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What If?

So it’s the Cardinals and Steelers.  After watching yesterday’s Championship Games I realized a few things.  The Bolts would have beaten the Ravens and earned a second trip to the Super Bowl.  I really would have liked our chances, especially here at the Q.  The Ravens looked terrible.  While that Ravens D is crazy good, the Chargers could have managed a few points.  And a few points is all that it would have taken against Flaco and company.  Can you imagine getting to play the Cardinals in the Super Bowl?  I like those odds.  If only things went differently back in Pittsburgh.

After contemplating all these “What if’s?” , I’m really depressed about the Chargers loss to the Steelers.  Last week it didn’t really bother me that much.  Then I started thinking, and this loss troubles me all most as any Charger loss ever.  The 2008 Chargers are good, but they are far from great.  This year a few things went our way and GOOD could have been enough.  When was the last time a great team won it all?  The last several Super Bowl winners have been good, but nothing more.  Today GOOD + LUCK = LOMBARDI TROPHY.  Thinking back here is how I rank the Chargers all time post season departures.

1.      2006.  That was our year.  I’ve never seen so many mistakes in one game that meant so much.  When there are six fumbles in a game and your team recovers zero, it’s just not your day.

2.      1994. Second best.  It was projected to be the biggest blowout in Super Bowl history.  It almost was.  The Chargers and the rest of the world just watched as the 49ers put on an offensive clinic.  I knew we didn’t stand a chance, but losing the Super Bowl is still a real downer.

3.      Last week.  Pittsburgh got all the breaks.  Now the Steelers are only one win away.

Poll
What Charger playoff loss upsets you the most? (I’m too young to remember those Air Coryell days.)
2008: Steelers. It was as if a divine power was at work. But I guess not.
4 votes
2007: Patriots. Ah what could have been such Sweet Revenge.
10 votes
2006: Patriots. Best Charger team ever? Stoooopid Mistakes.
42 votes
2004: Jets. Freakin’ Nate Kaeding.
5 votes
1995: Colts. Barely a wildcard team. Where were we really going?
1 votes
1994: 49ers. Super Bolts! So close, yet so far from Champions.
2 votes
1992: Dolphins. Ross and Humphries. New found saviors are no match for Marino.
0 votes
1979,’80,’81,’82: Air Coryell. Oilers, Raiders, Dolphins and of course the Freezer Bowl.
7 votes

71 votes | Poll has closed

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I went Jets

I think that one still stings more than ’06.

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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play

by Axion on Jan 19, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

2004

We didn’t have the bye that year, so a win would have meant that the Chargers were 2 still wins from the Super Bowl and would have been playing those 2 games on the road. In 2006, beating the Patriots would have meant a home AFC Championship game.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Jan 19, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, you're right

I must have mistyped my feelings. ;)

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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play

by Axion on Jan 19, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's personal

That year sticks out more to me because that’s the first year I started really paying attention and being a fan.

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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play

by Axion on Jan 19, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just the way we lost too

I mean a forty yarder, come on!

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Jan 19, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And it could have been shorter

If Marty had just trusted Brees even a smidgen.

1-10-NYJ 22 (6:26) L.Tomlinson right tackle to NYJ 23 for -1 yards (S.Ellis).
2-11-NYJ 23 (5:43) L.Tomlinson up the middle to NYJ 23 for no gain (J.Ferguson, J.Vilma).
3-11-NYJ 23 (4:59) L.Tomlinson right end to NYJ 22 for 1 yard (R.Tongue).
4-10-NYJ 22 (4:23) N.Kaeding 40 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-D.Binn, Holder-M.Scifres.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Jan 19, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the many reasons I don’t miss Schottenheimer.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

word

Jamal Williams - "Game Over"

by soulSD on Jan 20, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh god

i had forgotten that detail, too.

fresh, fresh pain.

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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play

by Axion on Jan 19, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As someone who watched Brees (live) come up clutch multiple times against the biggest opponents (Michigan, Ohio State) in college. I don’t tend to forget these minor details. IOW, you’re welcome ;)

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Jan 19, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah 2004 really stung the most...

it was the first year we had made the playoff since 94, the chargers were favored at home and Marty just kept running the ball up the middle as soon as they got even a sniff of FG range and introduced us to what it is like to have Marty as your coach in the playoffs.

by Steve (Grey Suit) on Jan 19, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I always felt that Marty pulled a team toward average whether they were above or below talent-wise.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As in, he would take a bad team and make them good, or take a great team and make them good.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My sentiments exactly

Although it would have been impossible to get Norv as the OC. He was the 49ers OC at the time and teams don’t let their coaches interview for lateral moves.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Jan 19, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

that most people who take the time to form a more than casual opinion will agree with this.

(rec)

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Uncommon Sportsman :: Absurdity in play

by Axion on Jan 20, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What about AJ?

Just curious about the other side of this coin. All I have is my impression of him, which is that he is too controlling. But I don’t have many facts to support that position. I was wondering what the BFTB hive mind thinks.

by CoastalBronco on Jan 20, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind A.J.

I think he got pumped up a little high after the extraordinary handling of the Eli Manning thing (even though I’d rather have Brees and 2004 top 5 caliber pick instead of Rivers, I can’t argue with getting that extra 1st rounder that became Shawne Merriman). He’s competent enough to build a playoff caliber football and that’s saying something in the NFL. I like that for all his ego issues, once the season starts, he’s pretty hands-off unless the team needs something to help them get playoff bound (i.e. Chambers and McCardell trades). I figure that he’s good about handling the cap considering that we never have cap issues (although part of that is due to Cap Genious Ed McGuire and part due to the team’s financial constraints). I like that he signs backups who may become starters to smaller deals before they get to free agency in order to keep the Chargers deep on the cheap (As much as we criticize Wilhelm, Tucker, Cooper or Hart, I’d rather have them then some late round/undrafted rookie or free agent cast-off because we had to let them walk due to price). I’m also pretty sure that the hard line he takes with player contracts helps in some matters, but it sure seems like sometimes he’s just being an ass (see: Antonio Gates contract situation).

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Jan 20, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I pretty much trust him

I haven’t yet seen a definitive miss from AJ. Buster Davis is working hard at becoming the exception. I generally like accumulating and using draft picks, rather than packaging them to move up. See the countless articles every year detailing the teams that have had the most picks in the last five years; it’s routinely the Patriots, Colts, Steelers, etc. The good teams. It must be more than coincidence. But the moves up for Weddle and Hester, I think, have proven to be good and could still prove to be great.

Unless and until he proves us wrong, I trust that AJ knows a lot more about personnel than I do and than a fair number of other GMs do. And he knows that he knows, and will be very happy to tell you that he knows, allegedly. I’m indifferent on the ego, only really have hearsay evidence to its existence and massiveness. If making shrewd business moves is a sign of ego, then I love my big-headed GM.

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Jan 20, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't forget

Smith took over that draft when Butler died shortly beforehand. And, at least he traded down to select Davis (Although, we could have had Polamalu if we didn’t trade down. And for more news, the pick after Davis was: Nmandi Asomugha. And shortly thereafter went Charles Tillman and Rashean Mathis). That draft also produced Wilhelm and Scifres. Also, Kiel and Florence weren’t too bad. Oh, and his undrafted free agents that year: Antonio Gates, Stephen Cooper, Kassim Osgood, Jacques Cesaire and Kris Dielman. Nice save, A.J.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann). 6-J.Cutler pouts ob to DEN 25 for 11 yards.

by Wonko on Jan 20, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Dont Get Me Wrong I Think AJ is the Best GM in Football

I was just listing the only major bust he has had in the draft. Also yes he took ever for Butler but he was the assistent GM at the time and im sure he was just as informed and exposed to the draft talent as he has been any other year.

by Steve (Grey Suit) on Jan 20, 2009 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mostly

I think Wonko is right on the money. I like Rivers better than Brees; but there is room for disagreement there. AJs ego does occasionally get in the way; but not often enough for me to want to get rid of him. What I did like was mid-season he came out and admitted that he had made mistakes, that is a very good sign. He has more hits than misses; if he overestimated some of the talent, so did a whole bunch of people.

He has his pros and cons, but overall when they are talking about the best drafting GMs his name comes up. Time will tell if we overpaid for Weddle and Hester, but even at that this team has turned from a laughing stock into a perennial contender, granted John Butler gave him a good start on the process. In some ways he has become a victim of his own success; there is so much talent that the Chargers end up having to let some of it go free agency. Also he has such a reputation for being a shrewd trader I think potential deal makers demand more because they don’t want to end up being taken.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Jan 20, 2009 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

2007 sucks, too. It probably cost us a Super Bowl, but the injuries aren’t as maddening as the stupid shit that lost us the 2006 game.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

And 2008 was worse than 2004 because I hate Pittsburgh way more than I dislike New York.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2006 & 1979

In 1979 the Chargers absolutely flattened the Steeler team that went on to win it all in the regular season. We got sideswiped by the Oilers without Earl Campbell or Dan Pastorini; Fouts threw four picks as the Oilers were stealing signs. That was our best shot from the Coryell days. 2006 was an awesome team and it just slipped away in that NE game. Eternal optimist that I am; I like how next year looks too.

"Football is a physical sport, sometimes you have a disagreement on what's going on, and you have a discussion about it." Kris Dielman

by Brian (DaBolts) on Jan 19, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

2006

That team was the best team we had, in my opinion. We, really, were the best team in football that year. And to lose to the Patriots at home? God I hate them… That Jet loss stung quite a bit as well.

by Schwing on Jan 19, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Jets loss sucked, but I don’t think we go on to win the Super Bowl if Kaeding doesn’t miss that field goal, so it’s easier to let go.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2006

If any single one of about 14 flukes/mistakes/dumbass plays went the other way, Chargers win. Worst of which was Florence’s headbutt penalty.

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Jan 19, 2009 1:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Don’t forget McCree.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There are soooo many

bonehead plays in that game. Seriously, any one of them doesn’t happen and it’s a Bolts win. And I absolutely believe LT would have run through the Colts’ D that year, even if they did get better in the playoffs. That was this team’s best chance, and the biggest heartbreak, to date. We’ll see what happens going forward with a more passing offense in the post-LT or declining-LT period. It does seem like the window is closing, but a re-signed Rivers and Merriman will determine the next five years of this team. It’d be nice to have a healthy run at the playoffs again.

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Jan 19, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2006 was the last time they were healthy in the playoffs. If the team had been healthy in 2007, I think there’s no question they win the Super Bowl.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I finally brought myself to re-watch this Steelers loss.

And am more upset about it now too. During that game, it never really felt close. Rewatching it, it seems much more a matter of just a few plays. The flukes (Rivers pick, Weddle helmet-muff) you can’t help, and combined with the Jammer injury killed the defense in the 4th. The PI call in the endzone, that I had a problem with originally but didn’t think made the game, was very impactful. If not called, and the Chargers make a stop, give the Steelers maybe a FG and it’s only 24-10. Chargers did answer that one with a TD of their own, and it’s only 24-17. I don’t know what happens after that, but maybe the D plays a little more inspired (finds some reserve energy despite being worn totally down) if only down one score and doesn’t allow Parker to run wild.

Definitely “what-ifs” and not trying to whine sour grapes here but the game seems much closer on rewatch. Steelers took advantage as good teams do. If any of the 5-win teams were going to get 6, I’d want it to be Pittsburgh instead of Dallas or San Fran.

But go Cardinals!

by Lenny Suckerpunch on Jan 19, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Go Cardinals, indeed.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jan 19, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted 2007

I wrote 2006 off as a learning experience… they were still so inexperienced in the playoffs. They played tough in 2007, and I so wanted them to exorcise their demons against the undefeated Pats for a change to beat Eli in the Super Bowl. I really thought the stars were aligning last year.

by CoastalBronco on Jan 19, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I vote 2006

Absurd loss to a hated team in a game we dominated when we were the best team in the league, as others have said above. However, that was also Tomlinson’s year. He shredded the Patriots in that game, and I have to think he would have killed the Colts as well. If the Chargers had just won that game, suddenly Tomlinson is a clutch leader, possibly with a ring, and we’re spared the ridiculous narratives that have emerged about LT during the past two postseasons.

by benrb on Jan 19, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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