying that there is a lot of football to play

rather than comparing this team to last year’s. A lot can happen in the next 12 weeks and, although Denver is in a great position, recent experience might dictate a bit of humility.

by CoastalBronco on Oct 11, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

oops, what "Richard" was saying

by CoastalBronco on Oct 11, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just to be clear, I’m not suggesting that Bronco fans ought to be humble, just that I’m surprised that they’re not more skeptical after what they went through last season.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Oct 11, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

At first I was bemused that my post was removed…. until I remembered that I had invited you to rewrite your statement. Just didn’t expect my post to be struck.
Understandable though, I suppose.
Many fans are skeptical…. but the reason more of us aren’t is that there are very few similarities between the two teams. New coach, 3 new QBs, New DC, and almost half of our starters were not starting for us last year. That is a lot of culture change, and it is most obviously manifested in our defense. I think you might have seen the offense doing a little manifesting of their own today, as well. These teammates believe in each other and perform for each other. There is accountability that has been missing for a long time, and there is no Cutler. (There apparently is no Cutler in Chicago either, as he seems to be emulating Orton lately, but that is another conversation.)
If you truly look at the situation, personnel, and culture, and compare that to the last several years, it should become easier to see why we are not as skeptical as might be expected.

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal

by tannji on Oct 11, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I removed my post because I thought better of it (before your response actually, but you probably hadn’t refreshed the page so you still saw it).

Fair points, I suppose. What do you think separates McDaniels from the other Belichick disciples?

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Oct 12, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know this was directed at tannji, but I'll have a go at it:

What makes McD different?

1. He is nothing like Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennel or Charlie Weis
2. He actually waited to become a coach until he knew it was time.
3. He’s 5-0, no other BB-disciple has ever been that.
4. He’s got the respect of everyone in the locker room.
5. He’s taken Matt Cassel (who is struggling hard in KC) and Kyle Orton and made both of them look like superstar QB’s. Who would have thought Orton could be considered a pro bowl type quarterback? That probably wouldn’t happen under any other coach.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 12, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I actually agree that McD is different

So I guess I’m with you on point 1.
Point 2 makes no sense to me (anyone else?)
Point 3 seems like cherrypicking. Mangini took his team to the playoffs his first year and Weis had one of NDs best seasons of the decade his first year. Both are better accomplishments than 5-0.
Point 4 is probably related to point 3. I’m pretty sure that the lack of confidence in Crennel was his undoing, but I don’t see how it gives McD an advantage over the other 2.
Point 5, Orton and Cassel, superstars, puh-lease. Orton may make the pro bowl, but compare his protection and open receivers to Chicago and it’s night and day. If you’re point is that McD’s offense helps QBs look good, then that makes sense, but they aren’t superstars because of him. I’m not sure that Orton has made half the great throws that Rivers has made this year (and I’m not even claiming that Rivers is a superstar).

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Ok....

I’m not making an argument out of it…

I’m not sure that Orton has made half the great throws that Rivers has made this year (and I’m not even claiming that Rivers is a superstar).

Wins and losses are all that matters. Is KO a superstar? No, he’s not. If Denver gets deep in the playoffs and KO continues getting better over the next 3 years, is he a super star? Yes he will be.

Look, I’m not saying McD breeds greatness. I know he doesn’t poo shiny gold stars. I get that. However, if you’re unwilling to admit that he took a career backup and made him one of the more wealthy players in the league, and now is taking the “noodle arm” (completely stupid argument), and make that “noodle arm” what he has been recently.

You can’t deny the fact that McDaniels knows what he’s doing. If it happens once, you get lucky. If you do it twice, you know what you’re doing.

I like Phillip Rivers, and I think he’s one of the best QB’s in the game right now. However, a good quarterback won’t make you a playoff team, look at the 2008 Denver Broncos.

I hope you don’t think I’m trying to start a fight with you, I’m just saying that it takes more than a few great throws from a quarterback to win games. I know that first hand.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 12, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps if the 2008 Broncos had a QB as good as Rivers they would have made the playoffs.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Oct 12, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

doubtful...

don’t get me wrong, like I said, I think PR is an incredibly solid QB, but sometimes that’s not enough to make up for the garbage the defense is on the field.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 12, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, Cutler did throw away a couple games that had you guys won any of, you’d have made the playoffs.

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Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Oct 12, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's the big difference between Cutler/Rivers

When the game’s on the line, Rivers will keep your team in it. Cutler will try and do too much, and make costly turnovers while doing it.

Rivers, to me, seems to thrive on the pressure. Cutler folds under pressure. That’s the x-factor that will keep Cutler from ever winning a Super Bowl or any meaningful playoff game.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 12, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

McDaniels is different

You might want to read one of the various pieces floating around the web, but I will summarize…
McDaniels has lived the life of Football acolyte since he was knee-high. He has known what he wanted to be just as long. I think he knew what he needed to do to fulfill his goals almost that long as well. He is not your normal individual, and he didn’t go about getting where he is in a typical fashion. He has taken the hard path, and done his best at every turn to learn to the fullest extent what was available to be learned. Growing up the son of a successful coach was a great start. (Josh insisted upon carrying his own clipboard with the real plays as a young child…. and he could diagram them all upon demand) Playing starting QB for one of Ohio’s elite programs as an undersized beanpole who won and lost the big games gave him perspective. He earned a degree in mathematics because it helped his thought and analytic process. He started at a young age with the Patriots at the ground level, and rapidly earned a steady progression up the ladder under their coach. He was QB coach for perhaps the best QB in the league… and was credited with improving him when that wasn’t necessarily considered possible. He called the plays for the undefeated season, a year before he was officially designated the OC. As OC, he took a QB who hadn’t played a snap since high school, who was on NO ONE’S radar, and went 11-5 with him. He sees beyond the readily apparent or blatantly obvious in a situation, and looks for the potential, instead of the negative. He doesn’t over-value a player at the expense of a team, nor does he write one off who regardless of what he deserves, could be salvaged. He has elite potential wrapped in humility and humor.
He passed over several job offers and stayed with NE because he knew he needed more experience, and because he wanted Belichek’s blessing and help. Because of that respect and grounding, he received both. His players believe in him and say he works harder every day and every week to prepare them for the current opponent than anyone they have ever been around.
Very little of that can be said of any of the other “disciples”… and none of them have the depth or variety of his football education.

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Shaquille O'Neal

by tannji on Oct 12, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

So Broncos fans are kindof high on McDaniels, huh?

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by John Gennaro on Oct 12, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's no way this praise is new too

I’m sure they felt the same way when he came into town and kicked out The Incredible Sulk

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's no way this praise is new too

If you are saying that we have been blind homers ever since Shannie got canned and Bowlen brought in the impudent pup…. no. i was at first skeptical but open-minded. when we traded Cutler I was outraged. I wasn’t in love with Cutler, but come on! The Franchise, right? When we didn’t take all the defenders in the draft that the media assumed we would, I became concerned, but cautiously positive. When Brandon announced he was though in Denver, and the Media blamed it on McDaniels, I flipped out, threw temper tantrums, called the manhood and judgment of Bowlen and McDaniels in question, and generally pouted for a couple of weeks.
I settled down…. but finally got a little pissed in the pre-season when Orton stunk it up. I have been in a gradually happier place ever since then. So, no… it IS kinda new to me.

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal

by tannji on Oct 12, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I was being facetious

damn internet. sarcasm fail.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

= )

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal

by tannji on Oct 12, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh believe me

I’m skeptical. I’m always going to be critical too. This Broncos team is by no means perfect. Period. I would never ever say that we are a perfect team. However, given all the turnover that happened in the offseason, it’s hard to use last season as any kind of gauge for anything—good and bad.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

unfortunately

we’re not so lucky. we “virtually” have the same everything, from last year.

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Oct 11, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you think Norv's done after this year?

Between the two of us, I wouldn’t mind Mike Holmgren doing a few things for the Chargers. There is a LOT of talent on your team—especially offense. A guy like Holmgren could do some good things with that.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 12, 2009 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

it all depends

This is definately an important year. If we lose the division( one of the worst divisions)and dont atleast get wildcard then i think hes out. Even if we do get in the wildcard if we dont get to atleast the afc champ game then i think hes out. Yes the Chargers have gotten farther in the playoffs with Norv then we did with Marty, but we still dont have that championship, and we got that far only on the back of Rivers. I think he needs to turn it around now and get the chargers rolling. He cant get away with scraping by at 8-8 and making it into the playoffs by miracles and luck alone. The offense is one of the best in the leagues and the D used to be good. If we are just going to bottom out in the playoffs with Norv then whats the point of sacking Marty?

by Brian K on Oct 12, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I always liked Marty Schotty

I was puzzled when he was ousted from SD. I’m a Broncos fan, so any turmoil within the division can’t be bad, however, Marty was a hell of a coach for SD. Some of the best Broncos/Chargers games in the past 20 years have come when Marty was the head coach, you know what I mean?

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by Joe Medina on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You would like Marty as our coach

considering the Chargers were 4-6 against the Broncos under him, whereas under Turner they’re 4-0.

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 12, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

3-H.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 12, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

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by Joe Medina on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve always felt that if you give Schottenheimer bad team, he’ll make them good and that if you give hm a great team, he’ll make them good.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 12, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Ditto

He’s the Larry Brown of the NFL.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 12, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah.

I just looked over the roster and counted 28 guys (out of 53, which gives you 52.8%) that are playing their first season in the Orange and Blue. We have two new starters on offense (Orton and Buckhalter/Moreno) and eight on defense (everyone but Champ, D.J. Williams and Elvis Dumervil), giving you 50% of the starters. This is a new team…

"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999

by ejruiz on Oct 11, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've hated the Broncos...

for as long as I care to remember. Watching the end of the game, I still hated them (but hated Brady and the Pats more for not winning when I wanted them to). Seeing the emotion of McDaniels (fist pumps), though, really made me happy for him. This is really a new roster, as you’ve stated. Marshall is still a bad person, and Champ is arrogant and overrated, but this isn’t (yet) the Shanahan cut blocking-cheating, whining (boohoo Rivers is mean) Broncos team.

I’ll root for them to lose every week that SD needs them to, and will cheer my head and heart out for the Chargers next week.

Today, though, I’m happy for the Broncos and for McDaniels.

by Hoot1969 on Oct 12, 2009 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough.

Looks like a great game coming up.

The Denver rushing game v. the San Diego front seven looks interesting, could decide the game. I don’t know if Buckhalter will be back but the Broncos could sure use him. How will other injuries affect this battle? And the Broncos passing game v. the Charger D back field. With Marshall reassuming his role Royal was finally free from the double teams. The Charger passing game v. the Bronco D back field has epic struggle written all over it. Rivers, argueably the best QB in the game today and a remarkable receiving corps v. two certain hall of famers (de-emphasis added) and the rest of the DB’s playing at a high level. And the historic Bolts rushing game v. a Denver no-name front seven. All very intrigueing.

This looks to be another great game.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Oct 12, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just exacerbates the importance of next Monday night.

If we win, we’ve still got the inside track. If Denver wins, we’re basically looking for a wild card.

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 11, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Let just face it that the Donkeys are for real for now.

I’m not gonna take anything away from them, there is still a lot of football left to play and they can either flop or stay strong or be like the Titans and lose first game of the playoffs. Either way as a Charger fan I’m trying to stay concerned about our team. The Donkeys aren’t the measuring stick for the NFL, but we can’t fool ourselves into thinking that we are even at a playoff caliber level of play right now. I’m gonna stay positive about the Chargers and not give up on them unless the season is for sure over for us. Hopefully we turn this thing around and do it fast.

by Harsh_619 on Oct 11, 2009 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

and a defense that continues to be just good enough

The Donkeys aren’t the measuring stick for the NFL

Yikes!

Look, I respect PR’s abilities, and you guys have a really good team. It is going to be a tough, hard fought game next week. But the quotes above are really out of touch with the facts.

We had a really good, respectful back-and-forth with Pats fans this past week, and we (broncos fans on MHR) expect the same from our SD brethren.

You have a good team, we have a good team, may the best team win. Good, hard fought football, no injuries.

Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA

by Rzeppa on Oct 11, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

No disrespect was intended.

I was just trying to make a point that while I think the Donkeys as of right now are a really good team, especially on defense, it’s too soon to look at them the same way you would as some other upper echelon teams. I even said at the beginning of my comment I wasn’t trying to take anything away from them. And if your mad cause I’m saying Donkeys and not Broncos but sorry that’s not gonna change it’s just friendly bashing you guys do it too.

by Harsh_619 on Oct 11, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's a fair argument.

Is Denver worthy of being compared to the perennial greats? No they are not. They haven’t earned it yet. I understand that, and I respect that.

Are they the measuring stick for success across the league? No they aren’t.

Are they the measuring stick for winning the AFC West? Yes they are.

John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)

by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

point taken

Believe me when I say I’m not comfortable or happy with how the Chargers are playing, especially the defense. In all honesty I am more enamored with defense in football than offense and am willing to admit I am envious of the Broncos defense right now. I’ve never seen a nastier 5’ 11’’ defender than Dumervil.

by Harsh_619 on Oct 11, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doom has really been a highlight that NO ONE was expecting.

Any Bronco fan that admits they knew that prior to this year starting is a liar.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

and can respect that. mondany night all questions will be answered. but in the mean time i cling to the fact that, “you are what you are”. SD 2-2, D 5-0. i truly believe my team can turn things around, but what fan doesn’t believe that. but inspite of all our problems, i’ve to another fact. every team/fan, has been worried about us.

why? we almost came back and beat a steelers team that thought they had the game in the bag. we came within’ one score of sending the ravens home, whom i might add could not stop or recieving core. if we can at least slow down the run against our D, score some TD’s in the first two quaters, and move the ball on the ground. i can qucikly see why teams worry about us.

there i said something positive. back to negativenacy mode: boop!

The peanut gallery has spoken!!!

by gatesoftds on Oct 11, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

negative nancy mode? that’s awesome mate.

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by Joe Medina on Oct 11, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Denver's D 'just good enough'

Morons. Focus on your damn selves. Your team is pretty terrible. I think KC has a chance to leapfrog you guys this season.

by ELGee on Oct 12, 2009 12:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You need to lay off of the marijuana.

I hear it’s not good for your short-term memory.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t remember hearing anything like that… at least not recently.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 12, 2009 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

rec'd

by CoastalBronco on Oct 12, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do Charger fans go to Donkey blogs and talk crap?

Let’s all pause for a prayer… Denver finishes 5-11, Amen.

by Mad_Villain on Oct 12, 2009 12:13 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Just a reminder

Denver and their explosive offense started 2008 4-1, which the Chargers started 2-3.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 12, 2009 2:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

we had no d

and shanny was sared against u guys

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by j-man on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lets be clear about one thing...

San Diego has no business worrying about what the Broncos are doing (save for the game this week), until they take care of Themselves. If they play the way most of us believe they are capable of, they will be fine. They can win enough to make the playoffs, be it as a Division winner or a WC. We have no control over Denver except for 2 weeks of the year.
Until we start playing with the discipline and emotion that teams like Denver are, it won’t make a bit of difference if Denver ends up 5-11 or 16-0.
I’ve defended Turner and Smith almost unwaveringly. That being said, our next coach NEEDS TO BE an intense, emotional guy. I want a Tomlin or (hate to say it) McDaniel. I’m not calling for anyone to go now, but Eventually, a coaching change may necessitate a GM change (as AJ’s hand picked guy will have been unsuccessfull, he will have to answer for it with his job). The Right coach most likely won’t want to cede personnel control to Smith.
I’ve lauded Smith’s drafts (Jackson in the 2nd, a gutsy pick of Cromartie in the 1st), but it’s clear our lines have been neglected in favor of skill positions.
If the Chargers don’t perform better (execution of plays, game planning, motivation), they don’t need to scoreboard watch, they can set their Tivos to watch the playoffs while they sit on the beach.

by Hoot1969 on Oct 12, 2009 6:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think he's neglected the lines.

He didn’t draft a lineman in ‘08, but that’s because there had been an unbelievable run on OTs, and we picked 28th. But in ‘09, he took 3 with his first 5 picks. He just hasn’t hit on success on the lines the way he has with the position players.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 12, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oops. Didn’t draft a lineman in ’08 until the 7th. Whatever.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 12, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There was a good Tackle available in the 1st in '09

Baltimore took him, after we picked English.

by Hoot1969 on Oct 12, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

But our tackles aren’t the problem (and our LBs would be a problem if we had injuries to Lights and Applewhite without a first-round pick in the mix). I’m telling you, man, the solution to the OL is on the roster. Hell, at least 80% of it will be on the field next week. Unless there’s some injury to 68 or 73 that we don’t know enough to consider. And even then, it’s not their fault for using a 3rd (team 2nd) and a 4th on inside guys rather than focusing on the tackles with more expensive picks, unless they knew something we didn’t (and still don’t) about McNeill and his back issues. Clary is seriously underrated, and nobody knows this better than the guy who drafted him. No, he’s not a superstud, but if you need a pass rusher with your 1st and you get no 2nd, you can’t go upgrading where you’ve got a guy.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 12, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Also, we’ve got two backup OTs. And Manumaleuna. If OT is the problem, the solution is somewhere else. Maybe a 2010 first-rounder, if MM continues to slide. But good rookie OTs are mostly plug-and-play, so they’re right to think about next year next year.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 12, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah. I agree that we should focus on ourselves 15 weeks out of the 17 of the regular season.

Focus on improving ourselves.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even with Jamal

The raiders ran the ball down out throat. Face it, this front office has had two off seasons since this brand of charger defense has reared it’s ugly head since the afc championship game and nothing has been done except a coaching change and he dosent play anymore. Some of the optimism on this blog is myopic.

by RamCharger on Oct 12, 2009 7:51 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

your comment has the sting of truth

I’m relatively confident McDaniels will be able to game plan well for Rivera. If Denver’s D can slow Rivers and Co. the way they’ve done Palmer, Romo, and Brady, it may be a long Monday evening for SD.

by CoastalBronco on Oct 12, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

One difference is we have better WRs than those teams. And we have Gates.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

no doubt

those are very big differences.

by CoastalBronco on Oct 12, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha pun intended I imagine!

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even with the truth you speak

We’ve started off slow every year Norv has coached this team, as much as i hate it we have a team that finishes the season strong, I don’t expect this season to be much different, our defense isn’t strong but like what was stated earlier in this post all of our opponents fear us we almost came back from 35-7 in what basically was 15 minutes of quality football from this team. Until we are completely out of the playoff picture will i not have the optimism that this team can make the playoffs. We still are the reigning AFC west champions and as long as we play to our capability that a lot of people on this blog see there is no reason we can’t win the AFC west again.

by Dude52089 on Oct 12, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Mia Culpa

While I may take credit that the Chargers would find very tough if Jamal went down; I have to suck it up and eat crow in the Denver Broncos. I had pegged them dropping into KC/Oakland zone of things with raiders rising a bit…..so not happening that way.

Denver is has the record and Mike Nolan defense looks a lot better than Shawn’s mohawk. Their offense is still nothing to look at and their record may fall, but Josh has bought himself some Mangini time (in his tour with the Jets that is). Oakland well…is still cursed, KC looks to be near edge like last year. KC just needs to do some work on their karma, maybe some of Mark Grace slumpbusting (if you don’t know, best don’t ask)

Shawn and the defense getting their feeling hurt, I am sympathize; but if I was GM or the coach your head would still be ringing about your sloppy tackling and poor positioning…the man might not be in the locker room, but certainly has the power to kick you out of it so dial back the ego and get it done next week. In sports, getting a win is like going to a catholic confessional..you will be absolved

by bo_shilo on Oct 12, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

One of the reasons I say smoke and mirrors

is because the Broncos had numerous defensive breakdowns. The problem was that the Patriots failed to exploit any of them, largely because Brady was very inaccurate. He missed open receivers numerous times, most likely because he’s still working his way back from missing a whole year. If you switch out Brady for Rivers, the Pats win, because Philip wouldn’t have missed that many open receivers, especially a wide-open Randy Moss in the end zone.

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs

This is very true

I was extremely upset at Brady. One of my hopes for the game is that one of the elite QBs would carve up Denver’s D and an elite QB would have. The way Brady has been playing this year he doesn’t deserve to be in the great Brady-Manning debate anymore (unless you’re talking about best QB of 00s instead of best QB in 2009 like I am). Its Manning, Brees, and Brady has to get mixed in with all the other top QBs (and truthfully I’m not sure he can hang right now with Rivers, Big Ben or Eli).

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does anyone else not see that as a huge compliment? “Denver’s D would be ripped up if they were facing an elite QB who was having a good day!” If that’s the only thing that’s going to keep your team from victory, you could easily win 10 games.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 12, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess you could have interpreted it that way

However, you just needed a QB you could hit Randy Moss when he was wide open and the had the DB beat and it would have probably put the Broncos down enough to lose the game. And then the miscommunication on the pass to Welker was so un-Brady-like. It would have changed the game.

I guess the real hidden compliment is that the Denver run defense was so good that it forces the other team to have a high functioning passing game to beat you. Most teams don’t have that and yesterday the Patriots didn’t either. The Chargers have it, but they’ll to play D as good as the Patriots did to make it count.

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Chargers offense doesn't show up until the 2nd half

And Denver hasn’t given up any points in the 2nd half since week 1, when it gave up a TD with 40 seconds to go. It will be a very interesting match up.

For reference, Brady’s first half: 14 of 18, 152 yards, 2 TDs, 130 rating; Brady’s second half: 5 of 14, 63 yards, no TDs, 50 rating.

by CoastalBronco on Oct 12, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

PR17 is undefeated against Denver in his career (minus Hochuli)

Something to keep in mind also.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's one way to look at it

The other way is that Denver’s D is more vulnerable in the first half so the Chargers can overcome their first half offensive issues. And in the second half the Chargers offense is so good that they’ll still be able to overcome Denver playing better.

It’s the whole unstoppable force vs. immovable object.

In reality, neither is the case. 2nd half performance doesn’t correlate with future 2nd half performance as well as entire game performance does. So the argument is really kind of pointless. Not quite the red herring of bringing up QB record (minus referee performance) as a counterargument, but close.

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

I'm not really arguing anything

as much as pointing out interesting tendencies. Both SD and Denver have finished strong in many of their games this year, so that should make for an interesting match up, particularly in the second half.

Having said that, I disagree on a point you make: I do think past past 2nd half performance is a predictor of future second half performance, because it’s indicative of teams that are good at making adjustments.

Not sure what’s up with the QB record/referee allusion, unless you’re referring to Brady’s stat splits. I listed them to dispel the illusion that Brady was having a terrible game. He was pretty darn good in the second half until the loss of Light and Denver adjustments slowed him down.

As far as the game goes, I think SD is in trouble, and more because of coaching than personnel. I think McD will out-gameplan Rivera and Nolan will out-gameplan Norv, neither of which appears to be that tall of an order lately. Rivers will need multiple jaw-dropping drives to keep it close (it’s difficult to out-gameplan player excellence). Rivers may have enough magic to pull off a win (I’ll never count him out until he doesn’t have any more opportunities with the ball), but I doubt it.

by CoastalBronco on Oct 12, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just goes to show you

Something can be something (like 2nd half performance not having as high of a correlation as entire game performance on future 2nd half performance) and someone can think something it isn’t true.

Where do you stand on the Earth. Round or flat?

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

never mind

your bitterness is showing through. Any reasonable person would recognize that oft repeated past performance leads one to expect similar results in the future. The question is causation of past performance, and whether said causation is reasonably expected during the next event.

Where do you stand on LT? Stuffed at the line or break one between the tackles?

by CoastalBronco on Oct 12, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wonko stated a fact. You disagreed with that fact. I don’t think bitterness has anything to do with it.

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by Richard Wade on Oct 12, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Wonko is capable of bitterness.

In fact, I don’t think he’s human. I think he’s a sentient artificial intelligence that lives on the internet.

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 12, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought that to

Except one time he mentioned that he was driving somewhere and listening to the radio. Perhaps he was just covering up the real story though.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 13, 2009 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's possible

that he was in the car’s computer at the time. Maybe he wanted to experience driving.

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 13, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's not denying it....

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 13, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brady may not have been his sharpest, but some of that may have been due to the "smoke and mirrors" defense throwing him off his game.

I don’t think SD’s OL will hold up as well as NE’s did, and for Rivers to have considerably more pressure than Brady did. Also, numerous Denver miscues kept the game closer than it probably should’ve been. Denver has improved every week. If that continues this week, and there’s no reason to think it won’t, SD is going to have a tough time of it.

by CoastalBronco on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rivers also has been used to this make shift line since Week 1

He then went out and threw for a career high against Baltimore’s daunted Defense.

Rivers will get hit but he also survives with this line and still puts up numbers, I don’t expect anything less.

by Dude52089 on Oct 12, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Our line has actually been doing a pretty decent job of protecting PR17

I’d bet that the Chargers will put up more points on the Broncos than any other team has been able to do so far, its just a matter of if our defense can make the Bronco’s put us less, which starts with stopping the running game. Our roles are kind of reversed from last season, we have the high powered offense with the shaky defense now.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've watched four of the Pats' five games this season.

Brady has been shaky in every single one of them, even the games they won. He’s consistently missing open receivers. His timing just isn’t there. At least, not yet.

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 12, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

It was kind of surprising how well the Patriots' line held up

Considering that McDaniels should know almost every protection package they use.

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I expected a lot more pressure. The Broncos don’t blitz much, so that has something to do with it. 2nd half defensive adjustments seemed to help.

by CoastalBronco on Oct 12, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And taking out Matt Light seemed to help a lot

Pats got real conservative after that. It probably helped Den get the sack-fumble too.

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

by CoastalBronco on Oct 12, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pats' line is a shadow of its former self.

That’s what happens when guys grow old together.

by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

must win game

I only saw half of the cowboys and patriot games against the broncos. Denver didn’t look great. They looked good but not great. But, their players seemed to be in the right positions and seemed to know their assignments. I hope that the chargers have worked out the kinks. They haven’t played a good game all year IMO. The defense gets run over, can’t tackle, playing soft off the receivers etc. But, the offense also starts slow and puts extra pressure on the defense. I also read an article that said the chargers are a big play team. They rely on getting a big play to score. They are not a team, at least so far, that can drive the ball down the field and eat up the clock. TOP plays a part, especially at the end of the game when the defense is tired. Being able to score quickly is a good thing, but you also have to be able to conrol the clock.

by irishlad on Oct 12, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

oh

irish i did not it was college football in the pros u just have to win and that it

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Oct 12, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Let's Get Real

You need at least 30 Players & Coaches that are a mixture of 9’s and 10’s to compete as a superbowl team. The Chargers are nowhere close to those numbers. What Charger defenders start on a winning team? The Chargers are full of 6-8’s, coaching included. There’s no cream to rise to the top. We need to cleanhouse. Don’t listen to the excuses, there shouldn’t be any.

by gabino on Oct 12, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Can I see your grading system for 9's and 10's vs 6-8's

You could be on to something. If we could just show the GM your top notch analysis of player performance it would really go a long way towards helping sort out some teams’ player personnel issues.

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

9s and 10s and 6s and 8s? Are we grading the looks of women?

Talk about subjective.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey don't be mean

You’ll scare him away. We need to know these full-proof rankings. Its f*&#ing important, man.

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd totally do Phillip Rivers. He's a 10.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does that make Whitehurst an 11?

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by John Gennaro on Oct 12, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, that depends...

are you talking Whitehurst with a beard? Because then he is an 11, W/O a beard, mor like a 9.78966

A much needed bye week; and two whole weeks to focus the inner hatred of UW even moreso than normal.

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by CaDuck on Oct 12, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

in that case i'd give PR a studly 9

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by tonik on Oct 12, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jamal Williams is one ugly guy.

He’s like a 2.

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jammer has to be near Jamal looks-wise

Except I bet QJ looks better with his shirt off…

Okay, enough of that.

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by Wonko on Oct 12, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jammer looks like Greg Oden. Seriously. Look into it some time.

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by John Gennaro on Oct 12, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

greg oden looks like he's 38

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mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery
Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me
Battle-scarred shogun, explosion when my pen hits
tremendous, ultra-violet shine blind forensics

by tonik on Oct 12, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This kind of asinine comment is what gives blogs a bad name.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Oct 12, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Grading Women

Did you miss the Pittsburgh game? I think grading them based on your women scale is totally appropriate.

by gabino on Oct 12, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey give credit where credit is due; it's your world, I'm just livin' in it.

A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's the scale

This is for one position, Defensive End.

Luis Castillo 7.5

Jared Allen 10
Justin Tuck 10
Julius Peppers 10
Richard Seymour 9.5
John Abraham 9.5
Mario Williams 9.5
Dwight Freeney 9.5
Osi Umenyiora 9
Patrick Kerney 9

Get the picture

by gabino on Oct 12, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You do know you're comparing players that play different positions, right?

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 12, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope those are all DEs

A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean DEs in a 3-4 and a 4-3.

Different things are expected of players in each scheme.

Greg Maddux for manager.

by Zach (maestro876) on Oct 12, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

sarcasm

A kid who has a unicorn ranch in his room cannot call other people weird. Yes, we know about "Rancho Unicorno."

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 12, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i laughed

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 13, 2009 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Castillo

Doesn’t matter if you put Castillo in a 3-4 or 4-3, he doesn’t measure up to the upper echelon of defensive ends. Period.

by gabino on Oct 13, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Those are two completely different positions and you’re grading them on the same scale. Castillo is one of the best 3-4 DEs in football when he’s healthy, which he has been this year. He can’t win the games alone though. The fact that he’s being effective while being double-teamed shows how good he really is.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Oct 13, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs