Ted Cottrell is Fired
It was a stormy period for the Chargers defense on Ted Cottrell's watch. He came in the wake of Marty Schottenheimer's firing in 2007 and the word of the day was continuity. San Diego had lost their talented defensive coordinator Wade Phillips to the Cowboys as a head coach. Cottrell brought experience with the 3-4 defense, and actually worked with Wade in Buffalo. The first ten games of the 2007 season were rocky and the defense looked passive and was giving up more yardage and points than fans were used to. AJ stuck with Cottrell and the second half of the season seemed to bear him out as the Bolts closed the year on a 8-1 tear producing more turnovers than anyone in the league.
The 2008 preseason had hardly begun when Charger linebacker Shawne Merriman began showing signs that his knee was not fully healed. The defense looked bland during the preseason, but usually teams only show vanilla defensive packages. In the first game against the Panthers the Chargers were giving up yards against the run and particularly to tight ends in passing. Rivers looked to have pulled out a comeback victory, but Jake Delhomme marched down the field against a prevent defense. The final play was a last second reception by the Tight End. After the game Outside linebacker Merriman finally decided to get the knee surgery that he had been avoiding. His absence left the Chargers bringing much less pressure against opposing quarterbacks; and much more time for them to find an open receiver. The second game against Denver was worse; the Chargers fell to 0-2 as the Denver offense carved up a secondary that simply melted down. After that the Chargers came back with more 'man to man' coverage against the Jets and closed out a convincing game. The defense was better against the Dolphins, but was unable to keep the Dolphins running and short passing attack from running out the clock.
Against New England the Bolts seemed to rediscover a little swagger; there were big hits and more press defense. They put pressure on the QB and it resulted in an interception, another that was called an incomplete. But after that success Cottrell mysteriously returned to the zone; and Bills quarterback Trent Edwards feasted with an 84% completion rate. The Bolts went on to play New Orleans in London; and while there was less zone, there was not any pressure and again the defense was disected by a quality quarterback with too much time to make decisions. As Cottrell makes his exit the Chargers are ranked dead last in the league in pass defense.
If a move was to be made; this was absolutely the time to do it, it gives the new controller time to work with the defense in this two week bye period. Ron Rivera came to the Chargers after serving as the Defensive Coordinator for the Chicago Bears from 2004-2006. The Bears that year was known for an aggressive defense that caused numerous turnovers. Rivera apparently had differences with Lovie Smith. He came to the Chargers to get more experience with the 3-4; hoping to go after a head coaching position. As the linebacker coach he has worked with the inside linebackers; that would include Dobbins, Cooper and Matt Wilhelm. Recent quotes from defensive players seemed to indicate a frustration with the defensive playcalling, this is a move that I would expect to be viewed positively by the players. The blitzes under Cottrell seemed predictable and the defense too passive; that was not the hallmark of the Bears during Rivera's tenure.
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Looks like
this was Norv’s Idea, although who knows.
“Probably the things that we have needed to improve in are the same things that affected us in Week 2 and so on,” Turner said. “The same things have been an issue throughout the first eight games, at different times.”
Hmmm sounds like the same thing I’ve been saying.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 28, 2008 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But
How is Rivera going to fix that? His LBs are a part of the problem.
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by Wonko on Oct 28, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They
can only blitz, stunt, cover etc when the coach tells them too. Our players aren’t THIS bad. The application of our talent has been terrible, and thats why hes gone.
We're gonna dazzle you with our super play.
by soulSD on Oct 28, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
The application of our talent has been fine. Our talent is lacking. Their mistakes were covered up last year by opponents treating Cromartie like he was chopped liver. Plus, there is no reason to believe that Rivera can apply our “talent” better than Cottrell. This is a lateral move at best.
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by Wonko on Oct 28, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree
However, you do seem to be in the extreme minority.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 28, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least it isn't a mutual admiration society.
And I think I’m in the minority because there is a serious case of groupthink. The only reason people really wanted to see Cottrell go is because other people wanted to see him go. There’s been some BS thrown around about “soft zones” and yet he gets fired after a game where there were very little soft zones. He got accused of not blitzing enough, but he blitzing more than any team in the league. He gets accused of not being creative enough, but yet Shaun Phillips talked today about how Cottrell was always using him different ways and not always having him rush the passer. I’m not in the minority because I’m contrary or I’m stupid. I’m not even pro-Cottrell. He probably wasn’t the greatest coaching choice to begin with. But I’m not going to buy into “change for the sake of change” or that Rivera is this hidden gem who was waiting to make an impact until he got promoted. I can only go by what I see, and I saw players screwing up and coaches doing okay. And if Rivera can only help now that he has been promoted and Cottrell has to have his reputation smeared because his coaching staff and players weren’t stepping up, then that sucks.
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by Wonko on Oct 28, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His reputation was already that of a mediocre DC
His defenses in New York and Minnesota had similar struggles.
I’m looking at the numbers here. From 2006-2008 the only major difference this season is Merriman. Obviously there have been other changes (Florence, Mcree, among a few others) but mostly it is the same core group of guys.
The numbers dont’ lie.
2006 (Wade Phillips)
YPG 301.6 (10th)
Rush YPG 100.8 (7th)
Pass YPG 200.8 (13th)
Sacks 61 (1st)
2007 (Ted Cottrell w/ Merriman)
YPG 320.3 (14th)
Rush YPG 107.0 (16th)
Pass YPG 213.3 (14th)
Sacks 42 (5th)
2008 (Ted Cottrell w/o Merriman)
YPG 371.6 (28th)
Rush YPG 106.5 (16th)
Pass YPG 265.1 (32nd)
Sacks 17 (9th)
The Defense has clearly regressed since Ted Cottrell took over with miminum changes in players. To me, this is clear and convincing evidence it is not the players, but the coach.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 28, 2008 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes the numbers can lie.
Don’t just use numbers to prove your point, they will most likely end up biased. For example, those numbers don’t tell me about personnel changes (Donnie Edwards, Marlon McCree, Drayton Florence). They don’t tell me about aging. They don’t tell me about strength of the opposing offense. They don’t tell me about how quickly the offense moves the ball, which could have an impact on the defense. They don’t tell me if the team is having trouble on 3rd downs (small samples) while succeeding on 1st and 2nd down (large samples), which if they did would indicate a possible regression to the mean coming. They don’t tell me about fumble recovery ratio, which if skewed from 50% could also signal a future regression to the mean. They don’t tell me about quarterback hurries, which could signal a future increase in sacks. They don’t tell me about injuries (other than Merriman).
There are a lot of “lies” in these numbers. Which is exactly why I think it’s possible that firing Cottrell may be a hasty, not well thought out decision. Then again, football is an emotional game, and maybe this is what lights a fire under the players. And if you want to argue that then so be it, but it’s pure speculation. But saying that firing Ted Cottrell makes sense because an incomplete set of data supports the case shouldn’t sway anyone.
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by Wonko on Oct 28, 2008 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I guess the only thing to do is sit back, relax, watch some football, and reserve judgement after the next 8 games.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 28, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea
And if I can be convinced by the end of the year that Rivera is better than Cottrell I’ll owe a Petco Park beer, which will probably cost me around $20.
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Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
by Wonko on Oct 28, 2008 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On second thought
That is a little unfair to me. Afterall, we do play Kansas Sh***y twice in the second half.
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by Wonko on Oct 28, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't you can be convinced that the sky is blue and grass is green
if you didn’t want to be.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 29, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
We play more of our games at home in the second half. On the other hand, starting your job halfway into the season with only 8 games to prove yourself is tough business.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 29, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
The whole “starting your job halfway into the season with only 8 games to prove yourself is tough business” is another reason I can’t get too excited about the change.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
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by Wonko on Oct 29, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
we’ll see in the second half of the season. SOMETHING had to be done, i think the right choice was made.
We're gonna dazzle you with our super play.
by soulSD on Oct 28, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real something will be getting the guys on D to play above their talent level
That would be something to get excited about. Our team firing their hitting coach defensive coordinator just doesn’t do it for me.
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Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
by Wonko on Oct 28, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Transcript from the Press Conference
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 28, 2008 10:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick Canepa
Puts it well here and gives some good points.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 29, 2008 12:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Believe in now?
Believe in Ron Rivera.
"I just know that I can't get big, I can't eat whatever I want to. I have to eat healthy, I have to stay right, I have to stay involved and ... I have to be here at practice because you know what? I can play pretty quick."
by TheGreatDane17 on Nov 2, 2008 1:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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